DeMar DeRozan is underrated all of a sudden

Nate505 · Post #101 » by **Nate505** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:56 am

I can think of 20 players I'd rather have than him pretty easily.

IAMZOOTED2 · Post #102 » by **IAMZOOTED2** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:58 am

Demar had the Spurs in the top5 for offense last season... Sure, her had help, but he carried the team plenty, too. He may not be too 20 but he's close and still very effective in many schemes and actions

XxIronChainzxX · Post #103 » by **XxIronChainzxX** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:28 am

IAMZOOTED2 wrote:Demar had the Spurs in the top5 for offense last season... Sure, her had help, but he carried the team plenty, too. He may not be too 20 but he's close and still very effective in many schemes and actions

In the regular season. He feasts on bad teams. It's just a talent issue. It's a shame.

KrazyP · Post #104 » by **KrazyP** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:37 am

XxIronChainzxX wrote:
IAMZOOTED2 wrote:Demar had the Spurs in the top5 for offense last season... Sure, her had help, but he carried the team plenty, too. He may not be too 20 but he's close and still very effective in many schemes and actions

In the regular season. He feasts on bad teams. It's just a talent issue. It's a shame.

He was perfectly fine in the playoffs last year.

22/7/5, 23.2 PER, 48% from field, .557 TS% on 27.7% usage and his D was actually ok as well. The Spurs ended up taking the #2 seed to 7 games.

dlts20 · Post #105 » by **dlts20** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:43 am

I don't think that people actually realize how many players are in the league when they call certain guys top 10 or top 20. He is no way near a top 20 player

ballup · Post #106 » by **ballup** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:44 am

I think DeRozan doesn't get enough credit for what he is good at, which is finishing as a slasher. Every season, he is one of the best guards under this category. Now this doesn't hide his bad spots

cycl0nus · Post #107 » by **cycl0nus** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:52 am

lol, underrated?? hes been exposed. hes not a top tier guard, and definitely not a player u build around. he wouldnt make a big three trio. he would be the 4th guy, slighly better than cj mccollum

IAMZOOTED2 · Post #108 » by **IAMZOOTED2** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:11 am

KrazyP wrote:
XxIronChainzxX wrote:
IAMZOOTED2 wrote:Demar had the Spurs in the top5 for offense last season... Sure, her had help, but he carried the team plenty, too. He may not be too 20 but he's close and still very effective in many schemes and actions

In the regular season. He feasts on bad teams. It's just a talent issue. It's a shame.

He was perfectly fine in the playoffs last year.

22/7/5, 23.2 PER, 48% from field, .557 TS% on 27.7% usage and his D was actually ok as well. The Spurs ended up taking the #2 seed to 7 games.

That's the real spit. Demar DID do well in last year's playoffs. And paired up with Dijontey "hot mustard" Murray next year he fittna get lit er'y night.

RyderMike · Post #109 » by **RyderMike** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:17 am

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Cookin Baskets · Post #110 » by **Cookin Baskets** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:25 am

Well he gets swapped for Leonard and they win the title without him not the best for his stock. He is though basically viewed the same way as he was last year. Any 30 nba teams would be happy to have Derozan.

BloodNinja · Post #111 » by **BloodNinja** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:00 am

He's overrated. Good player but doesn't move the needle as evidenced in the playoffs every single year.

Chinook · Post #112 » by **Chinook** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:05 am

BloodNinja wrote:He's overrated. Good player but doesn't move the needle as evidenced in the playoffs every single year.

I guess Covington doesn't move the neddle either since his teams barely even make the playoffs.

gorz · Post #113 » by **gorz** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:26 am

dlts20 wrote:I don't think that people actually realize how many players are in the league when they call certain guys top 10 or top 20. He is no way near a top 20 player

Derozan is a top 30ish player

In no order

Clearly better

Kevin Durant
Kawhi Leonard
Steph Curry
Anthony Davis
LeBron James
Giannis Antetokounmpo
James Harden
Joel Embiid
Damian Lillard
KAT
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
Nikola Jokic
Paul George
Blake Griffin
Klay Thompson
Lamarcus Aldridge
Donovan Mitchell
Jimmy Butler
Draymond Green
Kemba Walker

Arguable (your preference)

Trae Young
Luka Doncic
D'Angelo Russell
Brad Beal
Victor Oladipo
John Wall
Kyle Lowry
Rudy Gobert
Ben Simmons
Jayson Tatum
Mike Conley
Chris Paul
Devin Booker
Jamal Murray
Tobias Harris

Clay Davis · Post #114 » by **Clay Davis** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:54 am

Gooner wrote:
skones wrote:
Gooner wrote:
He led the Raptors to conference finals, and he led them to best regular season record last season. He is top 20, just nowhere near someone like Kawhi.

Kyle Lowry was FAR and away the better player.

That's revisionist history. They were the same caliber of player, Lowry was fortunate that he got Kawhi Leonard, and that Siakam emerged as a borderline all star, so he was really a third option, and all he had to do was be a point guard.

It's not man. Lots of people on the Raps board always thought Lowry was the best player on the team since he got the starting position. We only made a serious run for the play-offs when Lowry was allowed to lead the team.

Derozan is a top 20-30 player and in the top 10 at his position (I put Jimmy, Klay, CJ, Harden, Beal, Oladipo over him). One of the best midrange scorers in the league and he was actually a pretty good distributor last year. He's going to be a dope secondary ball handler for the Spurs this year, probably the best one they've had since prime Manu.

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dhsilv2 · Post #115 » by **dhsilv2** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:56 am

gorz wrote:
dlts20 wrote:I don't think that people actually realize how many players are in the league when they call certain guys top 10 or top 20. He is no way near a top 20 player

Derozan is a top 30ish player

In no order

Clearly better

Kevin Durant
Kawhi Leonard
Steph Curry
Anthony Davis
LeBron James
Giannis Antetokounmpo
James Harden
Joel Embiid
Damian Lillard
KAT
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
Nikola Jokic
Paul George
Blake Griffin
Klay Thompson
Lamarcus Aldridge
Donovan Mitchell
Jimmy Butler
Draymond Green
Kemba Walker

Arguable (your preference)

Trae Young
Luka Doncic
D'Angelo Russell
Brad Beal
Victor Oladipo
John Wall
Kyle Lowry
Rudy Gobert
Ben Simmons
Jayson Tatum
Mike Conley
Chris Paul
Devin Booker
Jamal Murray
Tobias Harris

This might be the most insane attack on Gobert of all time! A at worst top 15 player....

Kahn_2001 · Post #116 » by **Kahn_2001** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:04 am

DeMar is hated on because he doesn't shoot the three, but he's one of the better scorers in the league. He's also a great distributer and can run an offense as he did last year. You don't average 27ppg in a season with no three point shot without being a very good player.

He was also great in the playoffs for the Spurs and had some really great games as a raptor. He would be a very good 3rd option on a contender.

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Gooner · Post #117 » by **Gooner** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:24 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:
gorz wrote:Hes very underrated on realgm. The way some ppl talk about him you would have thought he was a scrub. What makes oladipo booker or beal better than him?..none of those guys have proven anything yet.

Beal and Oladipo are better scorers than DeMar...and Oladipo is a significantly better defender. They both can shoot as well.

No one thinks Devin Booker is good, so that's a strange name to bring up.

Oladipo had one good season, stop it. He is also overrated defender. Better than DeMar, but he is more of a "steals" guy than a lock down defender. James Harden gets a lot of steals too.

Gooner · Post #118 » by **Gooner** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:30 am

The_Hater wrote:
mademan wrote:And ya, dont get it twisted, Lowry has always been the best player and the leader of the team.

90% of connected Raptor fans will tell you that Lowry was the best player on those teams where they shared the spotlight, every season he would win the vote in the Raptors forum with around 90% of the total votes between them.

It’s the people who aren’t Raptor fans or are just causal Raptor fans who wrongly thought it was Derozan, mainly because those fans gravitate towards the leading scorer and ignore everything that matters.

Realistically, DeRozan and Lowry are the same caliber of players. They both did great things for the Raptors, but they were both exposed when they matched up against big boys in the playoffs. Lowry was fortunate to play with a guy like Kawhi, who is an all time great, so he could just be a solid point guard and third option on offense behind him and Siakam. When DeMar was there, the burden was too big for him and Lowry. We'll see how Raptors do this year without Kawhi. They will struggle to make the playoffs I think.

Gooner · Post #119 » by **Gooner** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:38 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
skones wrote:
Gooner wrote:
That's revisionist history. They were the same caliber of player, Lowry was fortunate that he got Kawhi Leonard, and that Siakam emerged as a borderline all star, so he was really a third option, and all he had to do was be a point guard.

It's not revisionist history, it's you not knowing what you're talking about. You literally cited PPGZZZZZ as your argument two posts prior. It's like saying Blake Griffin was a similar caliber player as Chris Paul because Blake Griffin scored more! He wasn't, because that's not how it works.

Derozan can go out and get you a bucket when you need one. That's his utility to the team, but on the whole, his numbers have consistently rung hollow throughout his career. Lowry has always been the engine that made Toronto go, and that remained true until the playoffs when Kawhi took over.

Can Demar go and get you a bucket? He’s a very average efficiency player. I’d trust Lowrys playmaking any day to get an easy layup from a big or an open 3 over a Demar fade away long 2 clank

You guys are bigging up Lowry so much now after he had the fortune to play with Kawhi. I'm not taking anything away from him, but he is not some superstar all of a sudden. He was a third option last season. We'll see the Raptors now without both Kawhi and DeMar. They won't be as good as they were when Demar was here, I guarantee you that, and that myth about Raptors playing better with him on the bench will be debunked.

Gooner · Post #120 » by **Gooner** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:41 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:
Gooner wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
That one is obvious as hell, lol. You'll consistently see 3 and D players doing well on RPM because they are extremely valuable players. The two players however have different roles on the court and we have to evaluate RPM within that context. You cannot simply say a player has a higher or lower RPM or any metric without first apply context to the role and player. Take a few hours and really study the metric and come back with questions, maybe make a thread to ask people who understand stats and can help you get a better grasp on all the information we have.

FYI in case you're confused, Leonard was not an MVP level player in the regular season this year.

Klay Thompson was around 170th place in RPM, and he is a prototypical 3 and D player. Khris Middleton and Malcolm Brogdon were outside of top 50, behind George Hill and Bledsoe. Context matters, as you say, so these raw stats don't mean anything, they just serve as a distraction and food for bias.

None of those players are 3 and D players....I am not sure how anyone can think Eric Bledsoe and Danny Green have the same role on a team.

I was comparing him to Middleton and Brogdon, not Bledsoe. They are 3 and D players.