OT: General OT Thread [NO POLITICS OR RELIGION]

[HaroldinGMinor]

Fact is these guys wouldn’t be fighting unless if people paid to watch it. So, sorry to say, if you watched it you are indeed (in part) morally culpable. You are the sole reason they are fighting. You just gotta own it.

The goal of other sports is not to literally injure the opponent until he can no longer go on. Accidents happen. I’m sure someone has died playing badminton. It’s not a reasonable extension of the goal of the sport though.

Boxing is a great outlet for rich people to watch poor people beat each other until one is so injured that he can’t stand. That’s it.

Um, prettttttttttttttty sure Mayweather and McGregor are, you know, richer and more well-positioned financially than 99% of their viewers. I mean wtf do you think watching NCAA basketball is? Your comments are near comical at this point. And, my man, like I said this ‘moral culpability’ goes back millenia. Your opinions, again, well they’re just opinions. Keep hugging them close. I’ll take Foreman, Frazier, and Ali 7 days a week. And stay morally culpable to their greatness. But, you know, they boxed. And, gasp. People watched.

Edit: also, many many fighters fight because they fight -. You’ve clearly never known a golden gloves competitor. The good ones, just as in other sports, earn the opportunity to get to the place of potentially making money. You disagree with the nature of what constitutes this ‘sport’. But, man, you’re socioeconomic points are just so filled with holes.

I'd be curious to know what percentage of professional boxers are able to make a decent living.

[midranger]

1. Pays money to watch guys try to injure each other for own entertainment. Wants no blame when guys succeed in injuring each other.

2. Calls boxing a calling. One that just never happens to call anyone but the poor or otherwise downtrodden looking to escape their current horrifying situation. Never, ever, ever, in the history of the sport calling an upper middle class white guy. Meanwhile, tells story of cat who died trying to escape his current lousy situation in Russia and get his family a home to live in.

3. Takes victory lap by extolling greatness of Ali who died unable to walk or talk or think.

[bizarro]

Fact is these guys wouldn’t be fighting unless if people paid to watch it. So, sorry to say, if you watched it you are indeed (in part) morally culpable. You are the sole reason they are fighting. You just gotta own it.

The goal of other sports is not to literally injure the opponent until he can no longer go on. Accidents happen. I’m sure someone has died playing badminton. It’s not a reasonable extension of the goal of the sport though.

Boxing is a great outlet for rich people to watch poor people beat each other until one is so injured that he can’t stand. That’s it.

Um, prettttttttttttttty sure Mayweather and McGregor are, you know, richer and more well-positioned financially than 99% of their viewers. I mean wtf do you think watching NCAA basketball is? Your comments are near comical at this point. And, my man, like I said this ‘moral culpability’ goes back millenia. Your opinions, again, well they’re just opinions. Keep hugging them close. I’ll take Foreman, Frazier, and Ali 7 days a week. And stay morally culpable to their greatness. But, you know, they boxed. And, gasp. People watched.

Edit: also, many many fighters fight because they fight -. You’ve clearly never known a golden gloves competitor. The good ones, just as in other sports, earn the opportunity to get to the place of potentially making money. You disagree with the nature of what constitutes this ‘sport’. But, man, you’re socioeconomic points are just so filled with holes.

I'd be curious to know what percentage of professional boxers are able to make a decent living.

It’s not a high percentage. At all. Believe me. I grew up in a family of athletes. On my mother’s side, she had three brothers. One was a world class weightlifter while the two others, gasp, boxed. They were amazing men. They both retired young into different professions and never ‘made it’ though for times it was their dream. Her youngest brother, Gregory, died of many issues very young. Unlike his brothers, he never boxed but probably took steroids. Like anything, there are far too many layers and fabrics to make sweeping statements and judgments about what constitutes validity or worthiness. They got into boxing because Eunice was sick and tired of their fighting and troublemaking. Their father was a Milwaukee police Captain who died of a heart attack when they were young.

But, you know, culpability and all.

[bizarro]

1. Pays money to watch guys try to injure each other for own entertainment. Wants no blame when guys succeed in injuring each other.

2. Calls boxing a calling. One that just never happens to call anyone but the poor or otherwise downtrodden looking to escape their current horrifying situation. Never, ever, ever, in the history of the sport calling an upper middle class white guy. Meanwhile, tells story of cat who died trying to escape his current lousy situation in Russia and get his family a home to live in.

3. Takes victory lap by extolling greatness of Ali who died unable to walk or talk or think.

You can address me directly or quote me or PM me OR you can number contentious points amd speak them to the void.

I know the dynamics of boxing as I grew up close to the gym life (not personally) but vicariously through my uncles. It isn’t high brow. And, yes, it is filled with poverty and tough circumstances.

I take no victory laps. I merely point to you, what I perceive to be, very myopic one-sided opinion on something that is actually filled to the brim with humans and their humanity. You are entitled to your opinions. I respect that. I am not trying to ‘win’ anything.

I’ll take the high road here. You have every right to not enjoy humans strategically hitting each other with the aims of making the other quit - often by means of knockout...sometimes by death. I support this view. I don’t share it. So we disagree.

[midranger]

You have every right to not enjoy humans strategically hitting each other with the aims of making the other quit - often by means of knockout...sometimes by death. I support this view. I don’t share it.

I guess this is the crux. My original point though was that if this is what you enjoy, I don't think you get to walk away after and wash your hands of it. You own your piece of it. There is or will be a similar reckoning coming of NFL fans.

I truly am sorry I went down the rabbit hill of discussing the merits of boxing/MMA in general. Not really my intention. I fully acknowledge it exists and I fully acknowledge it has been an outlet in the live's of countless youths across the globe who otherwise may have engaged in even more destructive behavior. The structure, mentoring, and harnessing of energy is certainly a net positive for many/most. I do think that the same same process and energy could be applied to something more constructive/positive but that's not really even a discussion worth having.

[Pachinko_]

This is me 3 steps on a ladder.

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That was me on this thing in Singapore. Every body else was strolling casually, admiring the view, and I was walking exactly in the center of the pathway looking only straight ahead and sweating bullets.

[bizarro]

You have every right to not enjoy humans strategically hitting each other with the aims of making the other quit - often by means of knockout...sometimes by death. I support this view. I don’t share it.

I guess this is the crux. My original point though was that if this is what you enjoy, I don't think you get to walk away after and wash your hands of it. You own your piece of it. There is or will be a similar reckoning coming of NFL fans.

I truly am sorry I went down the rabbit hill of discussing the merits of boxing/MMA in general. Not really my intention. I fully acknowledge it exists and I fully acknowledge it has been an outlet in the live's of countless youths across the globe who otherwise may have engaged in even more destructive behavior. The structure, mentoring, and harnessing of energy is certainly a net positive for many/most. I do think that the same same process and energy could be applied to something more constructive/positive but that's not really even a discussion worth having.

It’s all good. We get passionate here. It’s allowed. I mean, there is definitely truth in what you’re saying. It’s a very deep rabbit hole.

[vegaspacker]

When I worked at the Las Vegas Trauma Center I saw, first hand, some really sad endings of careers and productive life.

We would get all of the knockout victims, and major injuries from the highly sanctioned fights and would do the post fight medical care. If you consider the past 12 years... I probably spoke with the majority of the victims, and victors.

A few resulted in hemi-plegia, and some death. I know a few trainers, promoters, and boxers in town, that life is ridiculous. Rarely does it end well.

The most treacherous path is that of a cat that can take punches. Think 'Korean Zombie' or Gatti 'types'... these guys get thrown to the wolves. Resilience is just a moniker for punching bag, these guys are sought after to make up and comers look good.

They're unwittingly in the game as the promoters push the unrealistic opportunity ideals on them. How they get these poor people to keep pushing on is criminal.

Pimping the fight game is easy, desperate times for desperate measures.

Many dudes put their life on the line for a couple hundred of dollars. Sanctioned bodies are sometimes called into question also. Some on site ct scans reveal a previous ct scan that would indicate a need to eliminate said fighter from ever fighting again. Yet, the commission approved the contest.

Two of my colleagues are ringside docs. I was offered a cut man spot for WEC back in their hay day. Couldn't do it.

[Pachinko_]

I think people will fight no matter what. I can't think of a human society that didn't have fighting as a sport or ritual or contest or training or what have you, it's just part of who we've always been since the beginning of time. And I think it's ok to watch it, it's human nature, it's exciting as a sport, and it will happen anyway.

What I think is wrong and I am totally against is commercialising it and making it about money. That's when it gets out of hand IMO and people don't stop when they know they should. But I also know it's impossible to stop it, people will find ways to pay fighters no matter what.

[humanrefutation]

Is it just me or are there a ton of people out there who just don't know how to wash dishes? When I'm at work, I'm constantly having to rewash our shared mugs/plates/utensils before using them because I'll find leftover dirt on them.

[Ryan5UW]

Probably less not knowing how to wash dishes, more (sadly) just not giving a ****.

[worthlessBucks]

Is it just me or are there a ton of people out there who just don't know how to wash dishes? When I'm at work, I'm constantly having to rewash our shared mugs/plates/utensils before using them because I'll find leftover dirt on them.

Really noticed this while on vacation with family where there was no dishwasher. Pretty gross. Refusal to acknowledge that things weren't getting clean..also annoying as eff. Laziness. People have to do dishes fast and get back to their phones!

[midranger]

My first job was scrubbing pots and pans in a large kitchen. Steel scrubbers hurt like hell until you callous properly. I still get them **** spotless. Can’t same the same for anyone else I know.

[ReasonablySober]

I admit to not cleaning well enough (according to my new roommate). I didn't pre-rinse adequately enough before the dishes hit the dishwasher (I thought I did fine). The stuff I've always been diligent about is my cast iron, stainless steel, carbon steel, and my chef's knives. The stuff gets scrubbed and put away immediately.

[Pachinko_]

On the list of disgusting things in life, dishes with tiny traces of food rank pretty low. At the end of the day it's just food. What I can't get over is the fact that suits essentially never get get washed in their lifetime, only sprayed with steam and chemicals but never actually washed, until they become a nice mix of polyester, chemicals and balls sweat LOL. I hate suits, I swear it has literally affected my career path that I have subconsciously avoided positions where I'd have to wear a suit. Uncomfortable, disgusting, and they leave exposed the parts of the body where it's most annoying to feel cold, the chest and belly.

[humanrefutation]

Is it just me or are there a ton of people out there who just don't know how to wash dishes? When I'm at work, I'm constantly having to rewash our shared mugs/plates/utensils before using them because I'll find leftover dirt on them.

Really noticed this while on vacation with family where there was no dishwasher. Pretty gross. Refusal to acknowledge that things weren't getting clean..also annoying as eff. Laziness. People have to do dishes fast and get back to their phones!

Perhaps it's a bit of low-grade PTSD on my part from growing up with parents who made me rewash dishes I didn't do well the first time, but like 95% of the time I'll find stains/crumbs/dirt on dishes at my office.

It's part of a larger epidemic where people are just inconsiderate when using shared items. You want to act like a slob in your personal living quarters? Fine, you do you. But if you're living/working/staying with others, you need to be more considerate.

I had a roommate when I was in college who was a total slob. He confined his slobbery to his bedroom most of the time, which was fine with me, but I remember what happened when we both moved for our summer jobs in other parts of the country. I moved out about a week before he did because my job started sooner. When I came back to our shared apartment in August, I discovered pots, pans, and dishes in the sink that had not been washed for two months. The smell was awful. And on top of that, there were flies and bugs all over the place that came from the kitchen window he never closed. It was a total horror show, and the dirt was so crusted on to some of the pans that I had to toss them. They were relatively cheap pans that I bought, but still, walking into that place and seeing that was **** up.

He apologized, but never offered to reimburse me for the pots and pans he ruined. I resolved right then and there to never live with another guy again.

[dbrodz7]

Had an appointment to go to Fore on Water Street this afternoon with some coworkers and the place is dark with doors locked even though the website says they're open. Phone goes straight to voicemail. Got ahold of the owner who says they don't normally open till after the website says they do and he'll send someone down. We waited a full hour and nobody ever showed up. What a worthless POS that guy is.

[midranger]

I did Fore once cause a buddy needed a fill in. It was surreal bad. The owner was blasting terrible EDM and had no idea how to work the sims. We couldn’t putt or chip. The bar was filthy and I think they squeezed 3 urinals into a 4x4 bathroom. Would not do again.

[jute2003]

Probably less not knowing how to wash dishes, more (sadly) just not giving a ****.

I think this is the answer more often than not for most aggravating things. :-/

[tyland]

On the list of disgusting things in life, dishes with tiny traces of food rank pretty low. At the end of the day it's just food. What I can't get over is the fact that suits essentially never get get washed in their lifetime, only sprayed with steam and chemicals but never actually washed, until they become a nice mix of polyester, chemicals and balls sweat LOL. I hate suits, I swear it has literally affected my career path that I have subconsciously avoided positions where I'd have to wear a suit. Uncomfortable, disgusting, and they leave exposed the parts of the body where it's most annoying to feel cold, the chest and belly.

Your first mistake is buying polyester suits. You should only by wool or, at worse, a wool blend that has a bit of give.

A good suit (not necessarily expensive) fits well and is comfortable.