WOJ: Julius Randle 3/63M (Team Option)

[thebuzzardman]

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Fizdale certainly seems to think Randle is a center

Not only did the Lakers player him at C, the Pelicans did as well, quite often.

I think Randle will see about 15-18 mpg at C

[3toheadmelo]

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[frogfood]

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We'll still probably lose by 20. Not hating on Randle though, I like the signing.

[Polk377]

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Fizdale certainly seems to think Randle is a center

Not only did the Lakers player him at C, the Pelicans did as well, quite often.

I think Randle will see about 15-18 mpg at C

He was the "Center" for LA 49% 2 seasons ago and 26% with NO. I would lean closer to the 26% we saw last season based on the personnel on the Knicks. Looking at potentially 8-12 minutes a game at C.

[thebuzzardman]

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Fizdale certainly seems to think Randle is a center

Not only did the Lakers player him at C, the Pelicans did as well, quite often.

I think Randle will see about 15-18 mpg at C

He was the "Center" for LA 49% 2 seasons ago and 26% with NO. I would lean closer to the 26% we saw last season based on the personnel on the Knicks. Looking at potentially 8-12 minutes a game at C.

Fiz gushed over him like a little girl, in regards to stretch 5. So it's at least 12 mpg.

I'm fine with either total, as long as Mitch gets 28 mpg or more. I think Mitch will get right around 28 mpg and not much more.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Dude hung numbers on all the western conference Monstar big men...he’s 24 and improving every year.
The coach clearly has designs on how he’d use him.
The negativity is killing me man. We didn’t get a 29 year old with bad knees. We didn’t trade away picks to starphuch. Second year with this set up: not one bad contract. None of y’all are used to that because it’s never been the case as Knick fans. And y’all acting all nose up snobby like we’re too good for good players who aren’t statnerd perfect.

The kid is going to be great here. The rubber is hitting the road at the right time with this group.

Everybody went full LolKnicks on their signings and trades this summer while we have arguably the deepest team in the division now and the flexibility to do anything we want whenever that anything presents itself.
Stay woke.

[KnixinSix]

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Fizdale certainly seems to think Randle is a center

Not only did the Lakers player him at C, the Pelicans did as well, quite often.

I think Randle will see about 15-18 mpg at C

Boom. A lot of folks don't quite realize his full position versatility. He will get minutes at C depending on matchups.

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Listening to the coach, it sounds like he will start Randle/Gibson/Morris trio. That is the optimal offense/defense combo. Gibson and Morris partially hides Randle's defensive deficiencies. Robinson gets to play against backups.

[dakomish23]

Dude hung numbers on all the western conference Monstar big men...he’s 24 and improving every year.
The coach clearly has designs on how he’d use him.
The negativity is killing me man. We didn’t get a 29 year old with bad knees. We didn’t trade away picks to starphuch. Second year with this set up: not one bad contract. None of y’all are used to that because it’s never been the case as Knick fans. And y’all acting all nose up snobby like we’re too good for good players who aren’t statnerd perfect.

The kid is going to be great here. The rubber is hitting the road at the right time with this group.

Everybody went full LolKnicks on their signings and trades this summer while we have arguably the deepest team in the division now and the flexibility to do anything we want whenever that anything presents itself.
Stay woke.

I haven’t seen or heard one LOLKnicks on the Randle signing (outside some folks here). It’s actually been celebrated by a lot of media.

Rightfully so. It was a great move.

[thebuzzardman]

Listening to the coach, it sounds like he will start Randle/Gibson/Morris trio. That is the optimal offense/defense combo. Gibson and Morris partially hides Randle's defensive deficiencies. Robinson gets to play against backups.

Why not Randle\Mitch\Morris?

Other than the Knicks could switch among all 3 players with Randle\Morris\Gibson, to a degree.

[DrCoach]

Randle > Tobias Harris and his 180 mil contract

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Listening to the coach, it sounds like he will start Randle/Gibson/Morris trio. That is the optimal offense/defense combo. Gibson and Morris partially hides Randle's defensive deficiencies. Robinson gets to play against backups.

Why not Randle\Mitch\Morris?

Other than the Knicks could switch among all 3 players with Randle\Morris\Gibson, to a degree.

Taj has a mid range game that provides a bit more space. That would be my guess.

[Infinitimind]

Dude hung numbers on all the western conference Monstar big men...he’s 24 and improving every year.
The coach clearly has designs on how he’d use him.
The negativity is killing me man. We didn’t get a 29 year old with bad knees. We didn’t trade away picks to starphuch. Second year with this set up: not one bad contract. None of y’all are used to that because it’s never been the case as Knick fans. And y’all acting all nose up snobby like we’re too good for good players who aren’t statnerd perfect.

The kid is going to be great here. The rubber is hitting the road at the right time with this group.

Everybody went full LolKnicks on their signings and trades this summer while we have arguably the deepest team in the division now and the flexibility to do anything we want whenever that anything presents itself.
Stay woke.

I agreed 100 percent with this post. He’s 24 and has been improving the last couple of years. Brings toughness and put up similar number to what kp did for us in his best year minus the blocks. Yes he has areas he has to improve in but that upto our coaches to develope those areas .

Smith jr and randel is better than injury prone diva kp

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Listening to the coach, it sounds like he will start Randle/Gibson/Morris trio. That is the optimal offense/defense combo. Gibson and Morris partially hides Randle's defensive deficiencies. Robinson gets to play against backups.

Why not Randle\Mitch\Morris?

Other than the Knicks could switch among all 3 players with Randle\Morris\Gibson, to a degree.

Yeah I think Mitch’s rim protection and athleticism play perfectly off Randle. Morris gives us that guy to throw at the 6’9-6’11” jumbo wing stars of the east.

I think the front court isn’t too difficult to figure out...
It’s the backcourt that’s kinda jumbled right now.

[thebuzzardman]

Listening to the coach, it sounds like he will start Randle/Gibson/Morris trio. That is the optimal offense/defense combo. Gibson and Morris partially hides Randle's defensive deficiencies. Robinson gets to play against backups.

Why not Randle\Mitch\Morris?

Other than the Knicks could switch among all 3 players with Randle\Morris\Gibson, to a degree.

Taj has a mid range game that provides a bit more space. That would be my guess.

I could see that as a reason. I'd just go with that off the bench. between Gibson and Portis and to some degree, Morris and Randle, there is ways to find some spacing\shooting around the 4\5 - sometimes with Mitch, and other times where he's not out there at all.

[HerSports85]

After a lot of thought, it seems like a Mitch/Randle/Morris front court is a no brainer. Randle is here long term, no point in starting him at the 5. Him and Mitch need to learn now how to play off each other


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I will ask an honest question. I am not trying to troll. How different is Randle compared to Kanter? I haven’t followed his career much. I went through their advanced stats and didn’t see anything that is particularly striking in Randle’s favor. He seems to have put numbers but it didn’t provide wins. The only difference seems to be his assist rate in his favor. Other stats like rebounding (especially offensive) is in Kanter’s favor. Any insights from those who followed the dude?

[Buttah304]

I will ask an honest question. I am not trying to troll. How different is Randle compared to Kanter? I haven’t followed his career much. I went through their advanced stats and didn’t see anything that is particularly striking in Randle’s favor. He seems to have put numbers but it didn’t provide wins. The only difference seems to be his assist rate in his favor. Other stats like rebounding (especially offensive) is in Kanter’s favor. Any insights from those who followed the dude?

To be fair I don't see how they are similar at all. Randle is elite going coast to coast. Has the ability to take people off the dribble and is a significantly better passer than Kanter. If you add in the fact that he started to shoot 3s last year (around 34% on 2.7 APG) stylistically they are nothing alike. The one commonality I can say is that they are both strong rebounders and not great defensively.

[BowlRips]

I will ask an honest question. I am not trying to troll. How different is Randle compared to Kanter? I haven’t followed his career much. I went through their advanced stats and didn’t see anything that is particularly striking in Randle’s favor. He seems to have put numbers but it didn’t provide wins. The only difference seems to be his assist rate in his favor. Other stats like rebounding (especially offensive) is in Kanter’s favor. Any insights from those who followed the dude?

Kanter couldnt play a lick of defense and was a complete liability on the pick n roll. As Devin Booker once said "pick n roll at 00 every time".

Don't think thats the case with Randle. While his defensive numbers last year werent all too impressive read this quote from a Lakers blog about Randles play in the 2nd half of 2018.

Defensive Impact

Besides being an elite offensive force, Randle has been a very impactful defender over the course of the season. Randle is second on the team in contested 2s per game and 4th overall in contested shots. Inside of 6 feet, Randle is second on the team in shots contested behind Lopez and players shoot 4% worse there than they normally do when contested by Randle. He has been solid helping in the paint all year despite his "T-Rex arms". His mobility, quickness, and positioning allow him to recover off his man to help the helper.

Randle's biggest contribution on defense is his ability to guard almost any player at any position. Some bigger guys like Embiid can take advantage of his lack of size, but Embiid will bully just about anybody. Julius does a great job at switching that often leads to an iso possession. According to Synergy, he allows just .854 PPP when defending isos which is in the 57th percentile. That may not seem great, but considering he defends that play type more than any other besides guarding the screener in PNRs, it is mightily impressive. Isolation plays are on average one of the least efficient play types in basketball.

With his ability to protect the paint well enough and switch onto smaller players on the perimeter, Randle puts himself in rare company. That is highly valuable in today's NBA because very few elite defenders have that combination. We are talking Joel Embiid, Anthony Davis, Paul Millsap, Draymond Green, Kevin Durant, Al Horford, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and maybe one or two other guys. That is about it. While Randle is not quite elite at both skill sets, he is very good at them and that alone makes him highly valuable. Sometimes it is better to be a B+ at every aspect instead of an A+ at a couple and a D+ at others.

Obviously, defense is far more complex than just switching and protecting the rim. It also includes closeouts, communication, boxing out, shading/playing angles, etc. According to Synergy in each play type that Randle defends a significant amount that includes P&R ball handler (whether it is defending the big or guard), isolation, P&R roll man, spot ups, post-ups, and off screens, Randle allows only above .9 PPP in one of those (spot ups at .942). That is incredible considering the worst offense in the NBA, the Sacramento Kings, average 1.013 PPP in total. Again, Randle's versatility allows him to defend multiple levels which makes him one of the most valuable defenders in the league.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I will ask an honest question. I am not trying to troll. How different is Randle compared to Kanter? I haven’t followed his career much. I went through their advanced stats and didn’t see anything that is particularly striking in Randle’s favor. He seems to have put numbers but it didn’t provide wins. The only difference seems to be his assist rate in his favor. Other stats like rebounding (especially offensive) is in Kanter’s favor. Any insights from those who followed the dude?

Randle is a face up guy that’s takes people off the dribble from the perimeter. Think better scoring Draymond without the elite defense and less playmaking.