Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals

[Darth Celtic]

All this talk of Lakers and Celtics in the Finals is ludicrous. The Celtics might not make it out of the Semifinals. You have teams that are better than them in the East:
76ers
Bucks
Raptors
Pacers

Only the sixers and bucks are better for now.

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

and that's why the professionals at caesars palace put out win odds for the season with Boston at 49.5 and the Nets 47. But that's Ok bro, you do you, you have all the answers in the world and nothing you say is ever wrong. Except everything you say. Even your own fans on the Nets board blast you for acting like your opinions are fact and it can only be that way.

Your schtick is old and tired and even fans of your own team point it out. Let alone every other person on the GB.

The Celtics won't be missing the playoffs this year, get over it.

[Soulyss]

Maybe in NBA 2k?

[Feed Your Head]

Only the sixers and bucks are better for now.

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

and that's why the professionals at caesars palace put out win odds for the season with Boston at 49.5 and the Nets 47. But that's Ok bro, you do you, you have all the answers in the world and nothing you say is ever wrong. Except everything you say. Even your own fans on the Nets board blast you for acting like your opinions are fact and it can only be that way.

Your schtick is old and tired and even fans of your own team point it out. Let alone every other person on the GB.

The Celtics won't be missing the playoffs this year, get over it.

[StojkoVrankovic]

All this talk of Lakers and Celtics in the Finals is ludicrous. The Celtics might not make it out of the Semifinals. You have teams that are better than them in the East:
76ers
Bucks
Raptors
Pacers

Only the sixers and bucks are better for now.

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

nobody believes you

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Didn't we have a thread about the Celtics making the finals last year?

I could swear one of them said the exact same thing last year.

[TheBoi10]

Tatum and the Celtics are still overrated I see

[Prokorov]

Only the sixers and bucks are better for now.

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

Orlando beat Celtics like the owned them last year. Toronto has owned the Celtics for seems like decade. Pacers we will see but if healthy they could be dangerous. Boston has owned 76ers. Miami don't think they will be that good without big trade. Boston could win the east with one trade and innovating coaching.

well of course, a trade could shift things. as it stands they are looking like a 6-10 seed more then 1 -5 seed. head to head also doesnt matter until the playoffs. philly will finish ahead of boston even if boston beats them 4 times in the RS.

Also, philly shoudl dominate boston this year. Horford/Baybes were like kryptonite for embiid. now horford is his teammate and boston has arguably the worst defensive starting center in the league if kanter starts

[Prokorov]

Only the sixers and bucks are better for now.

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

nobody believes you

no one believed me when i said the ECF celtics wont be as good when kyrie/heyward return because not enough shots ot go around

no one believed me when i said there was a 0.0% chance kyrie would be back

no one believed me when i said Horford wont resign after he opted out

appearantly not beliving me doesnt prevent things from happening

[Prokorov]

Only the sixers and bucks are better for now.

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

and that's why the professionals at caesars palace put out win odds for the season with Boston at 49.5 and the Nets 47. But that's Ok bro, you do you, you have all the answers in the world and nothing you say is ever wrong. Except everything you say. Even your own fans on the Nets board blast you for acting like your opinions are fact and it can only be that way.

Your schtick is old and tired and even fans of your own team point it out. Let alone every other person on the GB.

The Celtics won't be missing the playoffs this year, get over it.

what where the vegas odds on the nets and celtics win totals last year? how did that turn out?

ill wait.

celtics need to move brown for a center to get rid of the final piece of a toxic situation and fix the leagues worst front court. otherwise they will be fighting with the mgaic, wiz, pistons, and hawks for the final seeds

[StojkoVrankovic]

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

nobody believes you

no one believed me when i said the ECF celtics wont be as good when kyrie/heyward return because not enough shots ot go around

no one believed me when i said there was a 0.0% chance kyrie would be back

no one believed me when i said Horford wont resign after he opted out

appearantly not beliving me doesnt prevent things from happening

Why would we believe you when we have posters who actually know things? Those same posters who have time and time again broken Celtic related news have also said you are absolutely full of ****?

You’re a troll, nothing more

[Tiny ball]

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

Orlando beat Celtics like the owned them last year. Toronto has owned the Celtics for seems like decade. Pacers we will see but if healthy they could be dangerous. Boston has owned 76ers. Miami don't think they will be that good without big trade. Boston could win the east with one trade and innovating coaching.

well of course, a trade could shift things. as it stands they are looking like a 6-10 seed more then 1 -5 seed. head to head also doesnt matter until the playoffs. philly will finish ahead of boston even if boston beats them 4 times in the RS.

Also, philly shoudl dominate boston this year. Horford/Baybes were like kryptonite for embiid. now horford is his teammate and boston has arguably the worst defensive starting center in the league if kanter starts

I would guess 76ers could win a game or two against Boston this year?

[Darth Celtic]

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

and that's why the professionals at caesars palace put out win odds for the season with Boston at 49.5 and the Nets 47. But that's Ok bro, you do you, you have all the answers in the world and nothing you say is ever wrong. Except everything you say. Even your own fans on the Nets board blast you for acting like your opinions are fact and it can only be that way.

Your schtick is old and tired and even fans of your own team point it out. Let alone every other person on the GB.

The Celtics won't be missing the playoffs this year, get over it.

what where the vegas odds on the nets and celtics win totals last year? how did that turn out?

ill wait.

celtics need to move brown for a center to get rid of the final piece of a toxic situation and fix the leagues worst front court. otherwise they will be fighting with the mgaic, wiz, pistons, and hawks for the final seeds

So, because they were close to right on 80% of the league, because they were 5 wins off the celtics and about the same off on the Nets, you now know more than vegas? Stop clowning yourself. Right now put up your over/under win totals and i'll take the vegas line vs yours at the end of the year and we can see who is right.

Please, please show me your over unders. Nets 60 wins, Celtics 35.... lol.

[XxIronChainzxX]

Only the sixers and bucks are better for now.

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

and that's why the professionals at caesars palace put out win odds for the season with Boston at 49.5 and the Nets 47. But that's Ok bro, you do you, you have all the answers in the world and nothing you say is ever wrong. Except everything you say. Even your own fans on the Nets board blast you for acting like your opinions are fact and it can only be that way.

Your schtick is old and tired and even fans of your own team point it out. Let alone every other person on the GB.

The Celtics won't be missing the playoffs this year, get over it.

Totally. Those same people picked the Celtics to be 4th last season and Toronto to win the East and title. I am always shocked how odds makers are right 100% of the time. I'm sure you were out there challenging everyone who thought the Celtics would make any noise in the playoffs, telling them "No, the professionals at caesars palace know that they'll get wrecked in the 2nd round by Milwaukee!"

It's fine to think the Celtics will be good, but let's make that case with more reasoned arguments that pre-season odds hype.

[Nuntius]

I understand that Kemba may be a breath of fresh air, but this idea he is some great leader when he has had a losing record in 5 of his 8 seasons and never advanced a round in the playoffs tell another story

It tells the story of how bad Charlotte was at drafting. ... Most of the players they picked ended up not even being starters, despite the fact that they were picking in the lottery almost every year. When you botch the draft as often as they do as a lottery team then yeah, you are unlikely to improve and go far in the playoffs.

I love Kemba but I think we really don't know what kind of leader he is. He's never won much of anything at the NBA-level, his teams have never really outperformed expectations, never gone on a bit of a run. He might just be an easier guy to get along with, which is all that the Celtics may need.

I disagree with this part. Kemba's teams have consistently outperformed expectations, in my opinion. If we were to rank teams by talent then the Hornets should be finishing in the bottom 3 throughout Kemba's tenure. And yet, they never sucked that hard. Kemba consistently pushed them at least in the mid 30s range and they were always a threat to steal games, even from good teams. Yes, he only made the playoffs twice (same amount of times as AD, by the way) but that's to be expected when your team gives big minutes to Frank Kaminsky, possibly the worst rebounder at the C/PF spot ever.

It's beginning to dawn on me that many of the people commenting about Kemba Walker's time with the Charlotte Bobcats/Hornets are not really familiar with or follow the team. You're right about Charlotte's draft history since adding Walker (for that matter, it's been the same pattern since the NBA gave Charlotte its second franchise) -- the Hornets have had this history of drafting decent-floor, low-ceiling players whose profiles are more suited for the college game than for NBA potential.

Moreover, the Hornets have had this history of drafting players who come from big-name colleges and fresh off some run in the NCAA tournament (six of the Hornets' lottery picks played in the national championship game, with five on the winning team). Reportedly, these draft decisions are the result of owner Michael Jordan overriding the front office during the draft after having them do the day-to-day work. One prominent example is in 2017 when former coach Steve Clifford wanted Donovan Mitchell but Jordan overrode him to select Malik Monk because Monk was falling in the draft.

The most egregious drafts, in my opinion, were in 2012 (Michael Kidd-Gilchrist) and 2015 (Frank Kaminsky). The 2012 Bobcats had the worst record in NBA history (7-59) and averaged 87 points per game and shot a collective .415 from the field. Instead of taking a player with scoring potential (Bradley Beal), Charlotte selects Kidd-Gilchrist, a player whose profile matched Tony Allen's (defensive player with poor offensive tools).

In 2015, Boston reportedly offered four first-round picks for the No. 9 pick, which Charlotte refused and used on Kaminsky, whom the Charlotte front office never interviewed. Moreover, Kaminsky reportedly said he never wanted to play for Charlotte and told the Hornets before the team after the Hornets selected him. Even if the Hornets did not accept the trade, the team badly needed outside shooting (I liked Devin Booker for the Hornets) or a potential star (Myles Turner was another consideration on the Hornets' board, based on scouting reports).

Exactly. I don't like to rag on Charlotte because I really like their brand (logo, uniforms etc.) and because their fan base on RealGM seems pretty cool but damn, their draft record is just abysmal. I don't know if it's MJ or someone else (I don't know the inner workings of their FO so I can't judge) but something needs to change there. I do like Bridges, though. I believe he'll be a good player.

[Prokorov]

nobody believes you

no one believed me when i said the ECF celtics wont be as good when kyrie/heyward return because not enough shots ot go around

no one believed me when i said there was a 0.0% chance kyrie would be back

no one believed me when i said Horford wont resign after he opted out

appearantly not beliving me doesnt prevent things from happening

Why would we believe you when we have posters who actually know things? Those same posters who have time and time again broken Celtic related news have also said you are absolutely full of ****?

You’re a troll, nothing more

maybe because i was consistently right, they were consistently wrong, an my sources arent greg dickersons cousin.

[Prokorov]

and that's why the professionals at caesars palace put out win odds for the season with Boston at 49.5 and the Nets 47. But that's Ok bro, you do you, you have all the answers in the world and nothing you say is ever wrong. Except everything you say. Even your own fans on the Nets board blast you for acting like your opinions are fact and it can only be that way.

Your schtick is old and tired and even fans of your own team point it out. Let alone every other person on the GB.

The Celtics won't be missing the playoffs this year, get over it.

what where the vegas odds on the nets and celtics win totals last year? how did that turn out?

ill wait.

celtics need to move brown for a center to get rid of the final piece of a toxic situation and fix the leagues worst front court. otherwise they will be fighting with the mgaic, wiz, pistons, and hawks for the final seeds

So, because they were close to right on 80% of the league, because they were 5 wins off the celtics and about the same off on the Nets, you now know more than vegas? Stop clowning yourself. Right now put up your over/under win totals and i'll take the vegas line vs yours at the end of the year and we can see who is right.

Please, please show me your over unders. Nets 60 wins, Celtics 35.... lol.

nets 49.5

Celtics 40.5

Also, vegas lines arent set to predict the teams final win total. it is to set and move the lines so there is equal money on each side of the line. Vegas doesnt make money on being right, they make money on the fees. thats how gambling works. the lines are set more on public concensus then they are expert opinion.

[GTR11]

what where the vegas odds on the nets and celtics win totals last year? how did that turn out?

ill wait.

celtics need to move brown for a center to get rid of the final piece of a toxic situation and fix the leagues worst front court. otherwise they will be fighting with the mgaic, wiz, pistons, and hawks for the final seeds

So, because they were close to right on 80% of the league, because they were 5 wins off the celtics and about the same off on the Nets, you now know more than vegas? Stop clowning yourself. Right now put up your over/under win totals and i'll take the vegas line vs yours at the end of the year and we can see who is right.

Please, please show me your over unders. Nets 60 wins, Celtics 35.... lol.

nets 49.5

Celtics 40.5

Also, vegas lines arent set to predict the teams final win total. it is to set and move the lines so there is equal money on each side of the line. Vegas doesnt make money on being right, they make money on the fees. thats how gambling works. the lines are set more on public concensus then they are expert opinion.

Yeah I took C's under 48 as well. Imo I can see EC go:
Buck- 60+/- 3
6's- 50 +/- 5 Biid
Nets- 50 +/-3 Kyrie
C's- 45+
Indy- 40+ Dipo
Rest is crap shoot.

[Blaze4G]

what where the vegas odds on the nets and celtics win totals last year? how did that turn out?

ill wait.

celtics need to move brown for a center to get rid of the final piece of a toxic situation and fix the leagues worst front court. otherwise they will be fighting with the mgaic, wiz, pistons, and hawks for the final seeds

So, because they were close to right on 80% of the league, because they were 5 wins off the celtics and about the same off on the Nets, you now know more than vegas? Stop clowning yourself. Right now put up your over/under win totals and i'll take the vegas line vs yours at the end of the year and we can see who is right.

Please, please show me your over unders. Nets 60 wins, Celtics 35.... lol.

nets 49.5

Celtics 40.5

Also, vegas lines arent set to predict the teams final win total. it is to set and move the lines so there is equal money on each side of the line. Vegas doesnt make money on being right, they make money on the fees. thats how gambling works. the lines are set more on public concensus then they are expert opinion.

So can we place a signature bet? My over unders are Celtics 49.5 and nets 44.5. Who ever is aggregately closer gets to choose what goes in the other person signature for 1 year.

I mean you're so confident and my prediction is a big difference compared to yours. You should have no problem doing this bet. But I bet you'll find an excuse not to

[spikeslovechild]

Toronto, Indy, the Nets and mami are all easily better.

you can debate detroit or orlando

and that's why the professionals at caesars palace put out win odds for the season with Boston at 49.5 and the Nets 47. But that's Ok bro, you do you, you have all the answers in the world and nothing you say is ever wrong. Except everything you say. Even your own fans on the Nets board blast you for acting like your opinions are fact and it can only be that way.

Your schtick is old and tired and even fans of your own team point it out. Let alone every other person on the GB.

The Celtics won't be missing the playoffs this year, get over it.

You do know how betting lines work right? They are designed so the house always makes money not on the likelihood of something happening.

Usually they go hand and hand sports is sort of outlier fans will move lines based on emotions and loyalty. Like the Lakers have the same odds as the Bucks to win a championship and worse odds then the sixers. You can look at every predictive model none supports that conclusion both the Bucks and Sixers have overwhelming better odds because of playing in the east.

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nba/championship-odds/

[Prokorov]

So, because they were close to right on 80% of the league, because they were 5 wins off the celtics and about the same off on the Nets, you now know more than vegas? Stop clowning yourself. Right now put up your over/under win totals and i'll take the vegas line vs yours at the end of the year and we can see who is right.

Please, please show me your over unders. Nets 60 wins, Celtics 35.... lol.

nets 49.5

Celtics 40.5

Also, vegas lines arent set to predict the teams final win total. it is to set and move the lines so there is equal money on each side of the line. Vegas doesnt make money on being right, they make money on the fees. thats how gambling works. the lines are set more on public concensus then they are expert opinion.

So can we place a signature bet? My over unders are Celtics 49.5 and nets 44.5. Who ever is aggregately closer gets to choose what goes in the other person signature for 1 year.

I mean you're so confident and my prediction is a big difference compared to yours. You should have no problem doing this bet. But I bet you'll find an excuse not to

I already have a signature bet that the nets will finish 10 games ahead of boston. ill take your bet with the disclaimer that the other bet takes precedence or you can pick my avatar maybe instead of signature?