Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[MiamiLoyal926]

Wade is done playing, thats been made abundantly clear. Stop forcing it.

You never stop forcing it when it comes to Wade!

[Beenie]

Yeah, that's not at all fair to Fiorentino, someone that everyone respects. In the Heat saying you are a hard worker is like saying you would crush your enemies and gnash them in your teeth. It's just dialect.

I'm admittedly not a fan of Fiorentino. For years he frustrated me with his platitudes that he would pass off as insights in his tv commentary. And I just found him to be cringy at times with his "D-Wade, Baby! Number one in excitement!" lines in the context of discussing numbers and percentages.

Quite frankly, I don't know anyone who liked his commentary and found anything he said to be illuminating. Not my cup of tea.

In terms of the his twitter spat, I stand by what I said. His argument was not an argument.

I quite enjoyed his commentary. Much better than listening to the opposition's biased guys.

My fandom goes back to the Dr Jack Ramsey era and view all of his successors to be woefully inadequate. That said, Fiorentino was especially bad, imo, more so than Ed Pinckney. Crotty is exposing just how bad Tony was merely by displaying basic competence.

All commentators are biased, it’s inherent to their job. I just appreciate when it’s balanced with some useful information and good timing when chiming in with that information. Fiorentino sucked at both.

[RexBoyWonder]

I stand by my original statement -

Our 2 picks back, no outgoing future picks, and they have to take Iggie to their board.


Take it or choke on Paul's contract OKC.

[dean456]

I really think a deal for Paul is essential in the acquisition of Bradley Beal, hopefully you get 2 picks and swing those immediately to Washington

Heat Get: Beal, and Paul
OKC Gets: Dragic, JJ, and Dion
Wizards Get: Winslow, KO, and 4 future 1st round picks from Miami

Deal reduces our cap by about 7 million for the upcoming season, and we are able to use our Elington trade exception for that, free us enough money to bring back Wade and give UD his final ride.

PG: Paul, Wade, Nunn
SG: Beal, Herro
SF: Buckets DJJ, Robinson
PF: Myles L, KZ, UD
C: Bam, Maten

Would be nice to Add somebody like Dwight Howard for the vet minimum to backup Bam off the bench

Run it back Dwade you aren't supposed to retire in the regular season, need that 4th ring

In that scenario I'd be really disappointed if we lost Winslow, Olynyk and 4 FRP's in an acquisition of Beal. Considering that was basically the cost for the Clippers to get PG which also allowed them to sign Kawhi. PG is also a better player than Beal.

I would prefer to to keep 2 picks even if it costed us Herro. We should save the other 2 FRP's to use to get off Paul's contract in 2021 if he decides he's going to opt in or to even potentially use them in a sign and trade scenario.

[RexBoyWonder]

Presti wanna get a pick back.

Presti gonna get this dick, black.

Lmao!

Presti wanna pick back?

How bout some nut sack?

OKC demand a pick back?!

Listen man, that's just whack,

We'll keep on moving, stack the deck,

Play it back, Presti on that crack,

Don't you lack, Herro on the attack,

He's our maniac, He'll eat you like a snack,

We'll send you jinxing Iggie, in his Pontiac,

He's on that powerpack,

Watchout OKC You better not slack.

[MiamiLoyal926]

I really think a deal for Paul is essential in the acquisition of Bradley Beal, hopefully you get 2 picks and swing those immediately to Washington

Heat Get: Beal, and Paul
OKC Gets: Dragic, JJ, and Dion
Wizards Get: Winslow, KO, and 4 future 1st round picks from Miami

Deal reduces our cap by about 7 million for the upcoming season, and we are able to use our Elington trade exception for that, free us enough money to bring back Wade and give UD his final ride.

PG: Paul, Wade, Nunn
SG: Beal, Herro
SF: Buckets DJJ, Robinson
PF: Myles L, KZ, UD
C: Bam, Maten

Would be nice to Add somebody like Dwight Howard for the vet minimum to backup Bam off the bench

Run it back Dwade you aren't supposed to retire in the regular season, need that 4th ring

In that scenario I'd be really disappointed if we lost Winslow, Olynyk and 4 FRP's in an acquisition of Beal. Considering that was basically the cost for the Clippers to get PG which also allowed them to sign Kawhi. PG is also a better player than Beal.

I would prefer to to keep 2 picks even if it costed us Herro. We should save the other 2 FRP's to use to get off Paul's contract in 2021 if he decides he's going to opt in or to even potentially use them in a sign and trade scenario.

Agreed. Winslow, KO and 4 firsts seems a bit much! PG13 also had some years left on his deal, so leverage was low on his and clippers end, while the clear desire to move now by PG was high.

For us, if that’s what Washington wants, then we wait until next summer when their leverage begins to escape them in our favor. The sting of Kawhi leaving will still he fresh in the eyes of the league and few will be willing to make a pitch for Beal if he says he wants Miami and we have the assets and cap to make it happen in free agency. I say we offer KO, Winslow and 2 picks now, and wait around until the finally feel that is the right price. Beals value will continue to decrease with each passing day.

[MiamiLoyal926]

If we do end up getting our 2 picks back from OKC, then whatever we do moving forward, none of them better include trading our 2022 pick!!! That pick is gold! That pick can also be Z.Wade if he decides for 2 years of college.... with that said, whatever year Zaire plans on entering the draft, we keep that pick. Anywhere from 2021-2024.

[batterybro42]

Wade is done playing, thats been made abundantly clear. Stop forcing it.

I really don't think it's been made 100% clear, it's been teased, and if we have a chance to win a ring I don't rule it out entirely

[batterybro42]

I really think a deal for Paul is essential in the acquisition of Bradley Beal, hopefully you get 2 picks and swing those immediately to Washington

Heat Get: Beal, and Paul
OKC Gets: Dragic, JJ, and Dion
Wizards Get: Winslow, KO, and 4 future 1st round picks from Miami

Deal reduces our cap by about 7 million for the upcoming season, and we are able to use our Elington trade exception for that, free us enough money to bring back Wade and give UD his final ride.

PG: Paul, Wade, Nunn
SG: Beal, Herro
SF: Buckets DJJ, Robinson
PF: Myles L, KZ, UD
C: Bam, Maten

Would be nice to Add somebody like Dwight Howard for the vet minimum to backup Bam off the bench

Run it back Dwade you aren't supposed to retire in the regular season, need that 4th ring

In that scenario I'd be really disappointed if we lost Winslow, Olynyk and 4 FRP's in an acquisition of Beal. Considering that was basically the cost for the Clippers to get PG which also allowed them to sign Kawhi. PG is also a better player than Beal.

I would prefer to to keep 2 picks even if it costed us Herro. We should save the other 2 FRP's to use to get off Paul's contract in 2021 if he decides he's going to opt in or to even potentially use them in a sign and trade scenario.

PG is the better player, but Beal is 3 years younger than him. You'd be trading for the rights to essentially lock down a perennial all star for his prime 26-32 years of age. It may be a big ask, but if you asked me at the start of the off-season if I could move 3 firsts, Hassan, Dragic, Dion, KO, JJ, Richardson, and Winslow for Beal, CP3, and Jimmy I would do it a moments notice no questions asked.

4 firsts is a huge haul for the Wizards, I'd like to see if we could keep Winslow, but really it's the only way we could make the numbers work and get both of them.

I would hope the discussion with the Wizards has been about what it would take to get Beal outside of Winslow, a filler. If we can combine our draft capital with what we get from OKC you do it. Even if what we get from OKC is one pick, if that pick is the difference go ahead and take on CP3.

[The Bunk]

restricted FA, he only leaves if they don't want him

Fun fact: Beal is younger than Buddy Hield.

Beal DOB: 6/28/93

Hield DOB: 12/17/92

Weird considering Beal has been in the league 4 years longer than Hield

When Buddy came into the league his birth year on everything was like 1994 or 1995. It was later revealed that he was much older.

[The Bunk]

Just saw someone comment '6th man of the year' on that Waiters post. He responded 'no sir'.

Well, I guess that's that lol.

Man, I can't stand him. Easily my least favorite Heat player of all time. Where does he get that entitlement from? Dude has been a bust/career bum aside from a single 41 game half season stretch.

I have no interest in watching him hog the ball and take away from Jimmy & Winslow. With the roster as presently constructed, he needs to be on that second unit where he can share ball handling duties with Dragic.

Lowkey hoping for Dion to be the one who ticks Jimmy off in practice.

[batterybro42]

I really think a deal for Paul is essential in the acquisition of Bradley Beal, hopefully you get 2 picks and swing those immediately to Washington

Heat Get: Beal, and Paul
OKC Gets: Dragic, JJ, and Dion
Wizards Get: Winslow, KO, and 4 future 1st round picks from Miami

Deal reduces our cap by about 7 million for the upcoming season, and we are able to use our Elington trade exception for that, free us enough money to bring back Wade and give UD his final ride.

PG: Paul, Wade, Nunn
SG: Beal, Herro
SF: Buckets DJJ, Robinson
PF: Myles L, KZ, UD
C: Bam, Maten

Would be nice to Add somebody like Dwight Howard for the vet minimum to backup Bam off the bench

Run it back Dwade you aren't supposed to retire in the regular season, need that 4th ring

In that scenario I'd be really disappointed if we lost Winslow, Olynyk and 4 FRP's in an acquisition of Beal. Considering that was basically the cost for the Clippers to get PG which also allowed them to sign Kawhi. PG is also a better player than Beal.

I would prefer to to keep 2 picks even if it costed us Herro. We should save the other 2 FRP's to use to get off Paul's contract in 2021 if he decides he's going to opt in or to even potentially use them in a sign and trade scenario.

Agreed. Winslow, KO and 4 firsts seems a bit much! PG13 also had some years left on his deal, so leverage was low on his and clippers end, while the clear desire to move now by PG was high.

For us, if that’s what Washington wants, then we wait until next summer when their leverage begins to escape them in our favor. The sting of Kawhi leaving will still he fresh in the eyes of the league and few will be willing to make a pitch for Beal if he says he wants Miami and we have the assets and cap to make it happen in free agency. I say we offer KO, Winslow and 2 picks now, and wait around until the finally feel that is the right price. Beals value will continue to decrease with each passing day.

You also have to consider that should we move picks the value of those picks has to be considered with the addition of Beal, who will be a young long term asset that we can pair with two plus potential guys in Bam, and Herro, along with Jimmy who should have another 3-4 years playing at an elite level. Lastly whatever we can get out of CP3. Those picks should not be worth a ton, and I'd be willing to remove all protections on most of them. We get our picks back, and we can go ahead, and move our 2020 draft pick, along with 2022, 2024, and 2026.

Send them unprotected 2020 and 2022 draft picks, and protect the hell out of 2024 and 2026, and we good

[The Bunk]

I really think a deal for Paul is essential in the acquisition of Bradley Beal, hopefully you get 2 picks and swing those immediately to Washington

Heat Get: Beal, and Paul
OKC Gets: Dragic, JJ, and Dion
Wizards Get: Winslow, KO, and 4 future 1st round picks from Miami

Deal reduces our cap by about 7 million for the upcoming season, and we are able to use our Elington trade exception for that, free us enough money to bring back Wade and give UD his final ride.

PG: Paul, Wade, Nunn
SG: Beal, Herro
SF: Buckets DJJ, Robinson
PF: Myles L, KZ, UD
C: Bam, Maten

Would be nice to Add somebody like Dwight Howard for the vet minimum to backup Bam off the bench

Run it back Dwade you aren't supposed to retire in the regular season, need that 4th ring

In that scenario I'd be really disappointed if we lost Winslow, Olynyk and 4 FRP's in an acquisition of Beal. Considering that was basically the cost for the Clippers to get PG which also allowed them to sign Kawhi. PG is also a better player than Beal.

I would prefer to to keep 2 picks even if it costed us Herro. We should save the other 2 FRP's to use to get off Paul's contract in 2021 if he decides he's going to opt in or to even potentially use them in a sign and trade scenario.

You'd value two first round picks, possibly in the late 20s, over Herro? I'm keeping Herro over any future picks.

[Biscayne Beast]

If we do end up getting our 2 picks back from OKC, then whatever we do moving forward, none of them better include trading our 2022 pick!!! That pick is gold! That pick can also be Z.Wade if he decides for 2 years of college.... with that said, whatever year Zaire plans on entering the draft, we keep that pick. Anywhere from 2021-2024.

Is Wade's kid even that good? He seems really skinny and I haven't heard anything about him being offered by any major schools.

[batterybro42]

Just saw someone comment '6th man of the year' on that Waiters post. He responded 'no sir'.

Well, I guess that's that lol.

Man, I can't stand him. Easily my least favorite Heat player of all time. Where does he get that entitlement from? Dude has been a bust/career bum aside from a single 41 game half season stretch.

I have no interest in watching him hog the ball and take away from Jimmy & Winslow. With the roster as presently constructed, he needs to be on that second unit where he can share ball handling duties with Dragic.

Lowkey hoping for Dion to be the one who ticks Jimmy off in practice.

Dion coming for that clout this year. I love me some Dion, would love to see him continue on in a Heat uniform as I expect this to be his breakout season. Part of me though, would be super interested in watching him in either OKC or Washington where he is on a team trying to tank, but is the ball dominant player, and unquestioned scorer. Living in a world where Dion Waiters is a 25 PPG guy in the NBA would be a lot of fun, and honestly I think he has the balls to take that volume of shots if he is left unobstructed to do so. Those one or two games where Dion catches fire on like 25 attempts would be absolutely must see TV

[HeatIn5]

Read on Twitter

Regardless of the legitimacy of this random twitter insider's info, I like the idea of adding Covington.

No lie, this is my brothers 17 year old friend. Stop posting their **** and thinking it's real.

I debated on doubling down here (tripling down really if anyone’s keepin count) but you’re a OG fan and seemingly a decent dude and don’t deserve my egregious trolling. The few times I’ve posted his tweets, I’ve left some subtle indicators that I take the twitter commentary with a grain of salt. I don’t view it as real. I post Heat twitter speculation because it’s a fun pass time more than anything else used to provoke interesting forum commentary and banter. I posted his Covington tweet, if you check what I said, just to discuss the possibility of Mia acquiring him and wanted to gauge Heat fans on their thoughts on RC. It worked. The forum seems to like the idea.

If he really is your brother’s friend, that’s knee slapping funny.

Oh I wasn’t being a **** this time. It actually is my brothers 17 year old friend.

[batterybro42]

If we do end up getting our 2 picks back from OKC, then whatever we do moving forward, none of them better include trading our 2022 pick!!! That pick is gold! That pick can also be Z.Wade if he decides for 2 years of college.... with that said, whatever year Zaire plans on entering the draft, we keep that pick. Anywhere from 2021-2024.

Is Wade's kid even that good? He seems really skinny and I haven't heard anything about him being offered by any major schools.

No he is not good (in terms of an NBA talent) he also smokes as much weed as a prime Michael Beasley from what I've heard

He'll make the summer league roster one day like Tre Mourning, but I got a feeling it will be an over-hyped flop, which is no fault of the kid those are big shoes to fill

[twix2500]

No lie, this is my brothers 17 year old friend. Stop posting their **** and thinking it's real.

I debated on doubling down here (tripling down really if anyone’s keepin count) but you’re a OG fan and seemingly a decent dude and don’t deserve my egregious trolling. The few times I’ve posted his tweets, I’ve left some subtle indicators that I take the twitter commentary with a grain of salt. I don’t view it as real. I post Heat twitter speculation because it’s a fun pass time more than anything else used to provoke interesting forum commentary and banter. I posted his Covington tweet, if you check what I said, just to discuss the possibility of Mia acquiring him and wanted to gauge Heat fans on their thoughts on RC. It worked. The forum seems to like the idea.

If he really is your brother’s friend, that’s knee slapping funny.

Oh I wasn’t being a **** this time. It actually is my brothers 17 year old friend.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Nunn was the only undrafted player to be named to the 2019 NBA Summer League First Team. Also, technically Nunn is a rookie.

[Biscayne Beast]

If we do end up getting our 2 picks back from OKC, then whatever we do moving forward, none of them better include trading our 2022 pick!!! That pick is gold! That pick can also be Z.Wade if he decides for 2 years of college.... with that said, whatever year Zaire plans on entering the draft, we keep that pick. Anywhere from 2021-2024.

Is Wade's kid even that good? He seems really skinny and I haven't heard anything about him being offered by any major schools.

No he is not good (in terms of an NBA talent) he also smokes as much weed as a prime Michael Beasley from what I've heard

He'll make the summer league roster one day like Tre Mourning, but I got a feeling it will be an over-hyped flop, which is no fault of the kid those are big shoes to fill

He still has 2-3 years before he declares so maybe if he grows 1-2 inches and gains 20 pounds and develops more than he might make it. Right now he's 6'2 175lbs so if he grows to about 6'4 and gets to like 195 he should be alright.