2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs

[EastSideBucksFan]

While Bledsoe's playoff failures are a major concern right now and shouldn't be understated.

I feel like two things are being completely dismissed this in Brogdon v Bledsoe debate

1. Bledsoe was First Team All NBA Defense at PG.

2. Brogdon at point guard was a failure that triggered the Bledsoe trade.


I feel like Bledsoe was kind of written out of the offensive game plan too much this year and part of me liked him deferring to get others involved, but, I feel he wasn't able to turn that switch back on when we needed it most in the playoffs.

I'm very curious to see how his offensive role/usage changes this year with no Brogdon.

It's a fair point that both Bledsoe and Middleton could benefit from Brogdon not being around to take as many shots and handle to ball as much.

Khash in particular could be expected to score more now that he's making max money.

What triggered the Bledsoe trade was an opportunity to get better and Brogdon's flexibility allowed him to move off the ball to insert Bledsoe. Although to be fair, the whole damn thing was destined to fail with Kidd at the helm.

There's no way, zip, zilch, zero, that Bledsoe/Middleton are going to replace Brogdon's production at the same efficiency. I prefer Bledsoe distribute all season long. His game isn't built for playoff basketball, and I'd rather not have the team have to make usage adjustments at playoff time due to his inefficiency.

I think it was extremely obvious how slow Bucks guards were with Brogdon leading at PG and Delly was backing up. Bucks were searching for a point guard and Bledsoe happened to be there.

Khash can pickup 5 points on good efficiency pretty easily I think.

Bledsoe we'll see. But, Bucks absolutely need his bully ball attacking the basket in the playoffs. That is definitely something that is needed in the playoffs even moreso than regular season.

[Antinomy]

Everyone talks about Giannis adding a shot but I think his biggest think to improve is reacting to double teams & creating better angles for his passes.

There were tons of times in the Raptors series when he’d get doubled, guys were wide open, but then he’d end up holding the ball too long & have to dribble out his spot.

Him cleaning that up plus improves FT shooting would make him a ton more dangerous in the PO.

[M-C-G]

Yeah, I think with Brogdon gone, Bledsoe just became more important because he is one of the few guys other than Giannis that can drive to the rim. Middleton sure isn't going to do that, hopefully DDV can pick up some of that though.

[drone3]

Lowe made an interesting point about Bledsoe. Said that he wonders if the Bucks still would have signed him to an extension if they waited until the offseason and witnessed yet another Bledsoe playoff dud. Seems like he thought they wouldn't have.

EDIT: 75 minutes in

Bledsoe over Brogdon is a choice our franchise made that deserves detailed analysis as we move forward.

While Bledsoe's playoff failures are a major concern right now and shouldn't be understated.

I feel like two things are being completely dismissed this in Brogdon v Bledsoe debate

1. Bledsoe was First Team All NBA Defense at PG.

2. Brogdon at point guard was a failure that triggered the Bledsoe trade.


I feel like Bledsoe was kind of written out of the offensive game plan too much this year and part of me liked him deferring to get others involved, but, I feel he wasn't able to turn that switch back on when we needed it most in the playoffs.

I'm very curious to see how his offensive role/usage changes this year with no Brogdon.

It felt like Bud transformed Bled into a team player which was effective. Throughout the RS Bled still had the ability to takeover when it was required and this also worked. The problem was in the playoffs he did everything right except he lost the ability to takeover games, to give us that essential lift up to get back on track.

Gianiss also seemed to be lacking his super powers which makes it feel more like this was a mental team issue.

[Antinomy]

As much as I was out on Bledsoe after the playoffs, his contract is still a bargain considering a guy like Rubio just got $17 million a year. Bledsoe’s whole deal isn’t even guaranteed.

Hell, TERRY ROZIER just got $20 million a year, GUARANTEED.

[coolhandluke121]

Everyone talks about Giannis adding a shot but I think his biggest think to improve is reacting to double teams & creating better angles for his passes.

There were tons of times in the Raptors series when he’d get doubled, guys were wide open, but then he’d end up holding the ball too long & have to dribble out his spot.

Him cleaning that up plus improves FT shooting would make him a ton more dangerous in the PO.

I agree completely. He sells out on his drives and then he's off balance for the pass. He has to gather himself first and that throws off the rhythm of the play. He can't survey the whole floor when he's off balance, so he often fails to see the best option behind the arc. He'll kick it out to Bledsoe if that's the first guy he sees, even if Khris is wide open behind Giannis. And his off balance passes take a little too long to get there some times, giving the defense too much time to recover. Look how quick Lebron's passes arrive for comparison. Makes a huge difference in rhythm.

On another note, I judge people a lot on whether they think Brogdon can play PG. Seems to be about as good of a litmus test as I've ever seen for whether someone can really follow what's actually happening or not. Maybe he sheds a little weight like he said he was going to and ends up being quicker, but good lord he was a disaster at PG when he played there.

[LedZepp007]

I thought Brogdon was best as a sixth man combo guard. In Indiana’s system I actually think he’s a slight downgrade from Collison, but we will see. Also, Bledsoe is pretty much better at everything (except shooting of course) than Brogdon. I think it’s an absolute joke that we squandered the TPE, but trading Brogdon and getting something out of it was good.

Also, Lasry needs to **** stop meddling and making trades himself. That’s pathetic.


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[Pachinko_]

Yeah I on the other hand think that Giannis is fine, but I'd like to see everybody else improve at pretty much everything.

[Ruzious]

I thought Brogdon was best as a sixth man combo guard. In Indiana’s system I actually think he’s a slight downgrade from Collison, but we will see. Also, Bledsoe is pretty much better at everything (except shooting of course) than Brogdon. I think it’s an absolute joke that we squandered the TPE, but trading Brogdon and getting something out of it was good.

Also, Lasry needs to **** stop meddling and making trades himself. That’s pathetic.


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Well Brogdon's a shooting guard who has some PG skills. It's an odd mix at indiana - I was surprised they also signed Lamb, but they were smart to sign McConnell. If they think Brogdon's a PG, it's not going to work well. Once Dipo finally gets healthy, it'll be interesting to see how everyone fits.

[raferfenix]

I'm not betting against Brogdon.

That 4th year is scary with health concerns but I fear we aren't getting an upgrade with that cap space + the Pacers pick + other assets we might include in a package.

Our best hope is that there is an element of addition by subtraction where other players step up in his absence.

Who knows what was going on in the lockerroom but if Brogdon was pushing for more shots and to handle the ball more that is very different than a more pure 3&D guy getting that clock who will mostly stay out of the way and let Middleton do his damnedest to act like he deserves max.

[emunney]

Bottom line: we've lost 2 of our top 6 guys (I'm saying 6. If you think Mirotic is further down the list, go for it). How many top 6-8 guys did we gain? Donte and DJ have to step up to become those players, that's our best hope at this point. Or our second best hope, after Giannis taking yet another big step and rendering everything else basically irrelevant.

Looking ahead, given our cap situation, we are almost certainly losing Ersan, Sterling, and Pat next year, but we will be able to bring in a MLE guy and we will likely have a first rounder. That's not as big a net hit as dropping Brogdon and Mirotic off the roster for nothing but it's a knock. Complacency is not going to be rewarded.

[theFireBlanket]

Wes, Thanasis & Robin are going each going to play roles relative to Brook/Ersan last year. Under the radar.

Homer all you wish, Thanasis will be the biggest pickup. Giannis will push him to his best, & vice versa.

Bledsoe and Middleton step up.

Bucks are deeper than the start of last year. There's always time to pickup a Mirotic or talent to show and realise itself through the course of a season.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Bottom line: we've lost 2 of our top 6 guys (I'm saying 6. If you think Mirotic is further down the list, go for it). How many top 6-8 guys did we gain? Donte and DJ have to step up to become those players, that's our best hope at this point. Or our second best hope, after Giannis taking yet another big step and rendering everything else basically irrelevant.

Looking ahead, given our cap situation, we are almost certainly losing Ersan, Sterling, and Pat next year, but we will be able to bring in a MLE guy and we will likely have a first rounder. That's not as big a net hit as dropping Brogdon and Mirotic off the roster for nothing but it's a knock. Complacency is not going to be rewarded.

Only 4 teams in the NBA have brought back 75% of their previous seasons minutes

Bucks
Nuggets
Magic
Spurs

https://www.nba.com/article/2019/07/17/player-movement-analysis-what-teams-have-gained-and-lost

[emunney]

Bottom line: we've lost 2 of our top 6 guys (I'm saying 6. If you think Mirotic is further down the list, go for it). How many top 6-8 guys did we gain? Donte and DJ have to step up to become those players, that's our best hope at this point. Or our second best hope, after Giannis taking yet another big step and rendering everything else basically irrelevant.

Looking ahead, given our cap situation, we are almost certainly losing Ersan, Sterling, and Pat next year, but we will be able to bring in a MLE guy and we will likely have a first rounder. That's not as big a net hit as dropping Brogdon and Mirotic off the roster for nothing but it's a knock. Complacency is not going to be rewarded.

Only 4 teams in the NBA have brought back 75% of their previous seasons minutes

Bucks
Nuggets
Magic
Spurs

https://www.nba.com/article/2019/07/17/player-movement-analysis-what-teams-have-gained-and-lost

Yeah there were a lot of teams working hard to get better.

[Ron Swanson]

It's a loss and anyone dismissing Brogdon as irrelevant is wrong, but if you can't weather the loss of your 5th and 6th best guys (or 4th if you put Brogdon above Brook, or whatever), then how strong of a contender did you actually think this roster was before then? Other guys were always gonna have to step up eventually for this team to win a championship. We need more guys than George Hill to step up in a series, and that would be true with or without Brogdon.

[WimpyDeer]

New Horst/Nehm interview on The Athletic featuring questions about the luxury tax and TPE's

[mcfromage]

New Horst/Nehm interview on The Athletic featuring questions about the luxury tax and TPE's

Yes I came here for quotes. Hit us up y’all.

[crkone]

There was a scenario laid out by Albert Nahmad on Twitter that suggests that you may have been able to both keep the exception and sign Hill if you were able to move around $720,000 in one of the contracts you signed to a different season. Is that something you looked at?

Absolutely a consideration. We have a great staff and we look at creative ways to try to figure out how to maximize our ability to generate exceptions in every applicable transaction. Even considering that Albert didn’t have all the facts or context, $700,000 is significant in any negotiation. And at the end of the day, we were negotiating in good faith with free agents and trying to get our guys back. George and Brook are really good core pieces, targets and a trade exception would have been nice. However, nothing compared to the value of having them remain Bucks. So, we opted for that route and moved forward with it.

[truly]

Bottom line: we've lost 2 of our top 6 guys (I'm saying 6. If you think Mirotic is further down the list, go for it). How many top 6-8 guys did we gain? Donte and DJ have to step up to become those players, that's our best hope at this point. Or our second best hope, after Giannis taking yet another big step and rendering everything else basically irrelevant.

Looking ahead, given our cap situation, we are almost certainly losing Ersan, Sterling, and Pat next year, but we will be able to bring in a MLE guy and we will likely have a first rounder. That's not as big a net hit as dropping Brogdon and Mirotic off the roster for nothing but it's a knock. Complacency is not going to be rewarded.

Mirotic was top 6 in name only.He basically contributed nothing to the team while being here.He was injured when we traded for him,when he finally started playing,he injured his finger after a few games(before he could even get into a rhythm) and in the playoffs he shot so bad that he was eventually benched(he went something like 3/18 from 3 before getting benched).

[crkone]

Before the draft, you said this ownership group is willing to pay the luxury tax for a team that can compete for a championship. By not retaining a restricted free agent (in Brogdon) who would have helped you compete for a championship, it appears that may not be true. How did avoiding the luxury tax play into this decision?

I would say the luxury tax was only part of the consideration for not matching or not being willing to pay Malcolm the market that he was able to get from Indiana. Whether or not he had that market from anywhere else besides Indiana, I don’t know. The decision on Malcolm was much more about our internal evaluations, the roster fit, the ability to be flexible and have options going forward and just building a team that, as I always say, can sustain success over a long period. And we decided that that contract or a contract in that range vs. the assets we were able to acquire, that we’d go with the assets that we were able to acquire and be more willing to talk about a sign-and-trade versus matching an offer that would potentially be in that range.

So, for us, I think the luxury tax was part of it, but as I said a few weeks ago, this is an ownership group that is willing to invest the resources necessary to win a championship. There is nothing that will prevent us from a mechanism standpoint that will keep us from being a luxury tax team or even a significant luxury tax team at some point in the build of this team over the next five to seven years. Not saying that that is a goal. I don’t think it’s a goal to spend as much money as we can, but we have the flexibility and the options with some of the picks we acquired, with some of the valuable contracts I think we’ve created.

We love the group that we have right now. We feel very confident in the group we have right now. It’s a great place to be and to have a team that we think can be a top team in the conference, one of the best teams in the NBA and not be a luxury tax team at this point. So, I think it’s a great spot to be in, but it’s not that we have to be in that spot.