Amile Jefferson signs 1yr deal (Shams)

[Knightro]

Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, I expect him to sign his rookie deal or get traded. Otherwise, it would be almost unprecedented for a rookie drafted as high as him to follow this strategy

I agree with you in the respect that I don’t think there’s necessarily a ton of incentive for Okeke to do it, but it would definitely be a “we scratched your back, now you scratch ours” if it were to happen.

I also don’t think there is any chance whatsoever the Magic or any other club would try and spring this on a player after they picked him. This would 100% be something they’d negotiate in advance before the pick was ever made (as much as they would legally be allowed to do so).

[drsd]

He's the best bench cheerleader since Q-Rich.

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[MoMM]

This would 100% be something they’d negotiate in advance before the pick was ever made (as much as they would legally be allowed to do so).

Maybe it's not allowed and that's why we won't hear anything about it from Okeke's camp or our FO, he will remain unsigned until next season.

[ezzzp]

The Magic now retain Bird Rights for Amile Jefferson. That means they can match any offer and resign him over-the-cap next summer when he hits restricted free agency. His salary does not count against the Magic's salary cap this year.

Amile Jefferson can also now be traded (in 30 days / August 19, 2019). In a trade, he functions like a draft pick in that his contract does not get factored into the transaction $ amount.

Incumbent Starters:
1 D.J. Augustin
2 Evan Fournier
3 Aaron Gordon
4 Jonathan Isaac
5 Nikola Vucevic

Rotation:
6 Michael Carter-Williams
7 Terrence Ross
8 Al-Farouq Aminu
9 Khem Birch

Potential Rotation:
10 Wesley Iwundu
11 Markelle Fultz
12 Mo Bamba

Injured / Inactive :
13 Melvin Frazier (IL)
14 Chuma Okeke (IL) unsigned
15

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Training Camp Invites:
16 Amile Jefferson (2 Way / G-League)
17 Josh Magette (2 Way / G-League)
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20

[Skybox]

Another athletic undersized pf? I think that makes six now, we should go for a dozen.

We'll be ready for the Knicks game.

[Skybox]

Another athletic undersized pf? I think that makes six now, we should go for a dozen.

We’re in an arms race with the Knicks - who can acquire the most PFs

Oh damn...beat me to it

[tiderulz]

how many bigs are we going to play with? who cares about wings and PG's, am i right?

[Knightro]

As it stands right now the Magic are $672,441 UNDER the luxury tax which means they cannot sign a player for the 15th spot without going into the luxury tax. The lowest possible contract that can be signed is $898,310 for a player with 0 years experience.

This is factoring in the full 120% scale for Okeke which is $3,121,080.

If Okeke signs for 100% of the rookie scale in year 1, that figure would be $2,600,900 and would free up $520,180 which would put the Magic $1,192,621 UNDER the tax which would be enough for a rookie with 0 years experience like Jeffries.

If Okeke signs for 80% of the rookie scale in year 1, that figure would be $2,080,720 and would free up $1,040,360 which would put the Magic $1,712,801 UNDER the tax which would be enough for a veteran minimum.

If Okeke doesn't sign at all and instead agrees to be stashed for a year, that would put the Magic $3,793,521 UNDER which would be enough to sign two players for the veteran minimum.

[tiderulz]

As it stands right now the Magic are $672,441 UNDER the luxury tax which means they cannot sign a player for the 15th spot without going into the luxury tax. The lowest possible contract that can be signed is $898,310 for a player with 0 years experience.

This is factoring in the full 120% scale for Okeke which is $3,121,080.

If Okeke signs for 100% of the rookie scale in year 1, that figure would be $2,600,900 and would free up $520,180 which would put the Magic $1,192,621 UNDER the tax which would be enough for a rookie with 0 years experience like Jefferies.

If Okeke signs for 80% of the rookie scale in year 1, that figure would be $2,080,720 and would free up $1,040,360 which would put the Magic $1712,801 UNDER the tax which would be enough for a veteran minimum.

If Okeke doesn't sign at all and instead agrees to be stashed for a year, that would put the Magic $3,793,521 UNDER which would be enough to sign two players for the veteran minimum.

i thought the CBA put something in place a few years ago, that vets playing on the min level didnt count against the salary cap, or something like that.

[Knightro]

i thought the CBA put something in place a few years ago, that vets playing on the min level didnt count against the salary cap, or something like that.

Yes and no. It's a prorated amount.

"The league reimburses clubs who sign veterans with three or more years of experience to one-year, minimum salary contracts. Those deals will only count against the cap – and against a team’s bank balance – for $1,620,564, the minimum salary for a player with two years of experience."

Years of Experience Minimum Salaries
0 $898,310
1 $1,445,697
2 $1,620,564
3 $1,678,854
4 $1,737,145
5 $1,882,867
6 $2,028,594
7 $2,174,318
8 $2,320,044
9 $2,331,593
10+ $2,564,753

This is what happened with Michael Carter-Williams. He's a 7 year veteran, so he's getting paid $2,174,318, but the league is paying $553,754 of that salary.

The remaining $1,620,564 still counts against the Magic's books.

[ezzzp]

how many bigs are we going to play with? who cares about wings and PG's, am i right?

its a G-L contract

[Gomagic44]

Jefferson is a G-league stud FWIW. He was leading scorer/rebounder and a major catalyst for our team making the Gleague finals. Stat line for the season was 18ppg/11.3rpg/3.8apg.

I’m not doubting you, but why are others saying he doesn’t even play his position well?


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[BadMofoPimp]

i thought the CBA put something in place a few years ago, that vets playing on the min level didnt count against the salary cap, or something like that.

Yes and no. It's a prorated amount.

"The league reimburses clubs who sign veterans with three or more years of experience to one-year, minimum salary contracts. Those deals will only count against the cap – and against a team’s bank balance – for $1,620,564, the minimum salary for a player with two years of experience."

Years of Experience Minimum Salaries
0 $898,310
1 $1,445,697
2 $1,620,564
3 $1,678,854
4 $1,737,145
5 $1,882,867
6 $2,028,594
7 $2,174,318
8 $2,320,044
9 $2,331,593
10+ $2,564,753

This is what happened with Michael Carter-Williams. He's a 7 year veteran, so he's getting paid $2,174,318, but the league is paying $553,754 of that salary.

The remaining $1,620,564 still counts against the Magic's books.

I thought Amille only has 1 year of NBA experience?

[Knightro]

I thought Amille only has 1 year of NBA experience?

I am not 100% positive on this, trying to find the definitive answer, but I believe Amile technically has two years of NBA experience because the Wolves called him up to their NBA club while he was on a two-way deal in March 2018.

He didn’t play in a game for the Wolves, but he was on the roster for a time so I think that still counts.

The Wolves also converted Amile’s contract to a full NBA contract right before the playoffs so he’d be eligible although they didn’t make it. But either way I believe that does still count.

It doesn’t matter a whole lot in the end because the Magic signed appear to have signed him to a another two-way deal and not a full NBA contract.

[BadMofoPimp]

The Magic now retain Bird Rights for Amile Jefferson. That means they can match any offer and resign him over-the-cap next summer when he hits restricted free agency. His salary does not count against the Magic's salary cap this year.

Amile Jefferson can also now be traded (in 30 days / August 19, 2019). In a trade, he functions like a draft pick in that his contract does not get factored into the transaction $ amount.

Incumbent Starters:
1 D.J. Augustin
2 Evan Fournier
3 Aaron Gordon
4 Jonathan Isaac
5 Nikola Vucevic

Rotation:
6 Michael Carter-Williams
7 Terrence Ross
8 Al-Farouq Aminu
9 Khem Birch

Potential Rotation:
10 Wesley Iwundu
11 Markelle Fultz
12 Mo Bamba

Injured / Inactive :
13 Melvin Frazier (IL)
14 Chuma Okeke (IL) unsigned
15

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Training Camp Invites:
16 Amile Jefferson (2 Way / G-League)
17 Josh Magette (2 Way / G-League)
18
19
20

I would move Iwundu up to rotation since he averages 18mpg and may improve since last season..

[Knightro]

I would move Iwundu up to rotation since he averages 18mpg and may improve since last season..

With Aminu in the mix now, I think Iwundu is going to lose his rotation spot.

There's appears to be a definite roster crunch for minutes on the horizon.

Augustin/Fournier/Gordon/Isaac/Vucevic are going to start, but typically Clifford has only played 4 bench players in his standard rotation.

One will be a backup PG - either MCW or Fultz depending on Fultz's health.

One will be a backup C - either Bamba or Birch depending on how much Mo has improved.

The other two spots will be guys to soak up the rest of the minutes at the 2/3/4. One of them will obviously be Ross. I think the other is definitely Aminu.

[spinedoc]

I would move Iwundu up to rotation since he averages 18mpg and may improve since last season..

With Aminu in the mix now, I think Iwundu is going to lose his rotation spot.

There's appears to be a definite roster crunch for minutes on the horizon.

Augustin/Fournier/Gordon/Isaac/Vucevic are going to start, but typically Clifford has only played 4 bench players in his standard rotation.

One will be a backup PG - either MCW or Fultz depending on Fultz's health.

One will be a backup C - either Bamba or Birch depending on how much Mo has improved.

The other two spots will be guys to soak up the rest of the minutes at the 2/3/4. One of them will obviously be Ross. I think the other is definitely Aminu.

I think this is spot on, and it only gets messier when Okeke gets healthy. My prayer is we get DLo, and I'm not sure what they are going to do with Green and the luxury tax. With Russell on the roster, they are already at the tax threshold before even thinking about a new contract for Draymond.

Edit: This sparked a trade idea.

[drsd]

The Magic now retain Bird Rights for Amile Jefferson. That means they can match any offer and resign him over-the-cap next summer when he hits restricted free agency. His salary does not count against the Magic's salary cap this year.

Amile Jefferson can also now be traded (in 30 days / August 19, 2019). In a trade, he functions like a draft pick in that his contract does not get factored into the transaction $ amount.

Incumbent Starters:
1 D.J. Augustin
2 Evan Fournier
3 Aaron Gordon
4 Jonathan Isaac
5 Nikola Vucevic

Rotation:
6 Michael Carter-Williams
7 Terrence Ross
8 Al-Farouq Aminu
9 Khem Birch

Potential Rotation:
10 Wesley Iwundu
11 Markelle Fultz
12 Mo Bamba

Injured / Inactive :
13 Melvin Frazier (IL)
14 Chuma Okeke (IL) unsigned
15

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Training Camp Invites:
16 Amile Jefferson (2 Way / G-League)
17 Josh Magette (2 Way / G-League)
18
19
20

After I agree with every word of your post, I will add that the Magic meet the league min. for 13 players. The league must average 14 players per team, but any given team can exist with only 13 players on ink.


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[Knightro]

After I agree with every word of your post, I will add that the Magic meet the league min. for 13 players. The league must average 14 players per team, but any given team can exist with only 13 players on ink.

If the Magic do in fact do a domestic stash with Okeke (not convinced this is happening), then there's like a 100% chance they'll sign a 14th player and at least a 50/50 chance they sign a 15th player.

Especially with the luxury tax not a concern at that point.

Coaches love having as many bodies as possible for practice. There's no way they'll roll with just 13.

[drsd]

After I agree with every word of your post, I will add that the Magic meet the league min. for 13 players. The league must average 14 players per team, but any given team can exist with only 13 players on ink.

If the Magic do in fact do a domestic stash with Okeke (not convinced this is happening), then there's like a 100% chance they'll sign a 14th player and at least a 50/50 chance they sign a 15th player.

Especially with the luxury tax not a concern at that point.

Coaches love having as many bodies as possible for practice. There's no way they'll roll with just 13.

If the Magic does not sign Okeke, how probable is it that the 14th slot goes to DaQuan Jeffries? And if not him, what combo-guard would be targeted at this point?


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