ImageImageImage

Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

Moderators: bisme37, Parliament10, canman1971, shackles10, snowman, Froob, Darthlukey, Shak_Celts

FlatearthZorro
RealGM
Posts: 20,599
And1: 12,343
Joined: Feb 12, 2010
Location: Somewhere in Boston
     

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#921 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:00 pm

Bohemian wrote:People are really bored: unless some opportunity gets out there, this is our team for the season. And February trades are not so easy. So relax and enjoy the prospect of having a young hungry team full of nice personalities for once.


I agree. Haywards value is too low to trade ajd Brad and him are really close, plus he still has the potential to dominate next season. Brown trade seems unlikely. Smart same. I think our team remains the way it is when the season starts. Not much gonna change.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
User avatar
zoyathedestroya
RealGM
Posts: 41,125
And1: 98,277
Joined: Nov 05, 2017

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#922 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:26 pm

Read on Twitter
Feed Your Head
RealGM
Posts: 25,438
And1: 69,469
Joined: Jun 25, 2006
       

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#923 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:34 pm

Kyrie is a weird dude, man.
User avatar
BRUNiNHO91
RealGM
Posts: 30,423
And1: 23,553
Joined: Mar 04, 2009
Location: Rio De Janeiro, Brasil...
     

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#924 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:42 pm

The Comedian wrote:Kyrie is a weird dude, man.


The douche is probably starting to regret Brooklyn already lol weird mf.
WHAT THEY GON’ SAY NOW? ‎ THANK YOU TRUTH!
User avatar
Parliament10
Forum Mod - Celtics
Forum Mod - Celtics
Posts: 52,510
And1: 61,913
Joined: Jul 24, 2009
       

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#925 » by Parliament10 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:47 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:Kyrie is a weird dude, man.


The douche is probably starting to regret Brooklyn already lol weird mf.

He's so fine, so devine.
Kind of like a Dog of mine . . .
"You have to put the work in.
Nothing is given."

~ Jayson Tatum
User avatar
Disinformation
Starter
Posts: 2,239
And1: 3,076
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
   

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#926 » by Disinformation » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:17 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:Kyrie is a weird dude, man.


The douche is probably starting to regret Brooklyn already lol weird mf.


At some point he's going to think to himself "This place is just as bad as Cleveland and Boston. How do I keep ending up in these situations?" :lol:
Disinformation's Manifesto for the 2021 Offseason

It's a brave new world. No one knows what's going to happen, least of all me.
FlatearthZorro
RealGM
Posts: 20,599
And1: 12,343
Joined: Feb 12, 2010
Location: Somewhere in Boston
     

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#927 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:25 pm

Disinformation wrote:
BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:Kyrie is a weird dude, man.


The douche is probably starting to regret Brooklyn already lol weird mf.


At some point he's going to think to himself "This place is just as bad as Cleveland and Boston. How do I keep ending up in these situations?" :lol:


IT's funny but it's completely possible especially if Durant struggles a bit to get back into playing form after missing 1 season. It would mean they "might" be able to contend 2 full seasons from now. Bet Kyrie starts lashing out on them young lads this season tho. Unless he somehow decides to tone it down or they are surprisingly successful.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
djFan71
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 14,304
And1: 20,772
Joined: Jul 24, 2010
 

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#928 » by djFan71 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:41 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Spoiler:

Everyone hates it, but I'm just going to keep bringing up Cody Zeller. That Kemba connection is well established. Brad can't resist Indiana prodigies. He's effective on both sides of the ball (unlike Tyler). He's low usage. He's paid enough for a team like Charlotte not to want him, but he's not an albatross. We could get him without having to give up any of our best assets. Big downside other than him being boring is his injury history.

As for Drummond, I really don't like how he gets lit up by Embiid and I don't think Detroit can settle to trade him for crap. But for the right deal (basically Hayward if he's good enough to trade but not back to all-star form), yes, he'd be great.

I don't even hate it, just would be surprised if we dumped Kanter/Theis for him, which is min to match salary.

In similarly exciting vein, I could a Theis + 2nd for Taj Gibson deal depending on how each of them do up til the deadline. I'm assuming NYK point with all their contracts was a) ballast for a star trade, b) offload for a pick at deadline, c) let walk for cap space to do it all over next summer.

Taj does (or at least used to) what nobody on our roster really does, so he'd be a nice pickup if he still has it.

ETA: just not enough salary with only Theis, would need to send one other guy.

Are you telling me we're having a hard time coming up with hypothetical in-season trades (without giving up more value than we need to) because we weren't able to sign or swap for a player named Trey D. Ballast during the offseason by being more creative with our cap space ? I AM SHOCKED! :o

Sure, in hindsight it's easy to see that would have been helpful, but where were you when we could have actually done something about it???? :D

I was wondering about Theis, though. We signed him for more than 175% of his last year's salary. So, that means we used Early Bird rights on him, correct? Which means this all applies.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#101.

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:
...
When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season.


Theis' 2020-2021 is non-guaranteed, so he's effectively on a one year. So, it seems he still has to consent to a trade even at $5M instead of $9.3M.
User avatar
CeltsfanSinceBirth
RealGM
Posts: 23,818
And1: 34,893
Joined: Jul 29, 2003
     

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#929 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:52 pm

I'm happy that Wyc didn't pull a Dan Gilbert. I'm actually really happy that the organization, as a whole, appears to be taking the high road on this one. At the end of the day, basketball is just a business. Gotta take the bad with the good and keep it moving.

With that being said.....no tribute video please.
User avatar
zoyathedestroya
RealGM
Posts: 41,125
And1: 98,277
Joined: Nov 05, 2017

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#930 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:01 pm

djFan71 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
djFan71 wrote:I don't even hate it, just would be surprised if we dumped Kanter/Theis for him, which is min to match salary.

In similarly exciting vein, I could a Theis + 2nd for Taj Gibson deal depending on how each of them do up til the deadline. I'm assuming NYK point with all their contracts was a) ballast for a star trade, b) offload for a pick at deadline, c) let walk for cap space to do it all over next summer.

Taj does (or at least used to) what nobody on our roster really does, so he'd be a nice pickup if he still has it.

ETA: just not enough salary with only Theis, would need to send one other guy.

Are you telling me we're having a hard time coming up with hypothetical in-season trades (without giving up more value than we need to) because we weren't able to sign or swap for a player named Trey D. Ballast during the offseason by being more creative with our cap space ? I AM SHOCKED! :o

Sure, in hindsight it's easy to see that would have been helpful, but where were you when we could have actually done something about it???? :D

I was wondering about Theis, though. We signed him for more than 175% of his last year's salary. So, that means we used Early Bird rights on him, correct? Which means this all applies.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#101.

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:
...
When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season.


Theis' 2020-2021 is non-guaranteed, so he's effectively on a one year. So, it seems he still has to consent to a trade even at $5M instead of $9.3M.

Yep, I brought up the sort of no-trade clause for Theis in one of our ten thousand exchanges on how to generate a trade ballast.
djFan71
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 14,304
And1: 20,772
Joined: Jul 24, 2010
 

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#931 » by djFan71 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:09 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Are you telling me we're having a hard time coming up with hypothetical in-season trades (without giving up more value than we need to) because we weren't able to sign or swap for a player named Trey D. Ballast during the offseason by being more creative with our cap space ? I AM SHOCKED! :o

Sure, in hindsight it's easy to see that would have been helpful, but where were you when we could have actually done something about it???? :D

I was wondering about Theis, though. We signed him for more than 175% of his last year's salary. So, that means we used Early Bird rights on him, correct? Which means this all applies.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#101.

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:
...
When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season.


Theis' 2020-2021 is non-guaranteed, so he's effectively on a one year. So, it seems he still has to consent to a trade even at $5M instead of $9.3M.

Yep, I brought up the sort of no-trade clause for Theis in one of our ten thousand exchanges on how to generate a trade ballast.

Yep, I remembered. For some reason, I was thinking of that only in the context of the full $9.3M, not at the $5M. But, it finally dawned on me that it still applies.
User avatar
Froob
Forum Mod - Celtics
Forum Mod - Celtics
Posts: 43,337
And1: 61,667
Joined: Nov 04, 2010
Location: ▼VII▲VIII
         

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#932 » by Froob » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:16 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:Kyrie is a weird dude, man.


The douche is probably starting to regret Brooklyn already lol weird mf.

It’ll be super weird when AD and Kyrie are both on the Bulls next summer. Kyrie wares out his welcome in Brooklyn and Chicago trades for him to recruit AD home.
Image

Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.


RIP The_Hater
User avatar
Froob
Forum Mod - Celtics
Forum Mod - Celtics
Posts: 43,337
And1: 61,667
Joined: Nov 04, 2010
Location: ▼VII▲VIII
         

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#933 » by Froob » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:19 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I'm happy that Wyc didn't pull a Dan Gilbert. I'm actually really happy that the organization, as a whole, appears to be taking the high road on this one. At the end of the day, basketball is just a business. Gotta take the bad with the good and keep it moving.

With that being said.....no tribute video please.

All in all, I think Gilbert does get a little too much ****. He was in a poll for worst owner. The guy reaaaaly ponyed up and played LeBron’s dumb games to get to a title and should have been more had they not ran into an all time dynasty.
Image

Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.


RIP The_Hater
User avatar
Parliament10
Forum Mod - Celtics
Forum Mod - Celtics
Posts: 52,510
And1: 61,913
Joined: Jul 24, 2009
       

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#934 » by Parliament10 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:19 pm

Rookieville: Episode One
"All Night Bang!"

"You have to put the work in.
Nothing is given."

~ Jayson Tatum
User avatar
Disinformation
Starter
Posts: 2,239
And1: 3,076
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
   

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#935 » by Disinformation » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:29 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I'm happy that Wyc didn't pull a Dan Gilbert. I'm actually really happy that the organization, as a whole, appears to be taking the high road on this one. At the end of the day, basketball is just a business. Gotta take the bad with the good and keep it moving.

With that being said.....no tribute video please.


Agreed. As a fan I will shout to the world about how much of a psuedo-intellectual, cowardly, fake leader little bitch Kyrie Irving is. But as an organization, the Celtics have nothing to gain and potentially something to lose by doing so. I applaud both myself and the Celtics for handling this situation appropriately.

And yeah, no tribute video.
Disinformation's Manifesto for the 2021 Offseason

It's a brave new world. No one knows what's going to happen, least of all me.
FlatearthZorro
RealGM
Posts: 20,599
And1: 12,343
Joined: Feb 12, 2010
Location: Somewhere in Boston
     

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#936 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:22 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I'm happy that Wyc didn't pull a Dan Gilbert. I'm actually really happy that the organization, as a whole, appears to be taking the high road on this one. At the end of the day, basketball is just a business. Gotta take the bad with the good and keep it moving.

With that being said.....no tribute video please.


They showed class, which obviously some organizations and even players lack. It's nice. I think Smart's interview was a prove of that even further.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
Darth Celtic
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 38,946
And1: 17,506
Joined: Jun 26, 2003
Location: Big 3 will crush the east!
     

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#937 » by Darth Celtic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:31 pm

Yeah, it's so weird. The Cavs owner blasts Lebron after he leaves, burning all the bridges on the way out, Lebron comes back and wins a championship.

The lakers make all the wrong picks, all the wrong trades, all the wrong signings, all the wrong GM moves, publically air dirty laundry in the front office this very year, and miss the playoffs for 7 straight years even with Lebron on the team. Yet they get Lebron and AD.

It's like, being a terrible owner doesn't matter to some players. Why then the Knicks don't get players? I mean, what is different with that idiot compared to the idiots listed above?

Oh well, we can't be mad, medium market team just signed it's 3rd big name free agent in like 5 years.
MrDollarBills = MrWelchesBets
User avatar
Bleeding Green
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 24,178
And1: 13,876
Joined: Feb 28, 2005
Location: Atlantic Champs OMG OMG OMG!

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#938 » by Bleeding Green » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:41 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847686-espn-to-broadcast-australian-nbl-games-featuring-lamelo-ball-rj-hampton

Pretty excited for this, maybe we'll see major changes in the NCAA and the recent rash of guys opting to skip college will become the norm, at least for the top prospects. I feel like it started with Brandon Jennings a decade ago, and now you have 3-5+ prospects skipping college to either play in Europe/China/Australia or just spend the year working out. None have been drafted in the lottery since Jennings, but the hit-rate on them is pretty high just anecdotally.

RJ Hampton even has a sneaker deal worth millions, if that is on the table for other guys in coming years, it's hard to pass up a few million and a year in Europe/New Zealand just so you can play for some prick college coach.
Manocad wrote:I have an engineering degree, an exceptionally high IQ, and can point to the exact location/area of any country on an unlabeled globe.
Tiny ball
Veteran
Posts: 2,614
And1: 840
Joined: Jul 31, 2016
Location: Some island in Philippines
         

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#939 » by Tiny ball » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:20 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847686-espn-to-broadcast-australian-nbl-games-featuring-lamelo-ball-rj-hampton

Pretty excited for this, maybe we'll see major changes in the NCAA and the recent rash of guys opting to skip college will become the norm, at least for the top prospects. I feel like it started with Brandon Jennings a decade ago, and now you have 3-5+ prospects skipping college to either play in Europe/China/Australia or just spend the year working out. None have been drafted in the lottery since Jennings, but the hit-rate on them is pretty high just anecdotally.

RJ Hampton even has a sneaker deal worth millions, if that is on the table for other guys in coming years, it's hard to pass up a few million and a year in Europe/New Zealand just so you can play for some prick college coach.

I never got how the players sold out the younger guys with that deal. Why should anyone be able to deal you out of a job when you are of age?
Andrew McCeltic
RealGM
Posts: 23,153
And1: 8,549
Joined: Jun 18, 2004
 

Re: Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player 

Post#940 » by Andrew McCeltic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:41 pm

Kyrie was allowed to leave - he chose to play closer to home. There’s no way to really stay angry at that decision. What is sh*tty on his part is promising to stay at the start of the season, his limited leadership, and the extent to which his choice to bail on the franchise was because of some short-term difficulties. Once the AD scenario was put to bed, we had any number of ways to restructure the team that would’ve kept him here- we were asset-rich.

Return to Boston Celtics