Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[AirP.]

You're right he should make a move. You got two young point guards out there. Does he have to? I still think the answer is no. There would be some explaining if Chris Paul is not starting if he is still on the roster when the season starts. I am not sure if he is willing to give back picks since his MO is acquiring draft picks which is lots of chances to draft another star.

Atlanta moved Schroder to not have any distractions for Trae and that looks like it worked well, he was able to play more free by not having to look over his shoulder at another PG who wanted his minutes and possibly created issues in the locker room. If CP3 is going to stay in OKC for any real amount of time, Schroder needs to be moved.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

I agree that the situation can become quite ugly. It would look real bad if Chris Paul, a high ranking member of the NBPA did not act professionally and make the best of the situation. OKC still has to play him because he is the best point guard on the team. It will be an ugly situation if OKC does the following:

a. They try to stash him away, so he does not get hurt
b. They want to play the point guards ahead of him
c. They don't make him the number one option.

It's not like OKC owes Chris Paul anything. OKC did not sign him. They literally can't give him away. LOL.

[RexBoyWonder]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

[AirP.]

I agree that the situation can become quite ugly. It would look real bad if Chris Paul, a high ranking member of the NBPA did not act professionally and make the best of the situation. OKC still has to play him because he is the best point guard on the team. It will be an ugly situation if OKC does the following:

a. They try to stash him away, so he does not get hurt
b. They want to play the point guards ahead of him
c. They don't make him the number one option.

It's not like OKC owes Chris Paul anything. OKC did not sign him. They literally can't give him away. LOL.

Right, but now what OKC does with CP3 could affect how other free agents or players they trade for could alter how they look at OKC. As in, I'll give them a shot, if it doesn't work they'll work with me. It's something small market teams have to think about.

OKC is in a bind if they were going to rebuild it's no big deal having a huge contract on their books for 3 more years, lots of teams rebuilding take on bad contracts for years for assets. OKC probably won't be rebuilding, they're probably going to reload with younger good/great potential. They have too much talent currently to tank with a top 7 of SGA, Furgeson, Roberson, Gallinari, Adams, Schroder and Noel, tossing CP3 in that group only makes them a fringe playoff team which means not that good of a draft pick and not really developing enough players for the future. Outside of CP3, OKC could package Gallinari or possibly Adams with some(maybe a lot) of picks to get their next long term core player(s) to go with SGA and Ferguson.

I do hope Miami can get CP3(and one or 2 of their picks back) and then that 3rd year of his contract package him and his expiring contract in a sign and trade for another core piece.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

If contracts were not an issue, I would love to have Chris Paul here. I have not seen good PG play here in a long time.

[Kobewade11]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

I agree that Winslow - Herro - Butler - Olynyk - Bam is probably the most balanced starting 5 we can roll out. There's shooting, defense, ball handling, and between Winslow and Olynyk two high IQ facilitators. Which is to say that Spo will probably start Dragic and Dion.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

I agree that Winslow - Herro - Butler - Olynyk - Bam is probably the most balanced starting 5 we can roll out. There's shooting, defense, ball handling, and between Winslow and Olynyk two high IQ facilitators. Which is to say that Spo will probably start Dragic and Dion.

Yeah i agree with this too and I also agree that Spo will atleast start off the season giving Dragic and Dion the starting spots to begin the year. The way Riley blasted the media as penciling in Winslow at PG unfortunately solidified for me that Dragic will start. Winslow imo not that i like it will come off the bench but at least he'll have total control of the second unit and will be next to Herro. Dragic will start in name but I think Winslow will get a ton of burn.

C Kelly Olynyk C Leonard Myers
PF Bam Adebayo PF/SF Derrick Jones Jr /PF James Johnson
SF Jimmy Butler
SG Dion Waiters SG Tyler Herro
PG Goran Dragic PG/SF Justise Winslow

To me the core 4 off the bench in a 9 man rotation will be Winslow,Herro, DJJ, and Leonard or JJ depending on how Spo feels on a given night. I think Winslow absorbs the majority of the PG and SF minutes off the bench. DJJ will play his small ball role with a sprinkle at backup SF and the Big rotation will be Olynyk, Adebayo, and Myers or or JJ flip flopping.

[BBallFreak]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

What happens to Dragic on your scenario? And I would not be shocked of Herro eventually steps into the starting role in place of Waiters or Dragic, but I also think it's fair to assume that Herro might need to develop a bit before taking that large a role...

[The Bunk]

Dion is such an awful fit next to Jimmy & Winslow. We wont, but Herro really needs to be the starting SG.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dion is such an awful fit next to Jimmy & Winslow. We wont, but Herro really needs to be the starting SG.

This team makes rookies earn everything. No way he walks into the season and starts over Dragic or Waiters. I would love to see us roll with Herro but it's not going to happen from the get go unless somebody gets hurt.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Justise is going to have to improve greatly on his 62% free throw shooting. That's just not good coming from who many feel should be the starting PG on this team. He has the tools but still has holes he needs to shore up. Goran is going to be starting at PG. And Winslow is going to have to fight Waiters in camp to get a starting spot.

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[fishfuego.]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

I agree with this^. I think Herro will have to prove to Spo that he is beyond ready lol. For what I saw in SL, Herro had some elite passing going on, with his shooting and everything else he seems able to do, it would be a good compliment to start with Butler and specially Winslow if he is the starter.

[BBallFreak]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

I agree with this^. I think Herro will have to prove to Spo that he is beyond ready lol. For what I saw in SL, Herro had some elite passing going on, with his shooting and everything else he seems able to do, it would be a good compliment to start with Butler and specially Winslow if he is the starter.

I agree entirely, but I would temper expectations a bit. It's summer league. He was playing against guys who won't make rosters, guys on two way deals, and rookies. It's going to be very different when he's facing off against viable NBA starters in rigid, well rehearsed NBA systems.

[HeatIn5]

i think Dion is going to fill Wade's role as backup ball handler. I expect it to look like this

Dragic/Waiters/Nunn
Jimmy/Herro/Duncan
Winslow/DJJ
Kelly/JJ/KZ
Bam/Leonard

[RexBoyWonder]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

I agree with this^. I think Herro will have to prove to Spo that he is beyond ready lol. For what I saw in SL, Herro had some elite passing going on, with his shooting and everything else he seems able to do, it would be a good compliment to start with Butler and specially Winslow if he is the starter.

I agree entirely, but I would temper expectations a bit. It's summer league. He was playing against guys who won't make rosters, guys on two way deals, and rookies. It's going to be very different when he's facing off against viable NBA starters in rigid, well rehearsed NBA systems.

I really don't expect Herro to look that great to start the season, but honestly - I don't expect much of Dion either. I do think Herro could develop rather quickly if we push him, put him next to the right players, and instill confidence in him. I really doubt Dion is a long term Heat player.

In term of fit - Herro fits better with Justise and Jimmy.

In term of long term thinking - Developing Herro is more important then pleasing Dion.

I highly doubt Spo gives Herro the nod simply because it's the harder decision to make, and the safe choice is always to give the loud mouth veteran the benefit of the doubt.
Plus Spo doesn't seem to believe in forging through fire, he always slow plays the new guys and make them earn every minute in never ending process. (Is justise starting yet? it's only his 5th year).

[AirP.]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

I agree with this^. I think Herro will have to prove to Spo that he is beyond ready lol. For what I saw in SL, Herro had some elite passing going on, with his shooting and everything else he seems able to do, it would be a good compliment to start with Butler and specially Winslow if he is the starter.

He's not played 1 minute in the NBA, he doesn't even know what the speed of an NBA game is, then there's not knowing the players or their tendencies he will be defending. I guess it would be interesting to watch Butler deal with the same BS he left Chicago, Minnesota and even Philly for, players not having to earn spots/roles, they get elevated roles just because they have potential.

[islandHEAT]

Herro isn't ready to start, yet. Watch everything beyond his pull-up shooting and the couple dimes he dropped and he will have a hard time staying on the court at an NBA level. For him to be effective its going to have to be against the 2nd string guys, at least in the beginning.

[BBallFreak]

I agree with this^. I think Herro will have to prove to Spo that he is beyond ready lol. For what I saw in SL, Herro had some elite passing going on, with his shooting and everything else he seems able to do, it would be a good compliment to start with Butler and specially Winslow if he is the starter.

I agree entirely, but I would temper expectations a bit. It's summer league. He was playing against guys who won't make rosters, guys on two way deals, and rookies. It's going to be very different when he's facing off against viable NBA starters in rigid, well rehearsed NBA systems.

I really don't expect Herro to look that great to start the season, but honestly - I don't expect much of Dion either. I do think Herro could develop rather quickly if we push him, put him next to the right players, and instill confidence in him. I really doubt Dion is a long term Heat player.

In term of fit - Herro fits better with Justise and Jimmy.

In term of long term thinking - Developing Herro is more important then pleasing Dion.

I highly doubt Spo gives Herro the nod simply because it's the harder decision to make, and the safe choice is always to give the loud mouth veteran the benefit of the doubt.
Plus Spo doesn't seem to believe in forging through fire, he always slow plays the new guys and make them earn every minute in never ending process. (Is justise starting yet? it's only his 5th year).

I personally believe we start Dragic, Butler, and Winslow with kind of a multiple ball handler type of offense that can attack from any angle.

As for Herro, I'm totally in the "make him earn it" camp. I want him to beat out the vets in front of him. This forging through the fire nonsense is a crock. We're a professional basketball team, not a peewee, everyone gets a trophy little league team. He wants it? He can beat out the players in front of him. Let him learn the game and force Spo to start him by being the right guy. If he's the right guy, he will earn it...

[BBallFreak]

Back to Heat related issues :

I really think Herro should be starting. I know Spo likely wo'nt do it, but it just makes alot of sense.

Justise (who should be starting at PG) and Butler (who should be starting at SF) really need a Herro type shooter playing next to them. Herro will enjoy the open looks they'll provide him, and he looks like finding the open spaces comes naturally for him.

Dion likes and needs the ball to be effective, and could have the ball playing next to DJJ and Nunn. Dion on the second unt will have the freedom to do his thing, if he's even capable of being an efficient scorer. I don't think Dion/Justise/Butler are a good pairing, too much ball stoppers and not enough off the ball shooting.

I agree with this^. I think Herro will have to prove to Spo that he is beyond ready lol. For what I saw in SL, Herro had some elite passing going on, with his shooting and everything else he seems able to do, it would be a good compliment to start with Butler and specially Winslow if he is the starter.

He's not played 1 minute in the NBA, he doesn't even know what the speed of an NBA game is, then there's not knowing the players or their tendencies he will be defending. I guess it would be interesting to watch Butler deal with the same BS he left Chicago, Minnesota and even Philly for, players not having to earn spots/roles, they get elevated roles just because they have potential.

This is one of the better posts I've read on this forum. I cannot give you enough And1's...

[eddieheatfan]

If contracts were not an issue, I would love to have Chris Paul here. I have not seen good PG play here in a long time.