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Report: NBA opens investigation into tampering following ‘tense’ owners meeting
By Dan FeldmanJul 23, 2019, 1:13 PM EDT
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Kyrie Irving (Nets), Kemba Walker (Celtics) and Derrick Rose (Pistons) appeared to have their next teams lined up before free agency officially began. The Celtics reportedly complained about the 76ers tampering with Al Horford. Several other players agreed to terms so quickly after free agency began 6 p.m. June 30, it’s impossible to believe the deals weren’t pre-arranged.

NBA commissioner Adam Silver said free-agency rules should be revised and enforced.

The league will also investigate.

Zach Lowe and Brian Windhorst of ESPN:

Within days, the league opened an investigation centered on the timing of some of the earliest reported free-agency deals on June 30, sources familiar with the matter told ESPN.com. The scope of that investigation is developing. It is expected to include interviews with players and possibly agents and team employees, sources say.

The investigation followed a tense owners meeting, which multiple sources described to ESPN.

In the midst of it, Rick Buchanan, the NBA’s longtime general counsel, issued an evenhanded but sobering message to the room, multiple sources said.

Buchanan told the governors that as partners they were entitled to expect all teams to abide by a common set of enforceable rules for free agency — and that the league office would come back with a proposal for a revised set of rules that would then be strictly enforced. He asked the group if they were comfortable with the league “seizing servers and cellphones,” a line that stuck with many in attendance, according to sources who recounted the scene later.

It’s unclear whether this investigation will be punitive, exploratory or both.

Teams and players are absolutely violating the written rules. Some teams occasionally get punished. The rules are arbitrarily enforced, which is unfair. This investigation could lead to widespread punishment, though proving which teams did and didn’t tamper would be difficult. If it goes this route, expect uneven enforcement.

I’m with Silver: The rules should be enforced. An easy way to do that is writing the rules to match what currently occurs. As much griping as everyone does, the system mostly works. It’d work even better if everyone were on the same page about what is and isn’t allowed. So, this investigation could uncover details of how free agency actually happens. Then, the rules could be tailored around that.

This is clearly trending toward allowing contact with free agents sooner. That’s already happening, anyway. And billionaire team owners sure don’t want their privacy invaded for strict enforcement of a more-prohibitive system.

Tricky questions remain, though.

How will the NBA handle players tampering with each other? That’s forbidden by the Collective Bargaining Agreement, but Silver has practically said he’ll allow it. And it happens plenty. I’d prefer it becomes officially allowed. Having unenforced rules can lead to selective enforcement.

When will teams and free agents be permitted to contact each other? Seasons end at different times, depending how far teams advance. Even with the starting period moved up, some teams will still seek an edge.

So, there’s no perfect solution.

But there are obvious problems with conditions now. It sounds like the NBA might finally be addressing them.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/07/23/report-nba-opens-investigation-into-tampering-following-tense-owners-meeting/

[GONYK]

Unless you do something about players tampering, which you can't, then tampering is a joke and mostly unenforceable.

[Knicksfan1992]

I didn't see anybody complaining when DRAYMOND had Mitch ranked so high.

I didn't even check for their DRAYMOND rankings. Of course Mitch is going to rank highly in that stat because if i'm not mistaken it basically ranks you based on the opponents fg% when you're the nearest by defender with a couple other variables thrown in there... again that doesn't cover Mitch's technique, foul proneness and other problems with Mitch so far. Anybody with 2 eyes can see Mitch alters shots well that he actually gets too..IDK what you expect either of course Knicks fans are going to be happy when a national organization holds a young player in high regard. Being condescending about that is kinda dickish tbh.

You trashed their stats when it doesn't work in the Knicks favor. Where's your post trashing 538 stats when they do.

It's dickish to highlight the hypocrisy?

You dudes are hitting the extreme levels now

What are you talking about dude? I said I don't like 538 IN GENERAL. The article you posted is a RINGER article. I trashed the Ringer staff because I find their coverage in general to be a little amateurish outside of Kevin O'Connor and I feel they've had a bias against the Knicks this offseason but thsi is the really only time I've expressed that sentiment. Literally in the post you quoted me I listed some of Mitch's concerns defensively so I'm not blindly defending Mitch either... I think it's you that's gone off the deep end searching for any Knick homer you can find to tear down

[Jalen Bluntson]

I didn't even check for their DRAYMOND rankings. Of course Mitch is going to rank highly in that stat because if i'm not mistaken it basically ranks you based on the opponents fg% when you're the nearest by defender with a couple other variables thrown in there... again that doesn't cover Mitch's technique, foul proneness and other problems with Mitch so far. Anybody with 2 eyes can see Mitch alters shots well that he actually gets too..IDK what you expect either of course Knicks fans are going to be happy when a national organization holds a young player in high regard. Being condescending about that is kinda dickish tbh.

You trashed their stats when it doesn't work in the Knicks favor. Where's your post trashing 538 stats when they do.

It's dickish to highlight the hypocrisy?

You dudes are hitting the extreme levels now

What are you talking about dude? I said I don't like 538 IN GENERAL. The article you posted is a RINGER article. I trashed the Ringer staff because I find their coverage in general to be a little amateurish outside of Kevin O'Connor and I feel they've had a bias against the Knicks this offseason but thsi is the really only time I've expressed that sentiment. Literally in the post you quoted me I listed some of Mitch's concerns defensively so I'm not blindly defending Mitch either... I think it's you that's gone off the deep end searching for any Knick homer you can find to tear down

Calling someone dickish is dickish....wait...what?

[god shammgod]

I didn't see anybody complaining when DRAYMOND had Mitch ranked so high.

I didn't even check for their DRAYMOND rankings. Of course Mitch is going to rank highly in that stat because if i'm not mistaken it basically ranks you based on the opponents fg% when you're the nearest by defender with a couple other variables thrown in there... again that doesn't cover Mitch's technique, foul proneness and other problems with Mitch so far. Anybody with 2 eyes can see Mitch alters shots well that he actually gets too..IDK what you expect either of course Knicks fans are going to be happy when a national organization holds a young player in high regard. Being condescending about that is kinda dickish tbh.

You trashed their stats when it doesn't work in the Knicks favor. Where's your post trashing 538 stats when they do.

It's dickish to highlight the hypocrisy?

You dudes are hitting the extreme levels now

he fudged his own stats though, he didn't include all the players under 25. because if you added the score of every young player on the knicks they would win on the sheer amount of young players they have. so he picked only certain ones to include to make his argument. this was a blatant hit piece. he even admits in the beginning he wrote the article to prove to his colleagues that the knicks don't have a good young core.

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[Capn'O]

I didn't even check for their DRAYMOND rankings. Of course Mitch is going to rank highly in that stat because if i'm not mistaken it basically ranks you based on the opponents fg% when you're the nearest by defender with a couple other variables thrown in there... again that doesn't cover Mitch's technique, foul proneness and other problems with Mitch so far. Anybody with 2 eyes can see Mitch alters shots well that he actually gets too..IDK what you expect either of course Knicks fans are going to be happy when a national organization holds a young player in high regard. Being condescending about that is kinda dickish tbh.

You trashed their stats when it doesn't work in the Knicks favor. Where's your post trashing 538 stats when they do.

It's dickish to highlight the hypocrisy?

You dudes are hitting the extreme levels now

What are you talking about dude? I said I don't like 538 IN GENERAL. The article you posted is a RINGER article. I trashed the Ringer staff because I find their coverage in general to be a little amateurish outside of Kevin O'Connor and I feel they've had a bias against the Knicks this offseason but thsi is the really only time I've expressed that sentiment. Literally in the post you quoted me I listed some of Mitch's concerns defensively so I'm not blindly defending Mitch either... I think it's you that's gone off the deep end searching for any Knick homer you can find to tear down

O'Connor is good. Tjarks has a cool name.

[K_ick_God]

Sort of related to this Ringer piece, I think it's really interesting how me-first players and confident players have a fine line between them.

For Trier and it seems RJ, they're confident shooters, but they're also willing passers. Or maybe it's that they just know how to make the team game work around their scoring. They have a clear sense of it I think/hope. Trier is actually a skilled passer and he didn't seem to chuck in the sense of taking impossible OR out of rhythm shots like a JR or even a Melo. I think RJ too has a good rhythm even though he also has a scorer's mentality.

I don't even know that Melo was that selfish or didn't want to win, but he didn't seem to have that sense of when to pass and when to shoot, or maybe it's even finer and more granular than that: Just the intrinsic basketball sense of when moving the ball would open up the game and keep defenses honest, and when to take it on and get a score.

It's really a chess match in that regard, and it's not as simple as a guy who shoots too much or a guy who passes a lot. It's more than that for sure, but hard to quantify -- or even to describe. But you sort of know it when you see it.

[dakomish23]

I didn't even check for their DRAYMOND rankings. Of course Mitch is going to rank highly in that stat because if i'm not mistaken it basically ranks you based on the opponents fg% when you're the nearest by defender with a couple other variables thrown in there... again that doesn't cover Mitch's technique, foul proneness and other problems with Mitch so far. Anybody with 2 eyes can see Mitch alters shots well that he actually gets too..IDK what you expect either of course Knicks fans are going to be happy when a national organization holds a young player in high regard. Being condescending about that is kinda dickish tbh.

You trashed their stats when it doesn't work in the Knicks favor. Where's your post trashing 538 stats when they do.

It's dickish to highlight the hypocrisy?

You dudes are hitting the extreme levels now

What are you talking about dude? I said I don't like 538 IN GENERAL. The article you posted is a RINGER article. I trashed the Ringer staff because I find their coverage in general to be a little amateurish outside of Kevin O'Connor and I feel they've had a bias against the Knicks this offseason but thsi is the really only time I've expressed that sentiment. Literally in the post you quoted me I listed some of Mitch's concerns defensively so I'm not blindly defending Mitch either... I think it's you that's gone off the deep end searching for any Knick homer you can find to tear down

538 is mostly trash to be honest as well. I think their stats are generally terrible with terrible rationalization for certain things.

m

Those are you words.

Did I miss when you or anyone questioned the 538 stats when they made a Knicks player look good? Same dudes who post them when they’re good for us are the same ones celebrating your 538 rant.

No one here agrees with the ranking. Bashing the stats when they don’t work in your favor but celebrating them when they do is hypocrisy.

Idgaf about you or anyone being a homer. Its your fandom. Do you. The homers are the ones who have a problem with someone not being a homer.

[dakomish23]

I didn't even check for their DRAYMOND rankings. Of course Mitch is going to rank highly in that stat because if i'm not mistaken it basically ranks you based on the opponents fg% when you're the nearest by defender with a couple other variables thrown in there... again that doesn't cover Mitch's technique, foul proneness and other problems with Mitch so far. Anybody with 2 eyes can see Mitch alters shots well that he actually gets too..IDK what you expect either of course Knicks fans are going to be happy when a national organization holds a young player in high regard. Being condescending about that is kinda dickish tbh.

You trashed their stats when it doesn't work in the Knicks favor. Where's your post trashing 538 stats when they do.

It's dickish to highlight the hypocrisy?

You dudes are hitting the extreme levels now

he fudged his own stats though, he didn't include all the players under 25. because if you added the score of every young player on the knicks they would win on the sheer amount of young players they have. so he picked only certain ones to include to make his argument. this was a blatant hit piece. he even admits in the beginning he wrote the article to prove to his colleagues that the knicks don't have a good young core.

What does that have to do with celebrating stats by 538 when it’s pro Knicks and bashing it when it’s not?

The article is not one I agree with and I haven’t looked into the numbers to see why / how we dropped that far.

[Sark]

They probably didn't include Randle because he will essentially be 25 for this season. His birthday is in November. He age 24 season was 2018/19.

[K_ick_God]

They'll continue to write bad articles about us until we win some games. The Knicks are the Yankees without the success ... a lot of haters but also we have lost a ton of games.

[Knicksfan1992]

You trashed their stats when it doesn't work in the Knicks favor. Where's your post trashing 538 stats when they do.

It's dickish to highlight the hypocrisy?

You dudes are hitting the extreme levels now

What are you talking about dude? I said I don't like 538 IN GENERAL. The article you posted is a RINGER article. I trashed the Ringer staff because I find their coverage in general to be a little amateurish outside of Kevin O'Connor and I feel they've had a bias against the Knicks this offseason but thsi is the really only time I've expressed that sentiment. Literally in the post you quoted me I listed some of Mitch's concerns defensively so I'm not blindly defending Mitch either... I think it's you that's gone off the deep end searching for any Knick homer you can find to tear down

538 is mostly trash to be honest as well. I think their stats are generally terrible with terrible rationalization for certain things.

m

Those are you words.

Did I miss when you or anyone questioned the 538 stats when they made a Knicks player look good? Same dudes who post them when they’re good for us are the same ones celebrating your 538 rant.

No one here agrees with the ranking. Bashing the stats when they don’t work in your favor but celebrating them when they do is hypocrisy.

Idgaf about you or anyone being a homer. Its your fandom. Do you. The homers are the ones who have a problem with someone not being a homer.

Dude I think you need to just chill out in general... my point about 538 had nothing to do with the Knicks or any specific player on the Knicks. I think their stats stink period... whether they like the Knicks or hate the Knicks. I said as much in my post. The topic just so happened to come up from a negative Knicks article that you put up from the Ringer... I was responding to Cap who was critical of the 538 stats because i agreed with his premise.

I could care less who celebrates my 538 "rant" which lasted exactly 2 sentences on a Knicks fan forum... Like get a grip my man. You're not leading any crusade against the boogeyman that is the hypocrisy of a Knicks fan. You're a smart dude but you need to chill out and stop jumping down people's throats on here. It's off-putting as fuq...

[Cookies4Life]

What are you talking about dude? I said I don't like 538 IN GENERAL. The article you posted is a RINGER article. I trashed the Ringer staff because I find their coverage in general to be a little amateurish outside of Kevin O'Connor and I feel they've had a bias against the Knicks this offseason but thsi is the really only time I've expressed that sentiment. Literally in the post you quoted me I listed some of Mitch's concerns defensively so I'm not blindly defending Mitch either... I think it's you that's gone off the deep end searching for any Knick homer you can find to tear down

538 is mostly trash to be honest as well. I think their stats are generally terrible with terrible rationalization for certain things.

m

Those are you words.

Did I miss when you or anyone questioned the 538 stats when they made a Knicks player look good? Same dudes who post them when they’re good for us are the same ones celebrating your 538 rant.

No one here agrees with the ranking. Bashing the stats when they don’t work in your favor but celebrating them when they do is hypocrisy.

Idgaf about you or anyone being a homer. Its your fandom. Do you. The homers are the ones who have a problem with someone not being a homer.

Dude I think you need to just chill out in general... my point about 538 had nothing to do with the Knicks or any specific player on the Knicks. I think their stats stink period... whether they like the Knicks or hate the Knicks. I said as much in my post. The topic just so happened to come up from a negative Knicks article that you put up from the Ringer... I was responding to Cap who was critical of the 538 stats because i agreed with his premise.

I could care less who celebrates my 538 "rant" which lasted exactly 2 sentences on a Knicks fan forum... Like get a grip my man. You're not leading any crusade against the boogeyman that is the hypocrisy of a Knicks fan. You're a smart dude but you need to chill out and stop jumping down people's throats on here. It's off-putting as fuq...

That guy is an awful poster. If everyone isn't agreeing with his Knick negativity than you're a homer with an extremely bias disposition. It's cringe worthy stuff really. I don't know how some of you have the patience to deal with his drivel. I'll leave it at that....

[Adelheid]

Oooh NBA investigation has cometh. Relinquish thy picks!

[god shammgod]

You trashed their stats when it doesn't work in the Knicks favor. Where's your post trashing 538 stats when they do.

It's dickish to highlight the hypocrisy?

You dudes are hitting the extreme levels now

he fudged his own stats though, he didn't include all the players under 25. because if you added the score of every young player on the knicks they would win on the sheer amount of young players they have. so he picked only certain ones to include to make his argument. this was a blatant hit piece. he even admits in the beginning he wrote the article to prove to his colleagues that the knicks don't have a good young core.

What does that have to do with celebrating stats by 538 when it’s pro Knicks and bashing it when it’s not?

The article is not one I agree with and I haven’t looked into the numbers to see why / how we dropped that far.

you're arguing for it but you didn't look into it ?

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[dakomish23]

What are you talking about dude? I said I don't like 538 IN GENERAL. The article you posted is a RINGER article. I trashed the Ringer staff because I find their coverage in general to be a little amateurish outside of Kevin O'Connor and I feel they've had a bias against the Knicks this offseason but thsi is the really only time I've expressed that sentiment. Literally in the post you quoted me I listed some of Mitch's concerns defensively so I'm not blindly defending Mitch either... I think it's you that's gone off the deep end searching for any Knick homer you can find to tear down

538 is mostly trash to be honest as well. I think their stats are generally terrible with terrible rationalization for certain things.

m

Those are you words.

Did I miss when you or anyone questioned the 538 stats when they made a Knicks player look good? Same dudes who post them when they’re good for us are the same ones celebrating your 538 rant.

No one here agrees with the ranking. Bashing the stats when they don’t work in your favor but celebrating them when they do is hypocrisy.

Idgaf about you or anyone being a homer. Its your fandom. Do you. The homers are the ones who have a problem with someone not being a homer.

Dude I think you need to just chill out in general... my point about 538 had nothing to do with the Knicks or any specific player on the Knicks. I think their stats stink period... whether they like the Knicks or hate the Knicks. I said as much in my post. The topic just so happened to come up from a negative Knicks article that you put up from the Ringer... I was responding to Cap who was critical of the 538 stats because i agreed with his premise.

I could care less who celebrates my 538 "rant" which lasted exactly 2 sentences on a Knicks fan forum... Like get a grip my man. You're not leading any crusade against the boogeyman that is the hypocrisy of a Knicks fan. You're a smart dude but you need to chill out and stop jumping down people's throats on here. It's off-putting as fuq...

The hypocrisy is far from a boogeyman and I am not leading any crusade against it.

It just exists. Call me whatever you want for acknowledging it’s existence.

[dakomish23]

he fudged his own stats though, he didn't include all the players under 25. because if you added the score of every young player on the knicks they would win on the sheer amount of young players they have. so he picked only certain ones to include to make his argument. this was a blatant hit piece. he even admits in the beginning he wrote the article to prove to his colleagues that the knicks don't have a good young core.

What does that have to do with celebrating stats by 538 when it’s pro Knicks and bashing it when it’s not?

The article is not one I agree with and I haven’t looked into the numbers to see why / how we dropped that far.

you're arguing for it but you didn't look into it ?

Who’s arguing for their number totals?

I’m acknowledging the existence of the hypocrisy to celebrate the numbers when they’re pro Knicks and bash them when they’re not.

Two completely different things. Nice try

[dakomish23]

m

Those are you words.

Did I miss when you or anyone questioned the 538 stats when they made a Knicks player look good? Same dudes who post them when they’re good for us are the same ones celebrating your 538 rant.

No one here agrees with the ranking. Bashing the stats when they don’t work in your favor but celebrating them when they do is hypocrisy.

Idgaf about you or anyone being a homer. Its your fandom. Do you. The homers are the ones who have a problem with someone not being a homer.

Dude I think you need to just chill out in general... my point about 538 had nothing to do with the Knicks or any specific player on the Knicks. I think their stats stink period... whether they like the Knicks or hate the Knicks. I said as much in my post. The topic just so happened to come up from a negative Knicks article that you put up from the Ringer... I was responding to Cap who was critical of the 538 stats because i agreed with his premise.

I could care less who celebrates my 538 "rant" which lasted exactly 2 sentences on a Knicks fan forum... Like get a grip my man. You're not leading any crusade against the boogeyman that is the hypocrisy of a Knicks fan. You're a smart dude but you need to chill out and stop jumping down people's throats on here. It's off-putting as fuq...

That guy is an awful poster. If everyone isn't agreeing with his Knick negativity than you're a homer with an extremely bias disposition. It's cringe worthy stuff really. I don't know how some of you have the patience to deal with his drivel. I'll leave it at that....

What's cringe worthy is your ignorance is bliss fandom.

You're the same dude who was complaining b/c I acknowledged the existence of the bad decision to stretch Noah and it's long term effects.

Go back to sticking your head in the ground.