basketballRob wrote:No one compares players by the number of years they've played, they compare them by age.pepe1991 wrote:Instincts wrote:
Not sure of the point here.
You have been consistently too negative on AGs development curve.
I have no issue with the Griffin, Marion, George, Kawhi comparisons. These are similar player types with similar inherent attributes thus help in defining a development ceiling.
I couldn’t be much happier with AGs development, he is prob in the 85% percentile of his highest current possible outcome. Most importantly AG is not done improving, don’t make that mistake again.
I believe most, including yourself have come around to the now real possibility that AG will be an all star at some point in the next few years, that in itself is a big litmus test. How many all star appearances and how much, particularly, his offensive game, shooting, and play making improve from here will directly effect where he tops out within the spectrum of his development curve. But be clear, because of AGs inherent traits, yes which are comparable to Marion, Griffin, George, and Leonard, he still has, like all of them, a high upper range of his development curve.
Simply put, AGs development is steadily increasing and he is still capable of an accelerated jump in the next year or three. Capacity plus conditions are right for the possibility of a break out year = 1st Allstar year. Time will tell. I bet with AG.
I'm too negative to point out he is in fact much worst player than Leonard, Marion, George and Blake Griffin are, despite being compared with them all the time.
Their timelines and where they were after 5 years, and where Gordon is after 5 years simply don't hold up .
Maybe you should simply come to grips of reality and accept that he is not as good as you think ? But no, year 6 , still talking about some ambiguous potential that he will " develop in year or three". Literally same thing people said last 5 years. He is , in mind of some people here, favorite for MIP last 5 years. Yet ,after 5 years in nba he is career 12 ppg ,6 rpg player.
Where reality meets dreamland of this forum ? Well probably it will after one day Woj bomb is dropped and he is no longer part of this team, so , by default, same people who are so high on him, will tell you how he is just role player and not big time player ( like they did with Tobias Harris, Oladipo and any other Magic player that was traded).
Whole "allstar" concepct as factor is incredibly flawed , and lot of mediocre players like Paul Millsap and Jeff Teague actually did menage to be part of allstar teams . On other hand, Gordon's comparisons for people here are not some fringe allstars but nba superstars and some of best players in the world like two time finals MVP, DPOY Kawhi Leonard and top 3 in MVP votes ,28 ppg player Paul George.
Along with one of youngest allstars ever- Blake Griffin.
Funniest part about Gordon debates is that 50-60% of forum shares mine opinion on Gordon, yet i always upset posters that go at me, where others say same thing and never get any personal attacks.
Yesterday somebody told me that i'm too negative on Magic young players. Than i figured that in last 15 years Magic produced two allstars drafted by them- Nelson, who was awarded allstar spot because of team success and Dwight, drafted in 2004.
My opinion on Gordon is pretty clear- role player that needs improve efficiency and that will never be anything else but 3rd option on great team. Pretty much same thing i said in 2015 ,2016,2017, 2018 and now.
What changed ? Did he become some uber effective scorer capable of scoring 30 a game on 63% TS and lead team to wins? Nah, he actually scores less than year before, his efficiency saw some growth ,yet still below average for his position and he still isn't really treated as treat- by defense of most nba teams.
Matter of fact common sense is that if Vučević has year where he is hurt, this roster is doomed. So what does it say about Gordon?
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here's a comparison of Gordon (black) vs Kawhi at 23 (gray). Take note that this is Gordon's 5th year vs Kawhi's 4th year.
https://i.imgur.com/YgVAps5.jpg
I'll gladly pull up Gordon at 23 (5th year) vs Kawhi at 22 (earliest tracking available), if you would like to see that too.
