The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1

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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#301 » by Dr Spaceman » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:45 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Can someone clarify whether a buy out salary hits the team's salary cap all in one year or over the same number of years as the contract? For instance, if bought out, would CP's salary remain on OKC's books for 3 years or the full amount included in one year?


As I understand it the buyout is just the team waiving the player’s contract while negotiating the salary to a lower amount. That’s why you never see it done with more than 1 year remaining on the contract. So the Thunder would take the full cap hit for three years minus whatever he decided to give back. If they wave and stretch the money is divided over a time period of (2xremaining years +1).

If I’m wrong though someone please correct me.
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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#302 » by SeniorWalker » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:13 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
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Basileus777 wrote:OKC isn't paying him 100 million to not play for them. That scenario is a complete and utter fantasy. Why would anyone believe that the OKC ownership would do this? A gigantic buyout wouldn't even save them from the luxury tax, they'd sooner package picks with Paul to ship him out than do this. Or wait a year or two until his contract becomes tradeable or more easily stretched.

This post goes over what Stephen A. Smith talked about.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/cc5yk2/oc_how_much_money_does_okc_need_to_pay_cp3_to_buy/

According to him OKC is more than willing to do it. But Paul wants a trade, and predictably all his money.

I suspect it will happen.


I like SAS as an actor/entertainer, but it's more likely for me to have sources within the Thunder than for him to do so.

I get your point about SAS but to imply that he cant have any sources is not true. SAS exaggerates A LOT of what he knows but he clearly does have a relationship with many current and former players, including hall of fame players.

The issue with him, again, is that because he does actually know some people he acts like he knows way more than he actually.does in every situation. Which to him doesnt matter because he's there for primarily entertainment purposes, not hard journalism.
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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

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Post#304 » by ardee » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:41 pm

I am telling you guys, he is going to get bought out. A rebuilding team does not want a guy like this on their books. Even aside from the attitude stuff, he is still good enough to win a few games by himself every season and that is not the kind of guy you need when tanking.

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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#305 » by ardee » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:42 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
ShotCreator wrote:
Basileus777 wrote:OKC isn't paying him 100 million to not play for them. That scenario is a complete and utter fantasy. Why would anyone believe that the OKC ownership would do this? A gigantic buyout wouldn't even save them from the luxury tax, they'd sooner package picks with Paul to ship him out than do this. Or wait a year or two until his contract becomes tradeable or more easily stretched.

This post goes over what Stephen A. Smith talked about.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/cc5yk2/oc_how_much_money_does_okc_need_to_pay_cp3_to_buy/

According to him OKC is more than willing to do it. But Paul wants a trade, and predictably all his money.

I suspect it will happen.


I like SAS as an actor/entertainer, but it's more likely for me to have sources within the Thunder than for him to do so. The Thunder are probably going to try to take on bad contracts over the next couple of years while receiving compensation for it. They won't waste 1/3 of the cap for completely dead salary just so Paul can go ringchase somewhere else. I think that's absurd and complete out of the question.


SAS is a character but he's probably one of the most powerful sports media personalities right now. Don't underestimate him. The man is single-handedly keeping CNN afloat. He most likely exaggerates some of his "close personal friends" but a good number of them are likely legit and keep him in the know. He broke LeBron to Miami. The man has serious sources.
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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#306 » by Pillendreher » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:53 pm

ardee wrote:I am telling you guys, he is going to get bought out.


He can't. Paul makes 35 % of the cap. And the guy literally "rigged" things so he could make this kind of money right now. He's not going to leave 50+ million on the table.
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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#307 » by iggymcfrack » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:07 pm

No way OKC takes that huge of a hit on CP3. He’s still eminently tradeable to the right team. Thunder could do something like:

Paul + Patterson for Millsap + Barton

or

Paul, Gallo, and Muscala for Wiggins, Teague, and Dieng plus 3 1st rounders and 2 pick swaps

Something like that. Definitely better than just eating a ridiculous amount of salary. Hell, the Thunder trying to compete for a playoff spot in a small market is better than just eating $100MM of salary for nothing.
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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#308 » by Dr Spaceman » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:50 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
ardee wrote:I am telling you guys, he is going to get bought out.


He can't. Paul makes 35 % of the cap. And the guy literally "rigged" things so he could make this kind of money right now. He's not going to leave 50+ million on the table.


Someone will get desperate at the deadline and trade for him. There is 0 reason to buy him out. Hell the Lakers might work out a 3 team deal, they can send out just enough salary to take on his contract.
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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#309 » by kazyv » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:15 pm

from the get go, for a buyout to happen, cp3 has to leave 44m on the table at the very least. he has to decline his third year option. if i'm thunder FO, three years of dead cap is a no go. but if it's 2 years and you get 44m off the cap a year earlier? now this might be something worth considering
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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#310 » by TroubleS0me » Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:41 pm

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Post#311 » by Lost92Bricks » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:35 am



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Post#312 » by TroubleS0me » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:42 pm

all star this season?
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Post#313 » by eminence » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:57 pm

It'll be tough but not impossible in the West (team not good enough to make it easy, but his play will probably be good enough). If he gets traded East I imagine it'll be a breeze. Assuming health obviously.
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Post#314 » by Lost92Bricks » Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:24 am

Should be an all-star.
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Post#315 » by Pelly24 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:32 am

It's funny, he's having easy All-Star level impact, and it's leaning closer to All-NBA. About 17/5/7 with less than two turnovers on 60 TS% on a would-be rebuilding team. CP3's been at least a top 20 player this year. Rockets were probably better off with him in the regular season, but with the nagging injuries that seem to derail him at the most inopportune time every year, i get it.
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Post#316 » by Ballerhogger » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:09 am

Crazy how thunder are 7th seed right now
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Post#317 » by Baski » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:15 am

Houston got the worse player
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Post#318 » by eminence » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:32 pm

Yeah, he's still a stud and Houston are still dumb. Looking like a 3rd team all NBA guy so far this season to my eye.
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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#319 » by Bad Gatorade » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:55 pm

Lost92Bricks wrote:Should be an all-star.


Based on his play so far, absolutely.

Some people might look at his On-Off, which seems underwhelming relative to his usual standards, but it's influenced heavily by the fact that teams are somehow shooting 38.1% from 3 against OKC when he's on, and 25.9% when he's off (that's a difference of 12.2%!). That is a bizarrely high differential, both for CP3's career and for any player, really. At this point in the season, most players are within +/- 5% for this statistic, which drops closer to 2-3% across a full season, with the biggest results hitting around 5% for all reasonable minute players. In other words, he's had a stupid amount of defensive "bad luck" that has influenced these results. He's been clearly better than he was last year.

The most amazing thing to me is just how well he has adapted to a team with other high-usage perimeter players. He starts off shooting 9.4 FGA and 2.9 FTA per 36 at the start of the game, and ramps this up gradually to 16.9 and 5.5 in the 4th quarter. In the clutch, he has been taking 22.5 FGA and 6.3 FTA for 32.5 PP36, with 6.3 AST to only 2.5 TO. A good part of clutch performance is sheer chance/small sample size theatre, but the dramatic increase in volume jibes very well with what I've watched - he has let guys like Shai and Adams get engaged earlier on, and then takes over. But watching OKC, Shai/Schroder also manage to "get theirs" and play an integral role throughout the game, whether or not CP3 is taking it easy, or trying to take over himself, and we've seen this in games where Shai/Schroder still play an integral role in the closing minutes of games. Shai is currently brimming with confidence, and Schroder is playing his best ball ever.

But at the same time, he has kept Shai/Schroder at around 24% usage (which is lower for both than when CP3 is off) and help generate shots for guys like Adams/Gallo, who are more efficient finishers. He's done really well to manage a variety of shot creators and scoring talents, keeping them engaged throughout the game, whilst still generating good shots for himself and for the team.

He did something similar, yet different with Harden the past couple of years. With Houston, he basically alternated between being some kind of super Patrick Beverley/shorter Draymond Green playing alongside Harden, and then practically turned into Harden (honestly, look at his per 36 mins/100 possession numbers and it's not a crazy claim) when Harden hit the bench. But I'm just as impressed with this - he's been sharing the court with SGA or Schroder practically all the time, often both, and yet he's managed to find a really nice balance between his own production and the production of his other shot creating teammates. I was impressed with how well he magically seemed to swap roles with Houston, but I'm also impressed with how he's managed alongside the other shot creators in OKC.
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Re: The CP3 Thread 18-19 Part 1 

Post#320 » by thekdog34 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:01 pm

eminence wrote:Yeah, he's still a stud and Houston are still dumb. Looking like a 3rd team all NBA guy so far this season to my eye.


He and harden were not getting along. I think the rockets fo knew they were downgrading a bit

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