2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Cut Day Saturday

[bizarro]

I'm going into this season with a pessimistic view.

That’s a good play. I mean, why not?

[ReasonablySober]

I'm going into this season with a pessimistic view.

That’s a good play. I mean, why not?

Right? And if they don't suck ass I'll be happy as a pig in ****.

[bizarro]

I'm going into this season with a pessimistic view.

That’s a good play. I mean, why not?

Right? And if they don't suck ass I'll be happy as a pig in ****.

I have been burned soooo many years in a row being overly excited and optimistic. I support your approach. I am more excited about this pool of talent than any in the past five years.




I say this every year. It’s my schtick.






This year feels different.









I also think this every year.

[RiotPunch]

That’s a good play. I mean, why not?

Right? And if they don't suck ass I'll be happy as a pig in ****.

I have been burned soooo many years in a row being overly excited and optimistic. I support your approach. I am more excited about this pool of talent than any in the past five years.




I say this every year. It’s my schtick.






This year feels different.









I also think this every year.

My main concern is LeFleur employing a **** RB by committee again after that type of **** got McCarthy fired. I want to see 3-down back Aaron Jones, with heavy involvement in the passing game, because that is what unlocks the Packers' elite offense. Color me pessimistic as well. It took Vrabel stepping in and choosing to ride Derrick Henry late last year, because LaFleur was too set in his Shanahanian beliefs.

[humanrefutation]

I'm usually pessimistic - and have felt especially so over the last couple years - but this year is legitimately different in a lot of ways. Will it all work out? Who tf knows. But I do know one thing for sure - that regime on and off the field that we've had the last few years wasn't cutting it. So got me, it's the excitement of the unknown and the possibilities.

[MickeyDavis]

There will be plenty of time to be pessimistic during the Kizer era.

[ReasonablySober]

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Keep hearing about this kid.

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[neiLz]

Gary has been getting rave reviews. Hopefully he can stay healthy and keep the motor going. The pass rush looks legit.

[JHSFIVE]

I've heard numerous reports that Gary came into camp at 10% BF. That's insane for his size.

Sidenote: his Instagram is a fun follow. He's got a pretty serious Bane obsession. lol

[Kerb Hohl]

Right? And if they don't suck ass I'll be happy as a pig in ****.

I have been burned soooo many years in a row being overly excited and optimistic. I support your approach. I am more excited about this pool of talent than any in the past five years.




I say this every year. It’s my schtick.






This year feels different.









I also think this every year.

My main concern is LeFleur employing a **** RB by committee again after that type of **** got McCarthy fired. I want to see 3-down back Aaron Jones, with heavy involvement in the passing game, because that is what unlocks the Packers' elite offense. Color me pessimistic as well. It took Vrabel stepping in and choosing to ride Derrick Henry late last year, because LaFleur was too set in his Shanahanian beliefs.

Really? I guess I just assumed that if there's one strength of all of these young McVay type guys is that they're going to use their RBs optimally and use them a lot in the passing game. I'll admit that maybe I misjudged Henry like LaFleur may have because it didn't seem like he was going to translate well to the NFL.

I'm not going to defend McCarthy because he was very antiquated in his beliefs, but I do think that there is some shred of caution necessary with Jones. We'll see, but I wonder if leaving Jones out there for nearly the entire game is going to cause injury or decline in efficiency. I think he should be used a lot and in better ways than McCarthy used him but I think there is a subset of the fanbase that thinks you can just wave a magic wand and put Jones out there for 50+ snaps and everything will be great because he was great in 25-30 snaps in the past.

[Kerb Hohl]

I've been pretty pessimistic going into the last 3-4 years or so. TT going senile and just leaving CFL caliber secondaries and McCarthy leaving something in the tank every game with the offense just gave me the feeling that they'd underachieve and probably make the playoffs but give up 50 at some point in the playoffs.

I'm on hold/cautious optimism this year. Not serious excitement like 2010-2014 but at least they've done something different. If they strike out yet again revamping the defense I will probably just be done, though.

[MickeyDavis]

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[RiotPunch]

I have been burned soooo many years in a row being overly excited and optimistic. I support your approach. I am more excited about this pool of talent than any in the past five years.




I say this every year. It’s my schtick.






This year feels different.









I also think this every year.

My main concern is LeFleur employing a **** RB by committee again after that type of **** got McCarthy fired. I want to see 3-down back Aaron Jones, with heavy involvement in the passing game, because that is what unlocks the Packers' elite offense. Color me pessimistic as well. It took Vrabel stepping in and choosing to ride Derrick Henry late last year, because LaFleur was too set in his Shanahanian beliefs.

Really? I guess I just assumed that if there's one strength of all of these young McVay type guys is that they're going to use their RBs optimally and use them a lot in the passing game. I'll admit that maybe I misjudged Henry like LaFleur may have because it didn't seem like he was going to translate well to the NFL.

I'm not going to defend McCarthy because he was very antiquated in his beliefs, but I do think that there is some shred of caution necessary with Jones. We'll see, but I wonder if leaving Jones out there for nearly the entire game is going to cause injury or decline in efficiency. I think he should be used a lot and in better ways than McCarthy used him but I think there is a subset of the fanbase that thinks you can just wave a magic wand and put Jones out there for 50+ snaps and everything will be great because he was great in 25-30 snaps in the past.

LaFleur is far more a Kubiak/Shanahan disciple than he is a McVay disciple, imo.

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/291983/matt-lafleurs-qb-friendly-scheme-seems-perfect-for-aaron-rodgers-3

Balancing the carries between running backs Dion Lewis and Henry was no easy task, and that experience should help LaFleur manage Green Bay's backfield, which featured Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams in 2018. If LaFleur's time in Tennessee is any indication, the Packers' backs will be busy on screen passes, catching the ball on choice routes out of the backfield and even lining up at wide receiver. LaFleur also likes putting two running backs on the field at the same time.

The back end of that sounds super intriguing, envisioning Jones with 15-18 carries and 4-7 targets per game, being moved like a chess piece all over the field is fap worthy. By all accounts, he is in the best shape of his life and deserves the lion's share of touches by a wide margin; but as Sigmund Bloom said on a recent podcast, Jamaal Williams is like catnip for NFL head coaches and they just cannot resist using him and his superhuman reliability, even while paired with his pedestrian talent. I'd rather Dexter get Jamaal's touches if a timeshare is the route taken.

[Kerb Hohl]

My main concern is LeFleur employing a **** RB by committee again after that type of **** got McCarthy fired. I want to see 3-down back Aaron Jones, with heavy involvement in the passing game, because that is what unlocks the Packers' elite offense. Color me pessimistic as well. It took Vrabel stepping in and choosing to ride Derrick Henry late last year, because LaFleur was too set in his Shanahanian beliefs.

Really? I guess I just assumed that if there's one strength of all of these young McVay type guys is that they're going to use their RBs optimally and use them a lot in the passing game. I'll admit that maybe I misjudged Henry like LaFleur may have because it didn't seem like he was going to translate well to the NFL.

I'm not going to defend McCarthy because he was very antiquated in his beliefs, but I do think that there is some shred of caution necessary with Jones. We'll see, but I wonder if leaving Jones out there for nearly the entire game is going to cause injury or decline in efficiency. I think he should be used a lot and in better ways than McCarthy used him but I think there is a subset of the fanbase that thinks you can just wave a magic wand and put Jones out there for 50+ snaps and everything will be great because he was great in 25-30 snaps in the past.

LaFleur is far more a Kubiak/Shanahan disciple than he is a McVay disciple, imo.

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/291983/matt-lafleurs-qb-friendly-scheme-seems-perfect-for-aaron-rodgers-3

Balancing the carries between running backs Dion Lewis and Henry was no easy task, and that experience should help LaFleur manage Green Bay's backfield, which featured Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams in 2018. If LaFleur's time in Tennessee is any indication, the Packers' backs will be busy on screen passes, catching the ball on choice routes out of the backfield and even lining up at wide receiver. LaFleur also likes putting two running backs on the field at the same time.

The back end of that sounds super intriguing, envisioning Jones with 15-18 carries and 4-7 targets per game, being moved like a chess piece all over the field is fap worthy. By all accounts, he is in the best shape of his life and deserves the lion's share of touches by a wide margin; but as Sigmund Bloom said on a recent podcast, Jamaal Williams is like catnip for NFL head coaches and they just cannot resist using him and his superhuman reliability, even while paired with his pedestrian talent. I'd rather Dexter get Jamaal's touches if a timeshare is the route taken.

A few things: Henry was pretty terrible to open up 2018 running the ball. He got a lot of carries (~15/game) and averaged under 4 YPC.

He only became useful in a slightly high volume of carries late in the season.

Second, would you have a problem with Shanahan/Kubiak style? Shanahan had plenty of guys that put up massive numbers and Kubiak oversaw Arian Foster's Houston run.

I'm generally in the position of, "assume the best" from a lot of people. I'm guessing that LaFleur will try to get Jones ~20-25 touches, many of them on screen passes and in space while also monitoring his workload a bit and utilizing Jamaal's pass-blocking ability + Dexter and co a bit.

[RiotPunch]

Really? I guess I just assumed that if there's one strength of all of these young McVay type guys is that they're going to use their RBs optimally and use them a lot in the passing game. I'll admit that maybe I misjudged Henry like LaFleur may have because it didn't seem like he was going to translate well to the NFL.

I'm not going to defend McCarthy because he was very antiquated in his beliefs, but I do think that there is some shred of caution necessary with Jones. We'll see, but I wonder if leaving Jones out there for nearly the entire game is going to cause injury or decline in efficiency. I think he should be used a lot and in better ways than McCarthy used him but I think there is a subset of the fanbase that thinks you can just wave a magic wand and put Jones out there for 50+ snaps and everything will be great because he was great in 25-30 snaps in the past.

LaFleur is far more a Kubiak/Shanahan disciple than he is a McVay disciple, imo.

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/291983/matt-lafleurs-qb-friendly-scheme-seems-perfect-for-aaron-rodgers-3

Balancing the carries between running backs Dion Lewis and Henry was no easy task, and that experience should help LaFleur manage Green Bay's backfield, which featured Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams in 2018. If LaFleur's time in Tennessee is any indication, the Packers' backs will be busy on screen passes, catching the ball on choice routes out of the backfield and even lining up at wide receiver. LaFleur also likes putting two running backs on the field at the same time.

The back end of that sounds super intriguing, envisioning Jones with 15-18 carries and 4-7 targets per game, being moved like a chess piece all over the field is fap worthy. By all accounts, he is in the best shape of his life and deserves the lion's share of touches by a wide margin; but as Sigmund Bloom said on a recent podcast, Jamaal Williams is like catnip for NFL head coaches and they just cannot resist using him and his superhuman reliability, even while paired with his pedestrian talent. I'd rather Dexter get Jamaal's touches if a timeshare is the route taken.

A few things: Henry was pretty terrible to open up 2018 running the ball. He got a lot of carries (~15/game) and averaged under 4 YPC.

He only became useful in a slightly high volume of carries late in the season.

Second, would you have a problem with Shanahan/Kubiak style? Shanahan had plenty of guys that put up massive numbers and Kubiak oversaw Arian Foster's Houston run.

I'm generally in the position of, "assume the best" from a lot of people. I'm guessing that LaFleur will try to get Jones ~20-25 touches, many of them on screen passes and in space while also monitoring his workload a bit and utilizing Jamaal's pass-blocking ability + Dexter and co a bit.

I'm expecting something of a Freeman/Coleman ATL timeshare for Jones/Jamaal, with a big question being who gets the goal line work. Hope I'm wrong, although Devonta still returned awesome numbers on lower touches, as I expect Jones also would. An Arian Foster situation would obviously be awesome.

[RRyder823]

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Isnt that the pretty much exact same quote that got thrown out about him last year

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[Kerb Hohl]

LaFleur is far more a Kubiak/Shanahan disciple than he is a McVay disciple, imo.

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/291983/matt-lafleurs-qb-friendly-scheme-seems-perfect-for-aaron-rodgers-3


The back end of that sounds super intriguing, envisioning Jones with 15-18 carries and 4-7 targets per game, being moved like a chess piece all over the field is fap worthy. By all accounts, he is in the best shape of his life and deserves the lion's share of touches by a wide margin; but as Sigmund Bloom said on a recent podcast, Jamaal Williams is like catnip for NFL head coaches and they just cannot resist using him and his superhuman reliability, even while paired with his pedestrian talent. I'd rather Dexter get Jamaal's touches if a timeshare is the route taken.

A few things: Henry was pretty terrible to open up 2018 running the ball. He got a lot of carries (~15/game) and averaged under 4 YPC.

He only became useful in a slightly high volume of carries late in the season.

Second, would you have a problem with Shanahan/Kubiak style? Shanahan had plenty of guys that put up massive numbers and Kubiak oversaw Arian Foster's Houston run.

I'm generally in the position of, "assume the best" from a lot of people. I'm guessing that LaFleur will try to get Jones ~20-25 touches, many of them on screen passes and in space while also monitoring his workload a bit and utilizing Jamaal's pass-blocking ability + Dexter and co a bit.

I'm expecting something of a Freeman/Coleman ATL timeshare for Jones/Jamaal, with a big question being who gets the goal line work. Hope I'm wrong, although Devonta still returned awesome numbers on lower touches, as I expect Jones also would. An Arian Foster situation would obviously be awesome.

Jones gets compared to Alvin Kamara a lot. The measurables line up quite well but I think most acknowledge that Jones falls just short of the elite-ness of Kamara, but let's compare the two...

In 2018, Kamara got 194 carries and caught the ball 81 times in 15 games. So Kamara finished 16th in carries and was more like 20th in carries/game since guys like Gordon missed more time.

In 2018, Jones got 133 carries in 12 games and that also involved him being eased into action. Assume 15 games for Jones like Kamara and that would be 167 carries. I think if you factor in that he was being eased in, he was on a pace of 200 carries for the season last year and about 40 catches...not that far off from Kamara.

The difference between the 2 is catching the ball, which Jones is good at but Kamara is one of the best ever.

Long story short, I'd expect Jones if he plays 15-16 games next year to get 200 carries and 60 catches. I think coaches worry about usage for guys their size beyond that.