Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

[Ducklett]

Really OT

But I’m the current GM of the Magic for the RealGM A Team and so far traded for Jrue Holiday and Lonnie Walker.

Just wanted to share the trades I made to see if I did good or not.

1st trade

Jrue Holiday

for

Mohammed Bamba
Evan Fournier
‘20 FRP (lottery protected)

2nd trade

Lonnie Walker

For

Khem Birch
‘20 SRP
‘21 SRP

And I’m in current negotiations for CJ McCollum based around AG/Ross.

If you can get Lonnie Walker for that, I would. The Jrue and McCollum trades would be very, very horrible.

Horrible for who?

The Lonnie Walker trade makes complete sense and reminds me of the JJ for Harris trade. Trading things we don't really need (Birch) or value much (SRPs) for a guy we could shape and mold into a player for our system. I legitimately think if Lonnie Walker was on our team, he would compete and maybe even beat Evan for the starting SG role in the next 2 years (assuming we were to keep Evan long term). Guy is young and does a lot of the right things and Pop seems to love him.

What I don't understand is trading for Jrue Holiday, who's efficiency and stats are nearly identical to DJ's, but he shoots literally 10 percentage points worse from 3 (Jrue 32.% vs DJ 42.1%), and CJ McCollum, who gets nearly the same amount of points per FGA that AG does and you are trading them, but does literally nothing on the defensive end that AG does. Not to mention you are sacrificing the chemistry and cohesiveness that our front office just spent all free agency talking about being the important thing this off season and blowing up both our depth and future for two guys who are not even close to bringing us a championship.

[fendilim]

LOL

[pepe1991]

D'angleo was traded away so next Steph Curry, but one with 40 inch vertical can take his place. ( Lonzo)
Matter of fact greatest PG ever , Magic Johnson, called him future Hall of famer and next great Laker.... 3 years later Steph with 40 inch vertical can't really jump that high at all, has fundamentally broken jumpshot and is fundamentally broken as well, since he is good to go for 40 games and gets hurt every year.

That's why everything you think you know about Fultz as player , and what comes from college days is simply outdated and not worth talking about.

Even if front office is 120% sure he will recoever, there is no proof whatsoever that he will actually ever be good player. Putting all eggs in one basket is always dangerous road to take.

There are no guarantees in life, simply calculated bets.

I challenge someone to find a draft profile rating that shows prospect Russell as higher rated than prospect Fultz. I don’t think it exists.

And jah Okafor was new Duncan and scouts were 100% sure that Derick WIlliams is can't miss prospect.
Also Wiggins was new Lebron/Kobe and WCS was allegedly best defender among Cs in last decade.

It simply doesn't matter what scouts think in a second player is drafted.

[Instincts]

D'angleo was traded away so next Steph Curry, but one with 40 inch vertical can take his place. ( Lonzo)
Matter of fact greatest PG ever , Magic Johnson, called him future Hall of famer and next great Laker.... 3 years later Steph with 40 inch vertical can't really jump that high at all, has fundamentally broken jumpshot and is fundamentally broken as well, since he is good to go for 40 games and gets hurt every year.

That's why everything you think you know about Fultz as player , and what comes from college days is simply outdated and not worth talking about.

Even if front office is 120% sure he will recoever, there is no proof whatsoever that he will actually ever be good player. Putting all eggs in one basket is always dangerous road to take.

There are no guarantees in life, simply calculated bets.

I challenge someone to find a draft profile rating that shows prospect Russell as higher rated than prospect Fultz. I don’t think it exists.

And jah Okafor was new Duncan and scouts were 100% sure that Derick WIlliams is can't miss prospect.
Also Wiggins was new Lebron/Kobe and WCS was allegedly best defender among Cs in last decade.

It simply doesn't matter what scouts think in a second player is drafted.

Not sure of your point here?

Are you saying that Fultz’s traits and skills are irrelevant because it is post draft? I hope not, because Fultz’s potential is currently front and center. You may disagree with others on his potential, but to say it is a non factor is incorrect.

[pepe1991]

There are no guarantees in life, simply calculated bets.

I challenge someone to find a draft profile rating that shows prospect Russell as higher rated than prospect Fultz. I don’t think it exists.

And jah Okafor was new Duncan and scouts were 100% sure that Derick WIlliams is can't miss prospect.
Also Wiggins was new Lebron/Kobe and WCS was allegedly best defender among Cs in last decade.

It simply doesn't matter what scouts think in a second player is drafted.

Not sure of your point here?

Are you saying that Fultz’s traits and skills are irrelevant because it is post draft? I hope not, because Fultz’s potential is currently front and center. You may disagree with others on his potential, but to say it is a non factor is incorrect.

You base your present expetations/ opinion on him based on things you saw from him 2 and half years ago, where he played against "players" that probably didn't pick up basket ball after they left college.
My point is that Fultz ceiling after two and half years of "situation" ( condition, injury, mental issue,whatever it is ) is no more ceiling of Markelle Fultz, former 1# pick from 2 and half years ago.

Fultz can consider himself lucky if he becomes nba level starter and with funcional shooting stroke. Without it he will be like Payton and MCW, just bounce around once his "mystique" fades. And it already faded since he was already traded for salary dump.

If you expect from him that he will be your allstar, oh boy...

[Instincts]

And jah Okafor was new Duncan and scouts were 100% sure that Derick WIlliams is can't miss prospect.
Also Wiggins was new Lebron/Kobe and WCS was allegedly best defender among Cs in last decade.

It simply doesn't matter what scouts think in a second player is drafted.

Not sure of your point here?

Are you saying that Fultz’s traits and skills are irrelevant because it is post draft? I hope not, because Fultz’s potential is currently front and center. You may disagree with others on his potential, but to say it is a non factor is incorrect.

You base your present expetations/ opinion on him based on things you saw from him 2 and half years ago, where he played against "players" that probably didn't pick up basket ball after they left college.
My point is that Fultz ceiling after two and half years of "situation" ( condition, injury, mental issue,whatever it is ) is no more ceiling of Markelle Fultz, former 1# pick from 2 and half years ago.

Fultz can consider himself lucky if he becomes nba level starter and with funcional shooting stroke. Without it he will be like Payton and MCW, just bounce around once his "mystique" fades. And it already faded since he was already traded for salary dump.

If you expect from him that he will be your allstar, oh boy...

No, no, I simply stated Fultz was a superior draft prospect to DRussell.

I would not say I expect him to be an all-star, but I do believe, as does apparently the FO that there is a chance he is an all-star. What is that chance? Lets say for conversation sake he has a 20% chance to regain his preinjury form. That would equate to 20% chance at a #1 overall pick.

What was the New York Knicks chance as the worst record team in the league to land the #1 pick in the 2019 draft, it was 14%.

So we have paid for a chance at a #1 lottery pick and are currently giving that chance the best possible scenario for success. Considering the price we paid from that chance, I believe it is a sound risk/reward bet considering, yes, the upside potential of Fultz based on his traits, skills, and measurables.

[drsd]

Now that the Sixers has three Max players, we can see where "The Process" led to. Apparently it includes paying 10 guys the min to be able to set a roster.

[OrlandoNed]

Now that the Sixers has three Max players, we can see where "The Process" led to. Apparently it includes paying 10 guys the min to be able to set a roster.

Oh no, the Sixers are doomed to being a guaranteed top 2 seed in their conference with no clear front runner in the league to deal with.

Stars matter, get over it. A great core of 2 stars and 3 or 4 high quality guys and 3 or 4 decent role players are all you need to be a contender in this league. The rest of the guys who fill out the roster of a contender are largely unimportant and are only there to eat up regular season minutes.

[tiderulz]

Now that the Sixers has three Max players, we can see where "The Process" led to. Apparently it includes paying 10 guys the min to be able to set a roster.

dont forget Horford at $28mil/yr also

[pepe1991]

Not sure of your point here?

Are you saying that Fultz’s traits and skills are irrelevant because it is post draft? I hope not, because Fultz’s potential is currently front and center. You may disagree with others on his potential, but to say it is a non factor is incorrect.

You base your present expetations/ opinion on him based on things you saw from him 2 and half years ago, where he played against "players" that probably didn't pick up basket ball after they left college.
My point is that Fultz ceiling after two and half years of "situation" ( condition, injury, mental issue,whatever it is ) is no more ceiling of Markelle Fultz, former 1# pick from 2 and half years ago.

Fultz can consider himself lucky if he becomes nba level starter and with funcional shooting stroke. Without it he will be like Payton and MCW, just bounce around once his "mystique" fades. And it already faded since he was already traded for salary dump.

If you expect from him that he will be your allstar, oh boy...

No, no, I simply stated Fultz was a superior draft prospect to DRussell.

I would not say I expect him to be an all-star, but I do believe, as does apparently the FO that there is a chance he is an all-star. What is that chance? Lets say for conversation sake he has a 20% chance to regain his preinjury form. That would equate to 20% chance at a #1 overall pick.

What was the New York Knicks chance as the worst record team in the league to land the #1 pick in the 2019 draft, it was 14%.

So we have paid for a chance at a #1 lottery pick and are currently giving that chance the best possible scenario for success. Considering the price we paid from that chance, I believe it is a sound risk/reward bet considering, yes, the upside potential of Fultz based on his traits, skills, and measurables.

All i'm saying is that pre-draft evaluation really means nothing.
Was he better prospect than D'angelo ? Maybe ?! I mean without hindsight 30 players were drafted 2011 before Bojan Bogdanovic and Jimmy Butler, 15 of them are no longer in nba . Among them Ian Vesely, Tristan Thompson, Derrick Williams, Alec Burke, Brandon Knight and Jimmer were lottery picks.

At some point somebody payed in 6 figures actually belived that Biyombo is lottery pick

As for ceiling, Fultz needs to learn how to shoot agian in order to even be playable. That's bet i'm not willing to take in league where guards tend to shoot over 70% of all their shots from outside paint ( well, if you are not Ben Simmons.....)

[ezzzp]

Now that the Sixers has three Max players, we can see where "The Process" led to. Apparently it includes paying 10 guys the min to be able to set a roster.

Oh no, the Sixers are doomed to being a guaranteed top 2 seed in their conference with no clear front runner in the league to deal with.

Stars matter, get over it. A great core of 2 stars and 3 or 4 high quality guys and 3 or 4 decent role players are all you need to be a contender in this league. The rest of the guys who fill out the roster of a contender are largely unimportant and are only there to eat up regular season minutes.

Guaranteed? There is no such thing in NBA.

Embiid’s injury history, Ben Simmons jumper, Tobias’ defense, Horford’s age and a cap locked into luxury tax for next 3-4 years are all factors that have to be accounted for...and that’s just what’s apparent now.

Last summer, on paper GSW were guaranteed by many to be NBA champs who would only be challenged by Boston who was going to be next dynasty.

[Nyce_1]

Now that the Sixers has three Max players, we can see where "The Process" led to. Apparently it includes paying 10 guys the min to be able to set a roster.

Hinkie didn't die for Colangelo and Brand to misuse the trove of assets he acquired.

[bargnanimvp]

Some things never change around here, one of those is pepe always arguing against a popular player and picking random players to intensely hate and try and discredit in every thread

[pepe1991]

Some things never change around here, one of those is pepe always arguing against a popular player and picking random players to intensely hate and try and discredit in every thread

Or... i posted about Fultz way before he was part of Magic problem ,and 20 min into summer league ( in 2017 ) he become nothing but probelm

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Post#192 » by pepe1991 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 3:47 pm

For whatever reason, Fultz is asked to shoot with his left hand during 76ers practice, and now drama about him is picking up to another level.

Post#1123 » by pepe1991 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:12 am

I'm so out of Fultz wagon. Guy is terrible. it's not just shooting ,he really doesn't do anything well.

During 2018 , on thread called " take chance on Markelle Fultz" you pretty much posted that there is legit chance that he is bust.
IT was year ago. Guy pretty much didn't play since. So what changed? Subjectivity since a trade kicked in?

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1767326&p=70179413&hilit=Fultz#p70179413

there is thread, most people :
a) didn't want him
b) didn't wan't to give anything valuable for him
c) thought situation is crazy and mess

btw shutout to NotACat who predicted trade

Also what makes Fultz "popular " player ? Shouldn't you first, you know, actually play before being "Popular" ?

[drsd]

Oh no, the Sixers are doomed to being a guaranteed repeat luxury tax payer.

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[thelead]

Now that the Sixers has three Max players, we can see where "The Process" led to. Apparently it includes paying 10 guys the min to be able to set a roster.

Hinkie didn't die for Colangelo and Brand to misuse the trove of assets he acquired.

Quoted to emphasize the truth. Hinkie, who acquired the stars, was forced out by the nba and replaced by an idiot who trash talked amd attacked his own players on social media

Then, that guy was replaced by a new GM who has no idea what he’s doing and basically traded all of Hinkie’s assets for overpriced surrounding pieces to the stars Hinkie drafted.

Don’t play dumb. ‘The process’ was terminated by the NBA before the plan could be fully realized.

It’s the equivalent of developing a new controversial surgical procedure to cure a disease and then getting fired half way through the first trial surgery, being replaced by two incompetent doctors that do not follow your procedure and butcher the job. Is it fair to blame the original doctor for his ‘failed idea’?

We’ll never know if Hinkie would have stayed put, drafted Tatum, then used the pick Colangelo traded for Fultz on another quality player. The truth is, the process was shut down before it had a chance to be fully realized.

[Knightro]

Oh no, the Sixers are doomed to being a guaranteed repeat luxury tax payer.

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So what?

That's the price you pay for having a title contender.

I can understand not wanting to pay the luxury tax if you have a middling playoff team like the Magic. But if you have a team capable of winning the NBA championship?

Pay up or sell the team.

[Showbiz Bear]

I hate the offseason

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[magicman112]

Oh no, the Sixers are doomed to being a guaranteed repeat luxury tax payer.

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So what?

That's the price you pay for having a title contender.

I can understand not wanting to pay the luxury tax if you have a middling playoff team like the Magic. But if you have a team capable of winning the NBA championship?

Pay up or sell the team.

Yes, the Magic paid the tax when they were contending at the time we went to the Finals in 09.

[Nyce_1]

Now that the Sixers has three Max players, we can see where "The Process" led to. Apparently it includes paying 10 guys the min to be able to set a roster.

Hinkie didn't die for Colangelo and Brand to misuse the trove of assets he acquired.

Quoted to emphasize the truth. Hinkie, who acquired the stars, was forced out by the nba and replaced by an idiot who trash talked amd attacked his own players on social media

Then, that guy was replaced by a new GM who has no idea what he’s doing and basically traded all of Hinkie’s assets for overpriced surrounding pieces to the stars Hinkie drafted.

Don’t play dumb. ‘The process’ was terminated by the NBA before the plan could be fully realized.

It’s the equivalent of developing a new controversial surgical procedure to cure a disease and then getting fired half way through the first trial surgery, being replaced by two incompetent doctors that do not follow your procedure and butcher the job. Is it fair to blame the original doctor for his ‘failed idea’?

We’ll never know if Hinkie would have stayed put, drafted Tatum, then used the pick Colangelo traded for Fultz on another quality player. The truth is, the process was shut down before it had a chance to be fully realized.

Perfectly said.