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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1001 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:53 pm

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Fadeaway_J wrote:The idea of another random game gives me a headache based on how the last one went.

I've been wanting to get back to the three degree games for a while. It's been more than two years since the last one, so a number of new avenues have opened up. If we get a full 16 I'd go 80s to now though.


Well this random game would have a little bit more breathing room with six teams instead of four teams like the random franchises draft and I think the draft order will be more balanced as well with each team having a high and low pick-one group gets 1,4,6 etc while other group gets 2,3,5 etc

I did notice that it has been a couple years since the three degrees game and I’m sure there are some new avenues as well but since we already did 80s to now I thought changing the ERA. I don’t know I like the premise but I want a new twist to make it a little different than what we did in the past.

I had suggested a twist where all your seasons have to be in the same conference (East or West). That would introduce an additional strategic element at least.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1002 » by ChicagoSportsFan21 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:22 pm

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Fadeaway_J wrote:The idea of another random game gives me a headache based on how the last one went.

I've been wanting to get back to the three degree games for a while. It's been more than two years since the last one, so a number of new avenues have opened up. If we get a full 16 I'd go 80s to now though.


Well this random game would have a little bit more breathing room with six teams instead of four teams like the random franchises draft and I think the draft order will be more balanced as well with each team having a high and low pick-one group gets 1,4,6 etc while other group gets 2,3,5 etc

I did notice that it has been a couple years since the three degrees game and I’m sure there are some new avenues as well but since we already did 80s to now I thought changing the ERA. I don’t know I like the premise but I want a new twist to make it a little different than what we did in the past.

I had suggested a twist where all your seasons have to be in the same conference (East or West). That would introduce an additional strategic element at least.


Yeah I saw that as well. Not sure if I’m a fan since I think
that may be a little too restrictive and predictable as well where a team is going IMO.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1003 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:23 pm

I'm good with Stair Step divisions. I'm ready to defend my 2 time Stair Step championship belt
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Post#1004 » by Dr Positivity » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:05 pm

Stair Step FGAs - every pick has to be within 3 FGAs of your previous pick
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Post#1005 » by Blazers-1977 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:21 am

What about a choose your own decade draft where every player and season you select for that player must be in same decade

So if you choose 1991 Jordan with your first pick you can only choose 90s players for the rest of draft
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Post#1006 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:13 pm

1 MVP draft, otherwise unrestricted

Simple draft but has some strategy of when to dip into such a deep MVP pool. Especially if there's < 16 players
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Post#1007 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:25 am

Dr Positivity wrote:1 MVP draft, otherwise unrestricted

Simple draft but has some strategy of when to dip into such a deep MVP pool. Especially if there's < 16 players

What period?
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Post#1008 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:34 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:1 MVP draft, otherwise unrestricted

Simple draft but has some strategy of when to dip into such a deep MVP pool. Especially if there's < 16 players

What period?


1960+, the concept being that there is enough MVPs that it is not obvious to take one in the first round
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1009 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:47 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:1 MVP draft, otherwise unrestricted

Simple draft but has some strategy of when to dip into such a deep MVP pool. Especially if there's < 16 players

What period?


1960+, the concept being that there is enough MVPs that it is not obvious to take one in the first round

I'm not a fan of going back that far with the overall pool. We say it's 60s to now, but then the older players will get dinged because they didn't shoot threes. I wouldn't mind going 90s to now except with no era restriction on the MVPs.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1010 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:54 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:What period?


1960+, the concept being that there is enough MVPs that it is not obvious to take one in the first round

I'm not a fan of going back that far with the overall pool. We say it's 60s to now, but then the older players will get dinged because they didn't shoot threes. I wouldn't mind going 90s to now except with no era restriction on the MVPs.


1970s on would probably work, you only really lose prime Wilt and Oscar, but there's still like 20 guys Giannis level or better
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Post#1011 » by Laimbeer » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:20 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Stair Step FGAs - every pick has to be within 3 FGAs of your previous pick


This is interesting. I think Mike and Shaq are undraftable at their peak, but that's ok. I wouldn't want the span greater than 3, it may even be a bit generous.
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Post#1012 » by Laimbeer » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:22 pm

Blazers-1977 wrote:What about a choose your own decade draft where every player and season you select for that player must be in same decade

So if you choose 1991 Jordan with your first pick you can only choose 90s players for the rest of draft


I like it, but there's generally a bias against older players and then we'd have the game evolution/shooting/spacing thing.

Maybe the game is played under the rules of the older team? Or we handicap it by giving more FGAs to older teams beyond the .85?
Comments to rationalize bad contracts -
1) It's less than the MLE
2) He can be traded later
3) It's only __% of the cap
4) The cap is going up
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Post#1013 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:44 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:Stair Step FGAs - every pick has to be within 3 FGAs of your previous pick


This is interesting. I think Mike and Shaq are undraftable at their peak, but that's ok. I wouldn't want the span greater than 3, it may even be a bit generous.


Include some rule where non all stars or bench players don't apply? Otherwise the need to either start or end with low FGA players dominates the strategy
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Post#1014 » by Laimbeer » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:57 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:Stair Step FGAs - every pick has to be within 3 FGAs of your previous pick


This is interesting. I think Mike and Shaq are undraftable at their peak, but that's ok. I wouldn't want the span greater than 3, it may even be a bit generous.


Include some rule where non all stars or bench players don't apply? Otherwise the need to either start or end with low FGA players dominates the strategy


I thought that was the point. Otherwise I could see this draft looking a lot like a normal draft - start with Batman and work your way down. There would be some twists, but I'm not sure there would be a lot.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1015 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:46 pm

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Dr Positivity wrote:
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This is interesting. I think Mike and Shaq are undraftable at their peak, but that's ok. I wouldn't want the span greater than 3, it may even be a bit generous.


Include some rule where non all stars or bench players don't apply? Otherwise the need to either start or end with low FGA players dominates the strategy


I thought that was the point. Otherwise I could see this draft looking a lot like a normal draft - start with Batman and work your way down. There would be some twists, but I'm not sure there would be a lot.


Isn't that the case with the bench players included as well though? MVP 1st round and going top down is obviously a better strategy than bottom up. I guess it's fine though cause the strategy is how fast you go down
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Post#1016 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:57 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Blazers-1977 wrote:What about a choose your own decade draft where every player and season you select for that player must be in same decade

So if you choose 1991 Jordan with your first pick you can only choose 90s players for the rest of draft


I like it, but there's generally a bias against older players and then we'd have the game evolution/shooting/spacing thing.

Maybe the game is played under the rules of the older team? Or we handicap it by giving more FGAs to older teams beyond the .85?

I would loosen up the restriction to say that all your players must be drafted within a 10-year period. So if you want 1991 Jordan, you can go as far back as 1981-82 or as far forward as 1999-00. That allows a wide enough variety of paths that we could just stick with 80s to now, rather than introducing special legislation to deal with the 60s and 70s players.
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Post#1017 » by Laimbeer » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:18 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Blazers-1977 wrote:What about a choose your own decade draft where every player and season you select for that player must be in same decade

So if you choose 1991 Jordan with your first pick you can only choose 90s players for the rest of draft


I like it, but there's generally a bias against older players and then we'd have the game evolution/shooting/spacing thing.

Maybe the game is played under the rules of the older team? Or we handicap it by giving more FGAs to older teams beyond the .85?

I would loosen up the restriction to say that all your players must be drafted within a 10-year period. So if you want 1991 Jordan, you can go as far back as 1981-82 or as far forward as 1999-00. That allows a wide enough variety of paths that we could just stick with 80s to now, rather than introducing special legislation to deal with the 60s and 70s players.


I like it, adds a layer of strategy.
Comments to rationalize bad contracts -
1) It's less than the MLE
2) He can be traded later
3) It's only __% of the cap
4) The cap is going up
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Post#1018 » by Blazers-1977 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:02 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Blazers-1977 wrote:What about a choose your own decade draft where every player and season you select for that player must be in same decade

So if you choose 1991 Jordan with your first pick you can only choose 90s players for the rest of draft


I like it, but there's generally a bias against older players and then we'd have the game evolution/shooting/spacing thing.

Maybe the game is played under the rules of the older team? Or we handicap it by giving more FGAs to older teams beyond the .85?

I would loosen up the restriction to say that all your players must be drafted within a 10-year period. So if you want 1991 Jordan, you can go as far back as 1981-82 or as far forward as 1999-00. That allows a wide enough variety of paths that we could just stick with 80s to now, rather than introducing special legislation to deal with the 60s and 70s players.



That's fair though wouldnt you say that would be a little too much. Maybe a total 15 seasons could be a good compromise
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Post#1019 » by Laimbeer » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:54 am

Blazers-1977 wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
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I like it, but there's generally a bias against older players and then we'd have the game evolution/shooting/spacing thing.

Maybe the game is played under the rules of the older team? Or we handicap it by giving more FGAs to older teams beyond the .85?

I would loosen up the restriction to say that all your players must be drafted within a 10-year period. So if you want 1991 Jordan, you can go as far back as 1981-82 or as far forward as 1999-00. That allows a wide enough variety of paths that we could just stick with 80s to now, rather than introducing special legislation to deal with the 60s and 70s players.



That's fair though wouldnt you say that would be a little too much. Maybe a total 15 seasons could be a good compromise


I think he's saying you get a ten year span. In the 1991 Jordan example you could go 1982-1991 OR 1991-2000.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1020 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:46 am

Laimbeer wrote:
Blazers-1977 wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:I would loosen up the restriction to say that all your players must be drafted within a 10-year period. So if you want 1991 Jordan, you can go as far back as 1981-82 or as far forward as 1999-00. That allows a wide enough variety of paths that we could just stick with 80s to now, rather than introducing special legislation to deal with the 60s and 70s players.



That's fair though wouldnt you say that would be a little too much. Maybe a total 15 seasons could be a good compromise


I think he's saying you get a ten year span. In the 1991 Jordan example you could go 1982-1991 OR 1991-2000.

Exactly. The 10 year period remains, it just depends on what starting point you choose.

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