nedleeds wrote:Triple C wrote:
Shooting what % against players who will never start for NBA teams?
True.
That certainly does erase the fact that he made history.
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nedleeds wrote:Triple C wrote:
Shooting what % against players who will never start for NBA teams?
Iron Mantis wrote:nedleeds wrote:Triple C wrote:
Shooting what % against players who will never start for NBA teams?
True.
That certainly does erase the fact that he made history.
Iron Mantis wrote:nedleeds wrote:Triple C wrote:
Shooting what % against players who will never start for NBA teams?
True.
That certainly does erase the fact that he made history.
stuporman wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Fat Kat wrote:
LOL, you know that every NBA draft prognosticator bats around .340. This was low hanging fruit, brother, but a slick move on your part. #Respek
Just because he's wrong about other players doesn't mean he didn't get RJ right.
This is proof that these supposed 'experts' are not much more than posters on a forum but who happen to get paid to be wrong most of the time yet the posters here act like their opinion means something.
Clyde_Style wrote:stuporman wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
LOL, you know that every NBA draft prognosticator bats around .340. This was low hanging fruit, brother, but a slick move on your part. #Respek
Just because he's wrong about other players doesn't mean he didn't get RJ right.
This is proof that these supposed 'experts' are not much more than posters on a forum but who happen to get paid to be wrong most of the time yet the posters here act like their opinion means something.
In all fairness to "professional" analysts and to Spencer in particular, I respect the work it takes to break down a player's profile and support it with good analytics and insights. It is not that easy to do at a level that separates you from the million online scout wannabes.
Doing that very well takes commitment and goes far beyond the hot take of the media talking heads who are rarely objective stats junkies. When the famous media guys do produce statistical evidence to back their opinion on players it is often cherry picked in a highly subjective manner.
That said, even with all of the analytical tools at your disposal and the will to use them, legit moneyball practitioners are still going to be wrong a lot of the time. It seems the difference between being a professional data analyst in sports and a solid amateur may be a matter of percentage points in terms of which draft picks succeed or fail in the NBA. And that's not a knock on the profession, because those possibly slim margins may be the difference between winning or losing or the edge that lands you a great player at any draft position.
As a mere fan though, I'd say will and temperament are hard to quantify and that is often the difference between success and failure. It is why in the end the eye test or gut check will still always be a factor in choosing the right guys.
stuporman wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:stuporman wrote:
This is proof that these supposed 'experts' are not much more than posters on a forum but who happen to get paid to be wrong most of the time yet the posters here act like their opinion means something.
In all fairness to "professional" analysts and to Spencer in particular, I respect the work it takes to break down a player's profile and support it with good analytics and insights. It is not that easy to do at a level that separates you from the million online scout wannabes.
Doing that very well takes commitment and goes far beyond the hot take of the media talking heads who are rarely objective stats junkies. When the famous media guys do produce statistical evidence to back their opinion on players it is often cherry picked in a highly subjective manner.
That said, even with all of the analytical tools at your disposal and the will to use them, legit moneyball practitioners are still going to be wrong a lot of the time. It seems the difference between being a professional data analyst in sports and a solid amateur may be a matter of percentage points in terms of which draft picks succeed or fail in the NBA. And that's not a knock on the profession, because those possibly slim margins may be the difference between winning or losing or the edge that lands you a great player at any draft position.
As a mere fan though, I'd say will and temperament are hard to quantify and that is often the difference between success and failure. It is why in the end the eye test or gut check will still always be a factor in choosing the right guys.
All that time, effort and dedication and they're still wrong more than they are right... brilliant. Their opinion is meaningful why? Because they act like it is and some believe them?
Clyde_Style wrote:stuporman wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
In all fairness to "professional" analysts and to Spencer in particular, I respect the work it takes to break down a player's profile and support it with good analytics and insights. It is not that easy to do at a level that separates you from the million online scout wannabes.
Doing that very well takes commitment and goes far beyond the hot take of the media talking heads who are rarely objective stats junkies. When the famous media guys do produce statistical evidence to back their opinion on players it is often cherry picked in a highly subjective manner.
That said, even with all of the analytical tools at your disposal and the will to use them, legit moneyball practitioners are still going to be wrong a lot of the time. It seems the difference between being a professional data analyst in sports and a solid amateur may be a matter of percentage points in terms of which draft picks succeed or fail in the NBA. And that's not a knock on the profession, because those possibly slim margins may be the difference between winning or losing or the edge that lands you a great player at any draft position.
As a mere fan though, I'd say will and temperament are hard to quantify and that is often the difference between success and failure. It is why in the end the eye test or gut check will still always be a factor in choosing the right guys.
All that time, effort and dedication and they're still wrong more than they are right... brilliant. Their opinion is meaningful why? Because they act like it is and some believe them?
I believe I made a more thoughtful and nuanced post than your bratty take indicates
GONYK wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:stuporman wrote:
All that time, effort and dedication and they're still wrong more than they are right... brilliant. Their opinion is meaningful why? Because they act like it is and some believe them?
I believe I made a more thoughtful and nuanced post than your bratty take indicates
Baseball players dedicate their entire lives learning how to hit a small ball coming at them at 95 MPH, and the all time greats only do it successfully 30% of the time.
Why are they even bothering
Iron Mantis wrote:nedleeds wrote:Triple C wrote:
Shooting what % against players who will never start for NBA teams?
True.
That certainly does erase the fact that he made history.
Clyde_Style wrote:GONYK wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
I believe I made a more thoughtful and nuanced post than your bratty take indicates
Baseball players dedicate their entire lives learning how to hit a small ball coming at them at 95 MPH, and the all time greats only do it successfully 30% of the time.
Why are they even bothering
Ted Williams!
(that's all I've got)
GONYK wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:stuporman wrote:
All that time, effort and dedication and they're still wrong more than they are right... brilliant. Their opinion is meaningful why? Because they act like it is and some believe them?
I believe I made a more thoughtful and nuanced post than your bratty take indicates
Baseball players dedicate their entire lives learning how to hit a small ball coming at them at 95 MPH, and the all time greats only do it successfully 30% of the time.
Why are they even bothering
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
Oscirus wrote:GONYK wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
I believe I made a more thoughtful and nuanced post than your bratty take indicates
Baseball players dedicate their entire lives learning how to hit a small ball coming at them at 95 MPH, and the all time greats only do it successfully 30% of the time.
Why are they even bothering
Cuz they get paid good money for it. If weatherman got the weather right 30-40 percent of the time they'd be a joke yet when these people do it, we accept their word as gospel
One study found that when television meteorologists in Kansas predicted that there was a 100% chance of rain, it didn’t rain at all one-third of the time. And there is much anecdotal evidence for forecasters’ unreliability. In 2009, heavy rains dampened a “barbecue summer” prediction by Britain’s Met office. In January last year American meteorologists apologised profusely on Twitter for predicting a “crippling” and “historic” blizzard that never arrived. Why do weathermen seem to get it wrong so often?
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2016/06/19/why-weather-forecasts-are-so-often-wrong
Clyde_Style wrote:After long and careful consideration I can now say with complete confidence the perfect comp for RJ Barrett is Tilda Swinton
DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:Dam Knicks news dry as ever. I hope something big happens
HarthorneWingo wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:nedleeds wrote:
Shooting what % against players who will never start for NBA teams?
True.
That certainly does erase the fact that he made history.
Yeah, we'll be talking about this Summer League performance - along with all the other historic SL performances - for decades to come.
DaGawd wrote:DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:Dam Knicks news dry as ever. I hope something big happens
Well free agency is done for the most part..now we wait until training camp
HarthorneWingo wrote:So RJ said he's "the best player in the draft"? I thought somebody was telling me how humble he is.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/05/rj-barrett-zion-williamson-nba-draft-lottery-best-player-duke