Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

[MagicBagley18]

I can’t believe you some of you guys want to give up on Brown already.

Jimmy Butler didn’t become Jimmy Butler until his fourth year in the league. Heck, Giannis didn’t become Giannis until his fourth year.

Before we dump Jaylen for an average backup Center, let’s see how the kid does in his fourth season, especially with no Kyrie around.

If he hasn’t taken the leap by the trade deadline, then sure, go ahead and fire up the trade machine.

I agree don’t just dump Jaylen....I want to trade him for an all star with his best years ahead of him not love or Blake. I also agree selling brown for certain players would be selling low. To be fair tho jimmy butler turned down the bulls original rookie extension and played his ass off and gambled on himself and then the bulls had to pay.

I could be wrong but I don’t think Jaylen will have that opportunity here or if he did would make that leap

[Triple7]

I can’t believe you some of you guys want to give up on Brown already.

Jimmy Butler didn’t become Jimmy Butler until his fourth year in the league. Heck, Giannis didn’t become Giannis until his fourth year.

Before we dump Jaylen for an average backup Center, let’s see how the kid does in his fourth season, especially with no Kyrie around.

If he hasn’t taken the leap by the trade deadline, then sure, go ahead and fire up the trade machine.

I agree don’t just dump Jaylen....I want to trade him for an all star with his best years ahead of him not love or Blake. I also agree selling brown for certain players would be selling low. To be fair tho jimmy butler turned down the bulls original rookie extension and played his ass off and gambled on himself and then the bulls had to pay.

I could be wrong but I don’t think Jaylen will have that opportunity here or if he did would make that leap

Yeah it would be pretty hard playing along with kemba, hayward, tatum and Kanter. All would want the ball in their hands. Can’t expect Jaylen to sacrifice this early in his career and expect him to develop.

[GoGreen]

I would trade Hayward and picks for Blake. We need to balance our roster. Having an unbalanced roster limits everyone. We saw that last year.

Kemba / Smart / Edwards
Brown / Smart / Langford
Tatum / Brown / Semi
Griffin / Theis / G Williams
Kanter / R Williams / Porier

That rotation features everyone at their natural position and we have some much needed talent at the big man positions. Having Tatum or Hayward play PF this year is going to hurt us. Kanter being your best big is not good enough if you want to be a contender.

I would do Brown for Sabonis or Isaac as well. We should do a small for big trade to balance the roster.

Roster imbalance is something I don't think is being talked about enough here. Too many perimeter players if Hayward starts at the 4. Griffin and Kantar can absolutely feast inside while the other 3 take care of the 3 ball and drive the lane.

[Triple7]

I would trade Hayward and picks for Blake. We need to balance our roster. Having an unbalanced roster limits everyone. We saw that last year.

Kemba / Smart / Edwards
Brown / Smart / Langford
Tatum / Brown / Semi
Griffin / Theis / G Williams
Kanter / R Williams / Porier

That rotation features everyone at their natural position and we have some much needed talent at the big man positions. Having Tatum or Hayward play PF this year is going to hurt us. Kanter being your best big is not good enough if you want to be a contender.

I would do Brown for Sabonis or Isaac as well. We should do a small for big trade to balance the roster.

This i agree. Get bigger.

[Asian Celtic]

We went from going after AD - > Horford - > Kanter - > Zeller.

Woopsie

[Triple7]

I would trade Hayward and picks for Blake. We need to balance our roster. Having an unbalanced roster limits everyone. We saw that last year.

Kemba / Smart / Edwards
Brown / Smart / Langford
Tatum / Brown / Semi
Griffin / Theis / G Williams
Kanter / R Williams / Porier

That rotation features everyone at their natural position and we have some much needed talent at the big man positions. Having Tatum or Hayward play PF this year is going to hurt us. Kanter being your best big is not good enough if you want to be a contender.

I would do Brown for Sabonis or Isaac as well. We should do a small for big trade to balance the roster.

Roster imbalance is something I don't think is being talked about enough here. Too many perimeter players if Hayward starts at the 4. Griffin and Kantar can absolutely feast inside while the other 3 take care of the 3 ball and drive the lane.

I’ll have to pass on Griffin. I bet he only plays half the games next year, and most likely will be under surgery by the time the playoffs start. Too risky so i’ll pass.

[Triple7]

We went from going after AD - > Horford - > Kanter - > Zeller.

Woopsie

This made me laugh. At least we had Kanter for cheap.

[GoGreen]

I would trade Hayward and picks for Blake. We need to balance our roster. Having an unbalanced roster limits everyone. We saw that last year.

Kemba / Smart / Edwards
Brown / Smart / Langford
Tatum / Brown / Semi
Griffin / Theis / G Williams
Kanter / R Williams / Porier

That rotation features everyone at their natural position and we have some much needed talent at the big man positions. Having Tatum or Hayward play PF this year is going to hurt us. Kanter being your best big is not good enough if you want to be a contender.

I would do Brown for Sabonis or Isaac as well. We should do a small for big trade to balance the roster.

Roster imbalance is something I don't think is being talked about enough here. Too many perimeter players if Hayward starts at the 4. Griffin and Kantar can absolutely feast inside while the other 3 take care of the 3 ball and drive the lane.

I’ll have to pass on Griffin. I bet he only plays half the games next year, and most likely will be under surgery by the time the playoffs start. Too risky so i’ll pass.

Can't say I blame you. I guess I'm just willing to take the risk

[Darth Celtic]

26 yrs old, 7' 240lbs, 25 mpg, 10.8 pts 6.8rbs, 2.2 a, 55% shooting, 27% from 3, Per of 17, .8bls, .8st, 3.3fouls
27 yrs old, 6'11" 250lbs, 25mpg, 13.7pts, 9.8rbs, 1.7a, 57% shooting, 30% from 3, Per of 22, .4bls, .5sts, 2.5fouls

One is signed for 2 years 14m, 15.5m
One is signed for 2 years, 4.8m, 4.9m

Are we seriously talking about trading the better of the 2 players getting paid 1/3 as much for the same amount of time?

**** the offseason around here sometimes. Do we just forget everything about the game of basketball and start throwing random trades out there because we are bored?

Yes, Kanter's box score stats are gaudy. Big whoop. Zeller's a better player.

Nah! I disagree. Kanter’s way way better than Zeller. Stats don’t lie.

Stats can lie. IE Smart. Eye test plus stats don't lie. kanter is better at everything. Zeller isn't a force on pick and roll defense either.

[Darth Celtic]

Miles Turner is laegely overrated in here. Decent, nothing special so far.

He balances out the floor, lower salary than GH. May not be everything we want, but better than Blake.

Agreed he is overrated, but he would fit in our team make up better than 5 wings.

[Froob]

We went from going after AD - > Horford - > Kanter - > Zeller.

Woopsie

Zeller -> Horford -> Zeller

Back to ground zero

[GoCeltics123]

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[Slartibartfast]

Yes, Kanter's box score stats are gaudy. Big whoop. Zeller's a better player.

Nah! I disagree. Kanter’s way way better than Zeller. Stats don’t lie.

Stats can lie. IE Smart. Eye test plus stats don't lie. kanter is better at everything. Zeller isn't a force on pick and roll defense either.

Zeller's not a "force" but he is solid. He moves his feet well. He anticipates well. He contests well.

Kanter does none of these things well. He's slow. He gets lazy. His instincts are poor. His contests are terrible. He's been one of the worst defensive players in the league for multiple years.

A guy who averages 19/12 per 36 for his career was available for the room exception for a reason. He is horrible defensively.

[LewisnotMiller]

Nah! I disagree. Kanter’s way way better than Zeller. Stats don’t lie.

Stats can lie. IE Smart. Eye test plus stats don't lie. kanter is better at everything. Zeller isn't a force on pick and roll defense either.

Zeller's not a "force" but he is solid. He moves his feet well. He anticipates well. He contests well.

Kanter does none of these things well. He's slow. He gets lazy. His instincts are poor. His contests are terrible. He's been one of the worst defensive players in the league for multiple years.

A guy who averages 19/12 per 36 for his career was available for the room exception for a reason. He is horrible defensively.

Ainge needs to pressure Adam Silver into giving us 90 timeouts per game. Then we just offense/defence sub Kanter with...err...Tacko??

Jesus, even in fantasy land I can't quite make this work.

[Green89]

I wouldn't trade Kanter for Zeller straight up for each other. Zeller is an utter mediocrity in my eyes. At least Kanter is exceptional at rebounding, and he's a pretty decent scorer. I have a feeling the Kanter we'll be seeing is close to what he showed in the playoffs for Portland, which was much better than Zeller has been. Kanter also once put up 33 pts and 22 boards against Embiid and the Sixers. I'm hoping Brad can work some magic with him on the defensive end. We'll see.

Zeller is boring yes, but Kanter is far more of a mediocrity. Zeller is not a great rebounder like Kanter, but he's solid. He's also a solid roll man and better at running in transition. Most importantly on defense Zeller is very well-rounded. He's got pretty quick feet, he contests well at the rim AND on the perimeter, he plays intelligently and with strong effort and he consistently makes the right play.

Kanter will score in the post and rebound all day, but he will also ruin your defensive integrity almost single-handed. He also needs to score to stay useful, meaning you have to feed him in the post and on the roll a fair amount, which diminishes some of the offensive utility off your other guys.

26 yrs old, 7' 240lbs, 25 mpg, 10.8 pts 6.8rbs, 2.2 a, 55% shooting, 27% from 3, Per of 17, .8bls, .8st, 3.3fouls
27 yrs old, 6'11" 250lbs, 25mpg, 13.7pts, 9.8rbs, 1.7a, 57% shooting, 30% from 3, Per of 22, .4bls, .5sts, 2.5fouls

One is signed for 2 years 14m, 15.5m
One is signed for 2 years, 4.8m, 4.9m

Are we seriously talking about trading the better of the 2 players getting paid 1/3 as much for the same amount of time?

**** the offseason around here sometimes. Do we just forget everything about the game of basketball and start throwing random trades out there because we are bored?

Slart's been on a roll lately. First Siakam for Tatum and now Zeller for Kanter.

[Slartibartfast]

Stats can lie. IE Smart. Eye test plus stats don't lie. kanter is better at everything. Zeller isn't a force on pick and roll defense either.

Zeller's not a "force" but he is solid. He moves his feet well. He anticipates well. He contests well.

Kanter does none of these things well. He's slow. He gets lazy. His instincts are poor. His contests are terrible. He's been one of the worst defensive players in the league for multiple years.

A guy who averages 19/12 per 36 for his career was available for the room exception for a reason. He is horrible defensively.

Ainge needs to pressure Adam Silver into giving us 90 timeouts per game. Then we just offense/defence sub Kanter with...err...Tacko??

Jesus, even in fantasy land I can't quite make this work.

Theis and RWIII are our only decent defensive options (from what I've read on Poirier) and they are both easily overpowered.

Zeller would be what Amir was for us the first year, probably a little better (Amir's wheels were in worse shape when he got to us)

[Afam]

‪Jayson Tatum has a lot to prove next season. He needs to cut down on the iso's, fadeaways. He should take one, two dribbles, three the most, and take it to the hoop. Slash to the basket, and work on his 3 point game, and shoot more 3's. Cut to the basket too.‬ You can't win in the NBA playing that way, being an iso player, and relying on it too much.

[zimpy27]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

[Triple7]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

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I don’t like roberson. That guy’s shooting is horrible. I think brown can be as good defensively if he tried.

[zimpy27]

Give: Smart, Hayward, Langford
Get: Roberson, Gallo, Adams

Kemba | Wanamaker | Edwards
Roberson | Brown
Tatum | Williams
Gallo | Theis | Semi
Adams | Kanter | RW3


What's the feel on a move like this?

m

I don’t like roberson. That guy’s shooting is horrible. I think brown can be as good defensively if he tried.

Roberson was the best perimeter defender the game has seen in the last 5 years. Brown could never be that level. Roberson is coming back injured though and he may never get back to that level.

Regardless, this trade was more for the others.