Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

[Mojo Amok]

Here is the Beal article from Candace Buckner. Just shocking.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/07/14/bradley-beal-can-sign-an-extension-with-wizards-soon-if-he-doesnt-beware/?utm_term=.9bb4ac5c03c5

It's unfortunate you guys couldn't have gained some clarity on the Beal situation pre-draft.

There were a number of more concrete opportunities to maximize Beal's trade value earlier; waiting has only complicated any trade talks.

This is a scenario that's been forecast for at least a year now...if not longer. The day Wall went down with that injury, efforts to get max value for Beal should have been in the works.

*Yawns*

That's just an exploratory article that Candace is contractually obligated to write. It isn't even intended to be conclusive.

Every paragraph of note is built on an 'if' or 'could' premise and features the same speculation quotes that we've been seeing for ages. As we saw over the last few weeks, speculation ain't worth much in this league.

[Jamaaliver]

...As we saw over the last few weeks, speculation ain't worth much in this league.

Neither is loyalty, my friend.


Cash in your trade chip and move on to the next phase of Wizards basketball -- before it's too late.



I implore you.

[JWizmentality]

...As we saw over the last few weeks, speculation ain't worth much in this league.

Neither is loyalty, my friend.


Cash in your trade chip and move on to the next phase of Wizards basketball -- before it's too late.



I implore you.

No, we don't need to.

[nate33]

What do you find shocking about the article? There's nothing that Beal says in it that he hasn't said before.

Yeah. What was shocking?

The only thing I found shocking was the ridiculous statement that Miami and Minnesota have the assets to trade for Beal. I see three teams that could conceivably entice me to trade Beal: OKC, New Orleans, and Denver, and I'm not so sure about Denver.

I wonder if Indiana's an option. They acquired Brogdon and Lamb this offseason and still have Oladipo expected back around the all-star break. Brogdon's real good, but he's not in Beal's class. They'd probably love to have a Dipo/Beal backcourt - which would make Brogdon available. If Goga looks like really good as a rookie, maybe we consider Brogdon and Goga plus ? for Beal - around mid-season or next offseason? Or maybe they make Dipo available?

No way. Brodgon is a nice player, but I really think he will stop looking so nice once the reality of that $20M a year contract kicks in. I don't think Brogdon is much of a trade chip at all.

[Rafael122]

...As we saw over the last few weeks, speculation ain't worth much in this league.

Neither is loyalty, my friend.


Cash in your trade chip and move on to the next phase of Wizards basketball -- before it's too late.



I implore you.

Here's the thing, who are we trading him to? New Orleans and OKC arguably have the biggest assets in the league. OKC doesn't have the players, and they may not have the draft picks when the smoke clears. Their most valuable picks will be their own, and I doubt Presti will part with them. Boston didn't trade Tatum for Kawhi or George, they're not going to trade him for Beal. New Orleans has both maybe, but is Griffin going to pull the trigger?

This is their war chest:

2020: Own 1st rounder, 2nd round draft pick from Washington, 2nd round draft pick from Milwaukee
2021: Own 1st rounder, 2nd round draft pick from Washington, 2nd round draft pick from Cleveland, Lakers pick protected 8-30
2022: Own 1st rounder, Unprotected 1st rounder from the Lakers
2023: Own 1st rounder, swap rights w/Lakers, 2nd round draft pick from Washington
2024: Own 1st rounder, Lakers 1st rounder in '24 or '25

On paper, it looks like they got a lot of picks, but it really doesn't come into fruition until 3 seasons from now. At the very least, I would start with getting those second round picks back. I'd ask for Ball, Ingram, and the '22 1st rounder from the Lakers, and I'd probably ask for 1 of New Orleans' 1st rounders unprotected.

I would put Miami on this list, but they traded pretty much every pick from now until like 2026.

[nate33]

There were a number of more concrete opportunities to maximize Beal's trade value earlier; waiting has only complicated any trade talks.

Like what?

The only offer that was remotely interesting was that it was rumored that LAC contacted WAS regarding Beal in an attempt to get a second star on board to entice Kawhi. But the offers were reportedly MUCH less interesting than what they offered for Paul George because it hadn't yet reached the point where Kawhi told LAC to get Paul George or I'm not coming.

If the Wizards could have gotten the Paul George package, minus a pick swap or two, I would have been in favor of it.

At any rate, the Beal situation will become much more clear on July 26th when we are eligible to offer an extension. If Beal signs the extension, then problem solved. If he doesn't sign it, I would then start shopping him with a bit more vigor. I would not feel any pressure to trade him just yet though. I don't think his trade value will decline until sometime after next summer.

[Illmatic12]

Here is the Beal article from Candace Buckner. Just shocking.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/07/14/bradley-beal-can-sign-an-extension-with-wizards-soon-if-he-doesnt-beware/?utm_term=.9bb4ac5c03c5

It's unfortunate you guys couldn't have gained some clarity on the Beal situation pre-draft.

There were a number of more concrete opportunities to maximize Beal's trade value earlier; waiting has only complicated any trade talks.

This is a scenario that's been forecast for at least a year now...if not longer. The day Wall went down with that injury, efforts to get max value for Beal should have been in the works.

*Yawns*

That's just an exploratory article that Candace is contractually obligated to write. It isn't even intended to be conclusive.

Every paragraph of note is built on an 'if' or 'could' premise and features the same speculation quotes that we've been seeing for ages. As we saw over the last few weeks, speculation ain't worth much in this league.

Speculation drives clicks for WaPo, though.

There’s no way to get anyone nationally interested in a Wizards-related story unless you put some Bradley Beal speculation in there. Candace is basically doing what her editors want her to do by repackaging the same story every few weeks, which they released on a Sun night to see if it’ll get picked up by the national news cycle

[Jamaaliver]

...As we saw over the last few weeks, speculation ain't worth much in this league.

Neither is loyalty, my friend.


Cash in your trade chip and move on to the next phase of Wizards basketball -- before it's too late.



I implore you.

Here's the thing, who are we trading him to?

And this is where things get fuzzy. A month ago, there were numerous options. Now...less so.

Spoiler:

• A draft night trade with Boston for #14, #20, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart and the 2020 Grizzlies pick would have been a decent place to start bidding.
  
• Or a trade to NYK for #3, Dennis Smith Jr., Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson + future pick swaps could have been attractive.

But Beal's trade value will slowly diminish from this point. You can get a ton more for him with multiple years left under contract.


But the first and hardest decision to is to acknowledge that it's to your franchise's benefit to do so.

[Ruzious]

Yeah. What was shocking?

The only thing I found shocking was the ridiculous statement that Miami and Minnesota have the assets to trade for Beal. I see three teams that could conceivably entice me to trade Beal: OKC, New Orleans, and Denver, and I'm not so sure about Denver.

I wonder if Indiana's an option. They acquired Brogdon and Lamb this offseason and still have Oladipo expected back around the all-star break. Brogdon's real good, but he's not in Beal's class. They'd probably love to have a Dipo/Beal backcourt - which would make Brogdon available. If Goga looks like really good as a rookie, maybe we consider Brogdon and Goga plus ? for Beal - around mid-season or next offseason? Or maybe they make Dipo available?

No way. Brodgon is a nice player, but I really think he will stop looking so nice once the reality of that $20M a year contract kicks in. I don't think Brogdon is much of a trade chip at all.

Fair enough - though if he continues to do what he did last season, he'll be well worth his contract. But he has been somewhat injury prone in the NBA.

[gambitx777]

It's likely that none of that was on the table. Look half the goal is to get a star to stay in your city. If Beal wants to stay, then keep him ,half the work if done for you. If Beal wanted out he would have been moved. It's not and unclear situation at all Beal is telling them he wants to be here. It's not better for the team to trade a for sure star who is willing to be here for a bunch of chance at guys who might be nothing. If Beal wanted out he would be out. He is being included in the planning and he is clearly involved. Look all around the league for failed rebuilds that got the team only to another reload and another rebuild. Yes Beal has value and yes maybe you could pull more or less out of him by pushing for a trade rather than waiting but it's not worth it because you have a star who wants to be here. You build around him and if it doesn't work you move on.

Neither is loyalty, my friend.


Cash in your trade chip and move on to the next phase of Wizards basketball -- before it's too late.



I implore you.

Here's the thing, who are we trading him to?

And this is where things get fuzzy. A month ago, there were numerous options. Now...less so.

Spoiler:

• A draft night trade with Boston for #14, #20, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart and the 2020 Grizzlies pick would have been a decent place to start bidding.
  
• Or a trade to NYK for #3, Dennis Smith Jr., Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson + future pick swaps could have been attractive.

But Beal's trade value will slowly diminish from this point. You can get a ton more for him with multiple years left under contract.


But the first and hardest decision to is to acknowledge that it's to your franchise's benefit to do so.

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[closg00]

Great news!! We're ranked 27th in ESPN's 1st Power Ranking
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27189056/nba-power-rankings-league-best-teams-now

[MagicBagley18]

I’ve been following all the stories this summer and beal’s contract situation and As a fan of the league First and foremost I think beal will stay and I don’t think you guys should be in a rush to trade him yet like many here have stated. Even if he turns down the extension you still have until the deadline and that’s when I would start taking serious offers if the offers that come in this summer don’t impress.

After dec 15th all the players who are signed can be used in trades as many of you know here. I wouldn’t go into next summer with it because then he can use the “has no interest there long term” crap like we have seen before. Always a chance a team takes a chance but as we have seen with a kawhi rental- even a ring didn’t keep him and PG re-signed and demanded out after an extension in okc.

There will be a lot of interest...Denver Miami pelicans etc and Like you all said celtics won’t offer Tatum but I could see a

Brown/ smart/Williams/Langford Memphis pick + bucks pick or combination of that being offered.

Either way you’ll get a decent return

[nate33]

Great news!! We're ranked 27th in ESPN's 1st Power Ranking
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27189056/nba-power-rankings-league-best-teams-now

I think they have the bottom 6 teams about right. I think it's possible, and perhaps likely, that the Wizards finish ahead of Phoenix and Memphis in the standings because the competition in the East is so much worse, but in the abstract, Phoenix and Memphis are still better than us.

[gambitx777]

I mean with Beal, a rookie of the year worthy effort by rui, a big jump from brown and Bryant could get us to the 22-19

Great news!! We're ranked 27th in ESPN's 1st Power Ranking
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27189056/nba-power-rankings-league-best-teams-now

I think they have the bottom 6 teams about right. I think it's possible, and perhaps likely, that the Wizards finish ahead of Phoenix and Memphis in the standings because the competition in the East is so much worse, but in the abstract, Phoenix and Memphis are still better than us.

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[TGW]

I’ve been following all the stories this summer and beal’s contract situation and As a fan of the league First and foremost I think beal will stay and I don’t think you guys should be in a rush to trade him yet like many here have stated. Even if he turns down the extension you still have until the deadline and that’s when I would start taking serious offers if the offers that come in this summer don’t impress.

After dec 15th all the players who are signed can be used in trades as many of you know here. I wouldn’t go into next summer with it because then he can use the “has no interest there long term” crap like we have seen before. Always a chance a team takes a chance but as we have seen with a kawhi rental- even a ring didn’t keep him and PG re-signed and demanded out after an extension in okc.

There will be a lot of interest...Denver Miami pelicans etc and Like you all said celtics won’t offer Tatum but I could see a

Brown/ smart/Williams/Langford Memphis pick + bucks pick or combination of that being offered.

Either way you’ll get a decent return

The Celtics chances already came and went. They may have had a decent offer before the draft. Not now. And no, there's no interest in Brown as a centerpiece.

[MagicBagley18]

I’ve been following all the stories this summer and beal’s contract situation and As a fan of the league First and foremost I think beal will stay and I don’t think you guys should be in a rush to trade him yet like many here have stated. Even if he turns down the extension you still have until the deadline and that’s when I would start taking serious offers if the offers that come in this summer don’t impress.

After dec 15th all the players who are signed can be used in trades as many of you know here. I wouldn’t go into next summer with it because then he can use the “has no interest there long term” crap like we have seen before. Always a chance a team takes a chance but as we have seen with a kawhi rental- even a ring didn’t keep him and PG re-signed and demanded out after an extension in okc.

There will be a lot of interest...Denver Miami pelicans etc and Like you all said celtics won’t offer Tatum but I could see a

Brown/ smart/Williams/Langford Memphis pick + bucks pick or combination of that being offered.

Either way you’ll get a decent return

The Celtics chances already came and went. They may have had a decent offer before the draft. Not now. And no, there's no interest in Brown as a centerpiece.

Never really asked if there was but thanks mr Sheppard. Not sure why the anger. Was more of me saying ignore the noise that Beal is gone and he still is probable to re-sign and you get to keep a really really good player and if not you’ll get a nice return for him bc there will be a lot of interest and it’s better than losing an asset for nothing like we lot kyrie.

[nate33]

I mean with Beal, a rookie of the year worthy effort by rui, a big jump from brown and Bryant could get us to the 22-19

Great news!! We're ranked 27th in ESPN's 1st Power Ranking
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27189056/nba-power-rankings-league-best-teams-now

I think they have the bottom 6 teams about right. I think it's possible, and perhaps likely, that the Wizards finish ahead of Phoenix and Memphis in the standings because the competition in the East is so much worse, but in the abstract, Phoenix and Memphis are still better than us.

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Rookies are rarely impactful in terms of actual wins and losses. Rui would need to be as impactful as guys like Doncic, Trey Young, Josh Jackson or Jason Tatum in their rookie year to really move the needle much. I'm talking Rookie of the Year caliber play. While that's conceivably possible, I'm not going to count on it.

I count 1 player who is well above average at his position: Beal.
I count 1 player who is about average at his position: Bryant.

Everyone else is below average at their position. The other "starters" should probably be backups, and many of the backups should be 11th or 12th men.

[Shoe]

I’ve been following all the stories this summer and beal’s contract situation and As a fan of the league First and foremost I think beal will stay and I don’t think you guys should be in a rush to trade him yet like many here have stated. Even if he turns down the extension you still have until the deadline and that’s when I would start taking serious offers if the offers that come in this summer don’t impress.

After dec 15th all the players who are signed can be used in trades as many of you know here. I wouldn’t go into next summer with it because then he can use the “has no interest there long term” crap like we have seen before. Always a chance a team takes a chance but as we have seen with a kawhi rental- even a ring didn’t keep him and PG re-signed and demanded out after an extension in okc.

There will be a lot of interest...Denver Miami pelicans etc and Like you all said celtics won’t offer Tatum but I could see a

Brown/ smart/Williams/Langford Memphis pick + bucks pick or combination of that being offered.

Either way you’ll get a decent return

The Celtics chances already came and went. They may have had a decent offer before the draft. Not now. And no, there's no interest in Brown as a centerpiece.

Wizards fans are tempting fate when we reject Beal trade proposals with indignation. It's still possible the Wiz make a terrible trade. Logically I think going after Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram on the final year of their rookie contract doesn't make sense, but I wouldn't put it past any FO to think they could speed up the rebuild by pairing one of these players with Rui.

[MagicBagley18]

I’ve been following all the stories this summer and beal’s contract situation and As a fan of the league First and foremost I think beal will stay and I don’t think you guys should be in a rush to trade him yet like many here have stated. Even if he turns down the extension you still have until the deadline and that’s when I would start taking serious offers if the offers that come in this summer don’t impress.

After dec 15th all the players who are signed can be used in trades as many of you know here. I wouldn’t go into next summer with it because then he can use the “has no interest there long term” crap like we have seen before. Always a chance a team takes a chance but as we have seen with a kawhi rental- even a ring didn’t keep him and PG re-signed and demanded out after an extension in okc.

There will be a lot of interest...Denver Miami pelicans etc and Like you all said celtics won’t offer Tatum but I could see a

Brown/ smart/Williams/Langford Memphis pick + bucks pick or combination of that being offered.

Either way you’ll get a decent return

The Celtics chances already came and went. They may have had a decent offer before the draft. Not now. And no, there's no interest in Brown as a centerpiece.

Wizards fans are tempting fate when we reject Beal trade proposals with indignation. It's still possible the Wiz make a terrible trade. Logically I think going after Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram on the final year of their rookie contract doesn't make sense, but I wouldn't put it past any FO to think they could speed up the rebuild by pairing one of these players with Rui.

Yea and quite frankly I don’t think brown can be the centerpiece either but you made a great point. Again I didn’t come in here to talk **** I just like getting other fans perspective and since he’s logically the next potential star available wanted to read some fans opinions.

Leonsis is on record being against rebuilding correct? Does you guys think he means that with convinction?

[gambitx777]

I don't think he's against a rebuild as much as he is against tanking. He wants to try and win. He doesn't want to just toss 3-5 seasons down the drain on purpose.

The Celtics chances already came and went. They may have had a decent offer before the draft. Not now. And no, there's no interest in Brown as a centerpiece.

Wizards fans are tempting fate when we reject Beal trade proposals with indignation. It's still possible the Wiz make a terrible trade. Logically I think going after Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram on the final year of their rookie contract doesn't make sense, but I wouldn't put it past any FO to think they could speed up the rebuild by pairing one of these players with Rui.

Yea and quite frankly I don’t think brown can be the centerpiece either but you made a great point. Again I didn’t come in here to talk **** I just like getting other fans perspective and since he’s logically the next potential star available wanted to read some fans opinions.

Leonsis is on record being against rebuilding correct? Does you guys think he means that with convinction?

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