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How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#1 » by dsg2021 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:39 pm

How do you rank our team's assets for this next season?

We've done some form of this exercise in past years. Let's keep it simple this summer.

Instead of pretending to know what each is worth, let's rank their asset value as simply good, neutral, or bad, and as in comparison to each other. Add a short reason/description if you like!
My opinion of our top asset this year? Jonathan Isaac!

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Good Assets
1.
2.
3.
and so forth..

Neutral Assets
..

Bad Assets
..

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My list:
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1. Jonathan Isaac - I think he's the kind of player that for some reason is going to end up winning a lot in his career. Everything about him screams it. Especially in the playoffs.

2. ORL's Future 1st Rounders; All Owned - Not owing any of your own future 1st round picks is becoming awfully big these days. The less restrictions you have in sending out future picks, the more you can make a deal really happen. Since ORL is not a perennial playoffs team yet, they're even more attractive.

3. Aaron Gordon - I see J.I. and A.G. as a two-man core of the team. I think their length and 2-way abilities are very unique in this league, and force-multiply together. A decreasing contract seals the deal as an insanely good asset for me.

4. Nikola Vučević - Why is Vooch this high? An ESPN analyst said it best this summer, "No one is thinking twice about contracts for bigs into their 30's anymore. (They play longer careers than other positions now)." Vooch has already been very consistent in his career. But if he keeps playing All Star consistent on a decreasing contract?.. He'd be moving up in this list (again).

5. Mo Bamba - Literally the most perfect skill-sets for today's modern NBA big; one that's not trapped to just one side of the floor. Actually, scratch that.. he has more height and reach than you could even hope for in a modern NBA big today.

6. Terrence Ross - Played amazing defense his first year in ORL. Played amazing offense his second year in ORL. Now he's a sharp-shooting, savvy veteran on a really great contract value. I love the BS irony that if I put him in the LA or NY market, he finishes top 3 as 6th Man of the Year, but in ORL he finishes top 10 in the voting. Good grief.

7. ORL's Future 2st Rounders; All Owned + One LAL - "I need more ammo!"

8. Evan Fournier - Yes, the down year last season happened. But I agreed with his and Coach Cliff's sentiments that he actually grew in other areas like passing and defense. He is always a labelled sharp shooter out on the floor, with some added passing ability, craftiness, and high bball IQ. Those are becoming really valuable pieces to put around star players these days.. He's got only 1-2 years left on his deal, so this is his contract year if he's thinking of a new, long deal.

9. Chuma Okeke - He's got the kind of length and skill-sets everyone wants today when wings are becoming the most popular position. Really makes an identity for the team as a trio with A.G. and J.I. Insert irrational die-hard Magic fan reasoning here for why he's going to kill it in the NBA and waiting up to one year on his recovery. Going to be the steal of the 1st round in the 2019 draft.

10. Khem Birch - This big doesn't space it out to 3 land or have much "youth" on his side anymore at 26-27 years old, but I think that was literally about it for his negatives.. Huge-time hustler and an effective big off the bench. And at 3 mil per for 2 years? Love it. This feels like Marcin Gortat all over again.

11. Al-Farouq Aminu - A really great value signing for ORL. He's the veteran wing everyone is raging about as the meta today; a tall, lengthy and defensive wing with the ability to space it out. Only 28, and basically posted his best 3P%, DWS (defensive win shares) and REB's to date in his last two seasons.

12. D.J. Augustin - Rounds out the last of my good assets, but he's higher on the list if this is a year where 'expiring deals' or 'a veteran PG/shooter for the playoffs' is in demand. Unlike other guards, his shooting is consistently improving as he ages, adding to his veteran presence. Posted his best TS%, 3P%, AST, AST/TO yet last season, basically. Also basically stole a playoffs game from eventual champion, TOR. Can he be your team's FVV off the bench this year?
(Trivia: Basketball-Reference's top 3 similarity scores for D.J. are Lou Williams, Jameer Nelson, and Jalen Rose!)

Neutral Assets
13. Markelle Fultz - 'Quick Wash' Fultz is currently training for the role as president of a business that makes the best tasting bowls of crow for customers to eat. Is the recently turned 21 year old going to be #1 on this list in 1.5 or 2 years?.. that would make him an untouchable core piece and All Star guard.

14. Wesley Iwundu - I believe this young 2nd round wing made some noise last season in advanced stats and adept eye-ball tests with many flashes of elite perimeter defense and a consistent level of all-out hustle. His Per36 was .367 3P% for about 1.00 3PM, .816 FT% for 3.0 FTA, at 10 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, 1 SPG, and 0.6 BPG. I like it!

15. Michael Carter-Williams - He showed last season that he can still have a big impact off the bench in games, even with a broken shot. Felt like he really made things finally click for himself as an NBA player by posting basically his best PER, lowest USG% (usage), and highest AST% (assisting teammates) to date last season in ORL. (Minimum contract)

16. Melvin Frazier - 22 year old, 2nd round 6'6 SG. Posted .417 3P%, .465 FG%, 1.6 SPG and 12.1 PPG in the G League last year. (Minimum rookie-scale contract)

Bad Assets

17. None but if I'm nitpicking, a 5.5mil cap hit from Mozgov for each of the seasons of 2020-21 and 2021-22 could become sucky later on. Also, this is not tradeable in any sense of the word, either.. hey, wait a minute.. if we're talking about untradeable assets here, then let's include.. 1) the ownership family's open pockets for ORL tax teams historically, 2) ORL as a popular NBA offseason city, 3) ORL, FL as a great taxes and weather haven for NBA players, 4) ORL's rich and winning history. 8-)



Is this the first time we've ever had not one single bad asset in the history of our franchise?! This was one of the main reasons I found it really interesting to (re)make this thread for discussion.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#2 » by Ducklett » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:42 am

1. Isaac
2. AG
3. Bamba
4. Okeke
5. Birch
6. DJ (Expiring)
7. Vuc
8. Ross
9. Aminu
10. Fultz (Still ???)
11. Publix Chicken Tender Sub
12. MCW

13. Stuff



14. Pepe



15. Sixth Man Jersey


LAST/DEAD WORST. Evan
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#3 » by nicnac215 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:08 am

Good Assets
Issac
Vuc
Gordon
Bamba
Ross
Okeke
DJ
Aminu
2020 1st

Neutral Assets
Fournier
Birch
Wes

Bad Assets
Fultz (I personally don’t think he is but to other teams)
MCW
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#4 » by Furinkazan » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:06 am

Good Assets
1.Gordon
2.Isaac
3.Bamba
4.2020 1st
5.Ross
6.DJ
7.Okeke

Neutral Assets
1.Fournier
2.Aminu
3.Vuc
4.Birch


Bad Assets

I dont think we have bad assets

and this was my best >Furin is optimist and a homer in pink glasses version/impression


now propably more realistic one and close to how people across the league think

Good
1.AG
2.Isaac
3.Bamba
4.20'pick
5.Ross
Neutral
1.DJ
2.Aminu
3.Birch
4.Okeke
Bad
everyone else

tho you could move DJ up
Iwundu/Frazier might be neutral too as they are paid peanuts
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#5 » by drsd » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:41 am

dsg2021 wrote:How do you rank our team's assets for this next season?


For me the question compares the capacity of a player to their contract. (i.e. trade-ability to gain in return).
In that vein.


Good Assets
Gordon
Isaac
Vučević
Bamba
Ross
Fultz
Birch
Aminu

From here I think some are over-rating the expiring players and low-end guys. Also: the draft pick is being well over-valued. Given that the Magic looks to draft in the 16-20 range, that is a bench player. Okeke has lower value until proven healthy.

Neutral Assets
2020 First
Okeke's draft rights
Fournier
Augustin
Iwundu
Frazier
Iwundu
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#6 » by dsg2021 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:32 pm

So even the people here who completely disagree with ORL's rebuilding path can't really put anything under "bad assets" ?

Hmm, that's what it seems so far.
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Post#7 » by Furinkazan » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:23 pm

We are not objective here as we are homers.Ask on G.B but results might kill your confidence.
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Post#8 » by Shady Franchise » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:12 pm

Furinkazan wrote:We are not objective here as we are homers.Ask on G.B but results might kill your confidence.


I agree. The only positive assets on the GB would be Isaac, Bamba and the 2020 1st. Fans on the GB think Gordon, Vuc, and Ross are over priced, Okeke is injured, DJ and Fournier blow, and Fultz is 6 feet under in some cemetery.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#9 » by VFX » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:15 pm

Good assets
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Isaac
AG

Neutral Assets
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Vučević
Ross
Aminu
2020 1st
DJ
Bamba
Okeke’s rights
Birch
Frazier
Iwundu
MCW
Fultz

Negative Assets
___________
Fournier


Mostly neutral assets. Fournier is only “bad” because of his price / contract length for what he actually provided last season.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#10 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:08 pm

Shady Franchise wrote:
Furinkazan wrote:We are not objective here as we are homers.Ask on G.B but results might kill your confidence.


I agree. The only positive assets on the GB would be Isaac, Bamba and the 2020 1st. Fans on the GB think Gordon, Vuc, and Ross are over priced, Okeke is injured, DJ and Fournier blow, and Fultz is 6 feet under in some cemetery.


Ehh I'm not too sure about that.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#11 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:40 pm

Definition of "asset" - a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality.

Great Assets

1. Jonathan Isaac
2. Aaron Gordon

Good Assets

3. Mo Bamba
4. '20 FRP
5. Terrence Ross
6. Khem Birch
7. Wes Iwundu

Neutral Assets (which mean they can still be traded for positive value)

8. DJ Augustine
9. Chuma Okeke
10. Evan Fournier
11. Nikola Vucevic
12. Al Fariq Aminu
13. Markelle Fultz

We do not have any negative assets on our current roster.
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Post#12 » by OrlandoNed » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:52 pm

dsg2021 wrote:So even the people here who completely disagree with ORL's rebuilding path can't really put anything under "bad assets" ?

Hmm, that's what it seems so far.

True, there may not be much to put under bad assets but the issue is that the good assets category is just as light. Just like our roster, there are a lot of decent pieces but nothing particularly special.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#13 » by Audi » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:48 pm

OP needs some clarification as "assets" are contextual. For instance - a fat expiring contract, even if the player is garbage - is a 'good asset' in terms of trade value and future cap room. In the context of on floor impact, it's just horrible bench filler. Likewise, there are PGs out there that would undoubtedly help our roster ("good asset") but carry contracts none of us would touch ("bad asset").
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Post#14 » by tiderulz » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:55 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Definition of "asset" - a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality.

Great Assets

1. Jonathan Isaac
2. Aaron Gordon

Good Assets

3. Mo Bamba
4. '20 FRP
5. Terrence Ross
6. Khem Birch
7. Wes Iwundu

Neutral Assets (which mean they can still be traded for positive value)

8. DJ Augustine
9. Chuma Okeke
10. Evan Fournier
11. Nikola Vucevic
12. Al Fariq Aminu
13. Markelle Fultz

We do not have any negative assets on our current roster.

its all perception. Outside of the Orlando fan forum, Evan is viewed as a negative asset.

to me

Good Asset - good player, not outrageously paid or too old
AG
Vuc
Ross
DJ
Isaac - still viewed as more potential than anything else
FRP - in between neutral and good asset, depending on if we make playoffs again

Neutral Asset - older, unproven or slightly overpaid
Chuma
Aminu
Birch
Bamba
Evan - somewhere between neutral/negative. needs to return to form this next year

Negative Asset - overpaid or negative floor impact
Fultz - until we see him play
MCW - good energy, but that is all he brings
Frazier
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#15 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:08 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Definition of "asset" - a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality.

Great Assets

1. Jonathan Isaac
2. Aaron Gordon

Good Assets

3. Mo Bamba
4. '20 FRP
5. Terrence Ross
6. Khem Birch
7. Wes Iwundu

Neutral Assets (which mean they can still be traded for positive value)

8. DJ Augustine
9. Chuma Okeke
10. Evan Fournier
11. Nikola Vucevic
12. Al Fariq Aminu
13. Markelle Fultz

We do not have any negative assets on our current roster.

its all perception. Outside of the Orlando fan forum, Evan is viewed as a negative asset.

to me

Good Asset - good player, not outrageously paid or too old
AG
Vuc
Ross
DJ
Isaac - still viewed as more potential than anything else
FRP - in between neutral and good asset, depending on if we make playoffs again

Neutral Asset - older, unproven or slightly overpaid
Chuma
Aminu
Birch
Bamba
Evan - somewhere between neutral/negative. needs to return to form this next year

Negative Asset - overpaid or negative floor impact
Fultz - until we see him play
MCW - good energy, but that is all he brings
Frazier


There were credible reports (several actually) that we could have traded Fournier as a salary dump and most recently for Harkless plus a protected FRP. I agree thats the outside "fan perception" but in actuality and by all reports Evan still looks like he hold some value (its all in context too and what kind of salary is coming back etc.)

I also don't get how MCW can be viewed as a negative asset lol. He's a good energy, long defensive backup PG thats on a min. contract. Not saying he will bring back a James Harden caliber player, but he def. isnt a negative asset (meaning we would have to give value to simply get rid of him). Fultz however I can probably agree with you.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#16 » by tiderulz » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:25 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Definition of "asset" - a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality.

Great Assets

1. Jonathan Isaac
2. Aaron Gordon

Good Assets

3. Mo Bamba
4. '20 FRP
5. Terrence Ross
6. Khem Birch
7. Wes Iwundu

Neutral Assets (which mean they can still be traded for positive value)

8. DJ Augustine
9. Chuma Okeke
10. Evan Fournier
11. Nikola Vucevic
12. Al Fariq Aminu
13. Markelle Fultz

We do not have any negative assets on our current roster.

its all perception. Outside of the Orlando fan forum, Evan is viewed as a negative asset.

to me

Good Asset - good player, not outrageously paid or too old
AG
Vuc
Ross
DJ
Isaac - still viewed as more potential than anything else
FRP - in between neutral and good asset, depending on if we make playoffs again

Neutral Asset - older, unproven or slightly overpaid
Chuma
Aminu
Birch
Bamba
Evan - somewhere between neutral/negative. needs to return to form this next year

Negative Asset - overpaid or negative floor impact
Fultz - until we see him play
MCW - good energy, but that is all he brings
Frazier


There were credible reports (several actually) that we could have traded Fournier as a salary dump and most recently for Harkless plus a protected FRP. I agree thats the outside "fan perception" but in actuality and by all reports Evan still looks like he hold some value (its all in context too and what kind of salary is coming back etc.)

I also don't get how MCW can be viewed as a negative asset lol. He's a good energy, long defensive backup PG thats on a min. contract. Not saying he will bring back a James Harden caliber player, but he def. isnt a negative asset (meaning we would have to give value to simply get rid of him). Fultz however I can probably agree with you.

Harkless is a negative asset also, imo on his contract. that FPR would be in the mid-20's. MCW is a bad asset because he cant shoot at a pivotal position of PG. 6 out of his 10 years, he shot less than 40% from the field (just over 36%). that is why he is a negative. teams can sag off him completely. he just is not a good player.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#17 » by Ducklett » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:58 am

tiderulz wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Definition of "asset" - a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality.

Great Assets

1. Jonathan Isaac
2. Aaron Gordon

Good Assets

3. Mo Bamba
4. '20 FRP
5. Terrence Ross
6. Khem Birch
7. Wes Iwundu

Neutral Assets (which mean they can still be traded for positive value)

8. DJ Augustine
9. Chuma Okeke
10. Evan Fournier
11. Nikola Vucevic
12. Al Fariq Aminu
13. Markelle Fultz

We do not have any negative assets on our current roster.

its all perception. Outside of the Orlando fan forum, Evan is viewed as a negative asset.

to me

Good Asset - good player, not outrageously paid or too old
AG
Vuc
Ross
DJ
Isaac - still viewed as more potential than anything else
FRP - in between neutral and good asset, depending on if we make playoffs again

Neutral Asset - older, unproven or slightly overpaid
Chuma
Aminu
Birch
Bamba
Evan - somewhere between neutral/negative. needs to return to form this next year

Negative Asset - overpaid or negative floor impact
Fultz - until we see him play
MCW - good energy, but that is all he brings
Frazier



Vuc and Ross I think are Neutral assets for their first year and/or until they prove that the contract year wasn't why their stats were up. When/if they do or as Vuc's contract goes down, I think their value goes up.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#18 » by The Real Dalic » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:06 pm

Furinkazan wrote:We are not objective here as we are homers.Ask on G.B but results might kill your confidence.

While we're definitely biased here when it comes to our assets, the GB isn't any better. They are overly negative and reactive. It's mostly "what have you done for me lately" over there. The Magic, Kings, Hawks, etc. Didn't have good assets to them until they show they have good assets/players.

Remember all the fans laughing at the Hawks for trading Doncic for Young? Now they're saying they'll run the East. How about them laughing at the Sixers for tanking? Now they're saying that they're one of the favorites in the East.
Same thing with the Bucks having limited upside a couple of years ago. I could keep going, but the point is that they're not the best at judging. I don't trust the general boards opinions when it comes to us at all. Give me the more informed Magic fan over them any day.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#19 » by The Real Dalic » Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:59 am

tiderulz wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Definition of "asset" - a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality.

Great Assets

1. Jonathan Isaac
2. Aaron Gordon

Good Assets

3. Mo Bamba
4. '20 FRP
5. Terrence Ross
6. Khem Birch
7. Wes Iwundu

Neutral Assets (which mean they can still be traded for positive value)

8. DJ Augustine
9. Chuma Okeke
10. Evan Fournier
11. Nikola Vucevic
12. Al Fariq Aminu
13. Markelle Fultz

We do not have any negative assets on our current roster.

its all perception. Outside of the Orlando fan forum, Evan is viewed as a negative asset.

to me

Good Asset - good player, not outrageously paid or too old
AG
Vuc
Ross
DJ
Isaac - still viewed as more potential than anything else
FRP - in between neutral and good asset, depending on if we make playoffs again

Neutral Asset - older, unproven or slightly overpaid
Chuma
Aminu
Birch
Bamba
Evan - somewhere between neutral/negative. needs to return to form this next year

Negative Asset - overpaid or negative floor impact
Fultz - until we see him play
MCW - good energy, but that is all he brings
Frazier

Curious as to why you have Bamba as a neutral asset? He is unproven, but aren't most rookies/second year players? I would bet most teams would like to give up some of their good assets to pick him up. He's got elite size, length, and could be an elite shotblocker. He's got great range for a Center, he's quick and agile for a big as well.

He needs to learn defensive positioning for sure, but he's definitely got sky high potential. This is coming from someone who didn't even want to draft him and was disappointed in his rookie season.
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Re: How Would You Rank ORL's Assets This Year? 

Post#20 » by tiderulz » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:25 am

The Real Dalic wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Definition of "asset" - a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality.

Great Assets

1. Jonathan Isaac
2. Aaron Gordon

Good Assets

3. Mo Bamba
4. '20 FRP
5. Terrence Ross
6. Khem Birch
7. Wes Iwundu

Neutral Assets (which mean they can still be traded for positive value)

8. DJ Augustine
9. Chuma Okeke
10. Evan Fournier
11. Nikola Vucevic
12. Al Fariq Aminu
13. Markelle Fultz

We do not have any negative assets on our current roster.

its all perception. Outside of the Orlando fan forum, Evan is viewed as a negative asset.

to me

Good Asset - good player, not outrageously paid or too old
AG
Vuc
Ross
DJ
Isaac - still viewed as more potential than anything else
FRP - in between neutral and good asset, depending on if we make playoffs again

Neutral Asset - older, unproven or slightly overpaid
Chuma
Aminu
Birch
Bamba
Evan - somewhere between neutral/negative. needs to return to form this next year

Negative Asset - overpaid or negative floor impact
Fultz - until we see him play
MCW - good energy, but that is all he brings
Frazier

Curious as to why you have Bamba as a neutral asset? He is unproven, but aren't most rookies/second year players? I would bet most teams would like to give up some of their good assets to pick him up. He's got elite size, length, and could be an elite shotblocker. He's got great range for a Center, he's quick and agile for a big as well.

He needs to learn defensive positioning for sure, but he's definitely got sky high potential. This is coming from someone who didn't even want to draft him and was disappointed in his rookie season.

because he already has a little health issue, isnt good on defense (which all he has to do is hold his hands up and he can affect shots) and isnt that great on offense. His numbers were not great across the board. Now he is a rookie and a project, so i dont view him as a negative yet, but i dont view him positive either. and I may be wrong, but most 2nd year players you are starting to get an idea what they might develop into. I dont think we know what Bamba will develop into yet.

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