Mattya wrote:dice wrote:Mattya wrote:
Are you really surprised? It's called an echo chamber.
either the person who started the echo was right on the money or...people were actually thinking objectively for themselves
wiggins currently 20th in his draft class in career VORP
I love when people out there no life status on REALGM to bring up old posts because they are triggered and held that in for years potentially. Really makes me think about how bad people have it.
i love when people make dumb statements and can't handle it when people call them out on it. buck up, buddy
this must come as a shock, but i'm pretty sure that NOBODY is keeping a log of your basketball message board posts. get over yourself
for your profoundly ignorant information, someone on the bulls board made the comment that just about everybody thought at the time that maxing out andrew freaking wiggins was justifiable. didn't sound right to me, as i know that i wasn't on an island when i expressed how stupid it was at the time, so i did a little research. if that means i have "no life status" (which doesn't even make any sense unless a person is dead), so be it. but in reality, your comment says more about you than it does about me
in your parallel universe where i, a non-timberwolves fan, was for some reason keeping track of dumb comments by random wolves fans about andrew wiggins at the time he was incredibly offered a max extension TWO YEARS AGO, i sure as hell wouldn't have had to wait two years to shove it in your face. my guess is that even the biggest homers on this board recognized how bad the deal was by LAST offseason. and it was LAST offseason (before his crushing new deal had even begun!) that quoting you would have had the greatest impact...if that was my objective, which it clearly wasn't
i'm not someone who takes vicious pot shots for the sake of it. but given that YOU were badmouthing OTHERS with different opinions than yourself, most people would find it more than appropriate to defend THEIR position after yet more evidence has been thrown on the pile that they were in fact correct all along. sorry that your derogatory remarks blew up in your face. i wouldn't expect you to have the integrity to say "yep, i was really, REALLY wrong", but most people WOULD be able to suck it up and take the 'L' like a man without going into hyper-defensive meltdown mode. and very few would take your tack and double down by continuing to defend that really, really wrong position
why are we using current VORP to justify his trade value not being top 10 at the time? Seems moronic to me.
that doesn't surprise me given your apparently profound lack of judgment
would you like to go by rookie contract VORP? because he's near the bottom of first rounders in his draft class in that as well. and it was his play during his rookie contract that SOMEHOW earned him a max deal
-2014 first rounders ranked by
rookie contract VORP, followed by their annual salary in their first post-rookie deal:
5 anderson 9
4.2 g harris
18.54.1 smart 13
3.9 payton 3
3.4 gordon
193.2 embiid
292.2 hood 6
1.7 randle 9
1.2 warren 12
0.9 parker
20 <- dumb contract for bulls, but only 1 yr
0.2 napier 2
0.1
j adams 0-0.1 lavine
19.5 <- dumber contract for bulls that isn't looking AS dumb 1 yr later
-0.2 mcgary 0
-0.3 wilcox 0
-0.5 huestis 0
-0.5 j young 0
-1 hairston 0
-1.2 a payne 0-1.3 wiggins
29 <- colossally dumb contract for a guy who had been worse than a lot of guys who never even got a second contract
-1.5 t ennis 0-1.6 vonleh 2
-1.7 stauskas 2
-1.8 mcdermott 7
gotta love "talent"
This is monday morning quarterbacking just years out. Lets ignore all context at the time(pretty important when factoring trade value). Its goal post shifting of the highest order.
you must be joking
YOU were complaining about the "echo chamber" of MANY, MANY people disagreeing with the deal AT THE TIME! it's the very jumping off point for this conversation! how is that goalpost shifting? stop shooting yourself in the foot by doubling down on what was obviously a bad deal AT THE TIME to a whole lot of people (myself included). and SHOULD have been very obvious to EVERYBODY. jaysus
you: "
all those people saying wiggins isn't worth much are sheep"
me: "how's that looking 2 years later?"
you: "stop shifting the goalposts.
nobody could have predicted at the time that wiggins wouldn't end up being worth much"
Hope things get better in your life though.
thanks for your concern. hope your judgement gets better. obviously hasn't over the past couple of years, but hang in there. miracles happen
moral of the story: don't post derogatory and/or wildly misguided comments and expect to never get called out on it. and then have a tantrum when you DO get called out. if we can't call people out for their message board commentary, that message board will inevitably devolve into a troll farm of ever more outlandishness "look at me" commentary
and don't worry, given that you obviously cannot handle responses to your bad posts, i will now take the step to ensure that i never read ANY of your posts
the donald, always unpopular, did worse in EVERY state in 2020. and by a greater margin in red states! 50 independently-run elections, none of them rigged