Official 2019 Offseason Training Thread (Update: New Pascal Footage)

[wigginstruther]

Stanley Johnson videos and highlights are the most confusing thing ever. I have no idea how he is so terrible watching them and seeing his physical profile

Agreed. For some reason his game doesnt transfer to real games. All the tools seem to be there, including a decent looking jump shot!!

Van Gundy benching him after slight mistakes. Questioning his sense/work ethic in front of the media and ruining his confidence. Contrast that to how Nurse gushes about Pascal and Freddy continuously. Allowed Pascal to play through mistakes as a means of development. Wrote up a game winning play just for him. Stuck by Freddy in front of the media when he was ass during the Sixers series. Giving young players with high ceilings loose leashes is so vital for their growth and confidence.

[alan_156]

Nick nurse has said and done all the right things. I know some of us were unhappy that Masai chose to give nurse a chance but he's been really great so far. He's not perfect but he's definitely gonna grow to be one of the top coaches in this league in a couple years.

On a side note, our season really depends on OG's growth. I really hope he's worked on his handles, his ability to shoot and take his man off the dribble. If OG doesn't take some sort of leap forward this year I think it's safe to classify him as a bust. He won't get a better opportunity than this upcoming season to really platoon his career.

We're labeling 22 year old, non lottery picks "busts" if they plateau? All OG needs to do is stay healthy, catch and shoot at a decent clip and continue to grow offensively with elite defense. Masai chose him knowing he'd be a project. He's a classic "high floor, low ceiling" player, meaning he may never be a Kawhi sort of sniper, but the worse he'll be a talented role player.

I'm honestly thinking we'll see Stanley make the leap whilst OG continues to work on his ball IQ and handle. I like the idea of OG playing an oversized 2 a la PG13 and Kawhi sharing the court.

Absolutely, very rarely does a player turn into an above average player after given all the minutes OG has/will be handed to him after 4 years playing in this league.

People have been talking about building the future with siakim and OG. OG will be handed all the minutes he can handle this year, if he doesnt take that next step forward then it's time to realize he may just be a solid role player.

No one builds a team around a Jae crowder type of player. Fvv, siakim and OG came into the league around the same time, 2 of those players have shown drastic improvement given their opportunity and only one hasn't. That's the reality.

I hope he takes that next step.

[niQ]

[HeadtopChunes]

Is it possible OG isn’t taking part in any runs because he’s still recovering?

[bongmarley]

Is it possible OG isn’t taking part in any runs because he’s still recovering?

OG is there too. he was with the team walking off the bus in the insta post on last page

[Kevin Willis]

OG is looking a little big, he needs to get down to Stanley Johnson size. Looking forward to some RHJ, Stanley Johnson and OG battles this season. Theoretically it should make all 3 better players and the best will start.

[HeadtopChunes]

OG is looking a little big, he needs to get down to Stanley Johnson size. Looking forward to some RHJ, Stanley Johnson and OG battles this season. Theoretically it should make all 3 better players and the best will start.

Isnt Stanley the second heaviest forward in the league? (Behind zion i think)

OG has a pretty big frame i think hes gonna end up being pretty heavy similar to Artest when he grows into it.

If he can maintain his high end lateral quickness with it i think its a good thing. OG did seem to lack core strength to me at times during the season

[Kevin Willis]

OG is looking a little big, he needs to get down to Stanley Johnson size. Looking forward to some RHJ, Stanley Johnson and OG battles this season. Theoretically it should make all 3 better players and the best will start.

Isnt Stanley the second heaviest forward in the league? (Behind zion i think)

OG has a pretty big frame i think hes gonna end up being pretty heavy similar to Artest when he grows into it.

If he can maintain his high end lateral quickness with it i think its a good thing. OG did seem to lack core strength to me at times during the season

I didn't know Stanley Johnson was that big. OG is a big dude. All 3 are actually, if they can keep their defenders in front of them they can be extremely disruptive on defense. I know we lost 2 great defenders in Kawhi and Green but Kawhi missed a lot of games and Green was getting a step slower. It's possible overall we can be a better defensive team this year.

I would like to see McCaw in these workouts. A lot to see actually. If Boucher can show us something new like Pascal did last year, that would also be nice to see.

[HeadtopChunes]

OG is looking a little big, he needs to get down to Stanley Johnson size. Looking forward to some RHJ, Stanley Johnson and OG battles this season. Theoretically it should make all 3 better players and the best will start.

Isnt Stanley the second heaviest forward in the league? (Behind zion i think)

OG has a pretty big frame i think hes gonna end up being pretty heavy similar to Artest when he grows into it.

If he can maintain his high end lateral quickness with it i think its a good thing. OG did seem to lack core strength to me at times during the season

I didn't know Stanley Johnson was that big. OG is a big dude. All 3 are actually, if they can keep their defenders in front of them they can be extremely disruptive on defense. I know we lost 2 great defenders in Kawhi and Green but Kawhi missed a lot of games and Green was getting a step slower. It's possible overall we can be a better defensive team this year.

I would like to see McCaw in these workouts. A lot to see actually. If Boucher can show us something new like Pascal did last year, that would also be nice to see.

Just checked Stanley is not the second heaviest but he's listed at 6'7 and 245lbs

for comparison,

Lebron is listed at 6'8 250lbs
Embiid at 7'0 and 250lbs
OG is listed as 6'8 232
Siakam 6'9 230
Rondae is listed surprisingly low at 6'7 217lbs

Yeah, the defense is one thing I'm looking forward to. A lot of athletic, disruptive and smart defenders and out coaching staff has shown themselves to be rather creative on that end so it should be fun.

[ItsDanger]

I guarantee OG is heavier than 232. He's 245+ easily.

[wigginstruther]

OG lost a lot of muscle after the surgery. He's probably bulking right now then will cut more during September/October.

[Asif16]

Hope OG doesnt take the John wall route.

Wall was HEAVY last season. Probably one of the reasons for his injuries

[HeadtopChunes]

I guarantee OG is heavier than 232. He's 245+ easily.

Seems like most of his weight is in his legs his torso/arms aren’t that that thick

[Danny1616]

Nick nurse has said and done all the right things. I know some of us were unhappy that Masai chose to give nurse a chance but he's been really great so far. He's not perfect but he's definitely gonna grow to be one of the top coaches in this league in a couple years.

On a side note, our season really depends on OG's growth. I really hope he's worked on his handles, his ability to shoot and take his man off the dribble. If OG doesn't take some sort of leap forward this year I think it's safe to classify him as a bust. He won't get a better opportunity than this upcoming season to really platoon his career.

LOL.

It's hilarious he's considering OG is a bust when he has already surpassed expectations for a 20th overall pick.

[MixxSRC]

Nick nurse has said and done all the right things. I know some of us were unhappy that Masai chose to give nurse a chance but he's been really great so far. He's not perfect but he's definitely gonna grow to be one of the top coaches in this league in a couple years.

On a side note, our season really depends on OG's growth. I really hope he's worked on his handles, his ability to shoot and take his man off the dribble. If OG doesn't take some sort of leap forward this year I think it's safe to classify him as a bust. He won't get a better opportunity than this upcoming season to really platoon his career.

LOL.

It's hilarious he's considering OG is a bust when he has already surpassed expectations for a 20th overall pick.

Nah people got it in their heads he's lottery pick now

[OAKLEY_2]

Nick nurse has said and done all the right things. I know some of us were unhappy that Masai chose to give nurse a chance but he's been really great so far. He's not perfect but he's definitely gonna grow to be one of the top coaches in this league in a couple years.

On a side note, our season really depends on OG's growth. I really hope he's worked on his handles, his ability to shoot and take his man off the dribble. If OG doesn't take some sort of leap forward this year I think it's safe to classify him as a bust. He won't get a better opportunity than this upcoming season to really platoon his career.

We're labeling 22 year old, non lottery picks "busts" if they plateau? All OG needs to do is stay healthy, catch and shoot at a decent clip and continue to grow offensively with elite defense. Masai chose him knowing he'd be a project. He's a classic "high floor, low ceiling" player, meaning he may never be a Kawhi sort of sniper, but the worse he'll be a talented role player.

I'm honestly thinking we'll see Stanley make the leap whilst OG continues to work on his ball IQ and handle. I like the idea of OG playing an oversized 2 a la PG13 and Kawhi sharing the court.

Absolutely, very rarely does a player turn into an above average player after given all the minutes OG has/will be handed to him after 4 years playing in this league.

People have been talking about building the future with siakim and OG. OG will be handed all the minutes he can handle this year, if he doesnt take that next step forward then it's time to realize he may just be a solid role player.

No one builds a team around a Jae crowder type of player. Fvv, siakim and OG came into the league around the same time, 2 of those players have shown drastic improvement given their opportunity and only one hasn't. That's the reality.

I hope he takes that next step.

After two seasons we shouldn't imagine "reality". He is projected to be primarily an elite lock down defender and currently he has less than two years on his resume. So, might still be way too early to give expert analysis. Year one he played 20 mins a game. Year two the same on a stacked team where he had multiple things distract from his progress and was too easily replaced. The one thing that is a concern is his offence. Like Poetl he lacks a killer instinct despite excellent defensive numbers. Nurse is going to have to green light him and see if that improves his offence. Like Danny Green he has those two point games. He should be able to be a much better and consistent contributor on offence but the point about experience and IQ is true and is a work in progress. Truth be told as a college player and in the NBA he has next to no body of work.

[OAKLEY_2]

LOL.

It's hilarious he's considering OG is a bust when he has already surpassed expectations for a 20th overall pick.

Nah people got it in their heads he's lottery pick now

Without the injury he was a 10-15 pick for sure. For comparison Cameron Payne was a lottery pick. So not getting what your point is.

On a side note why isn't Cameron Payne with these guys?

[OAKLEY_2]

Nick nurse has said and done all the right things. I know some of us were unhappy that Masai chose to give nurse a chance but he's been really great so far. He's not perfect but he's definitely gonna grow to be one of the top coaches in this league in a couple years.

On a side note, our season really depends on OG's growth. I really hope he's worked on his handles, his ability to shoot and take his man off the dribble. If OG doesn't take some sort of leap forward this year I think it's safe to classify him as a bust. He won't get a better opportunity than this upcoming season to really platoon his career.

LOL.

It's hilarious he's considering OG is a bust when he has already surpassed expectations for a 20th overall pick.

He was considered a pick that fell like hard Drummond. He was picked 23rd and most of the hype about him being a higher pick was because of high school accomplishments and Dick Vitale boosterizing him in the tournament where he looked beyond amazing.

[LoveMyRaps]

[alan_156]

We're labeling 22 year old, non lottery picks "busts" if they plateau? All OG needs to do is stay healthy, catch and shoot at a decent clip and continue to grow offensively with elite defense. Masai chose him knowing he'd be a project. He's a classic "high floor, low ceiling" player, meaning he may never be a Kawhi sort of sniper, but the worse he'll be a talented role player.

I'm honestly thinking we'll see Stanley make the leap whilst OG continues to work on his ball IQ and handle. I like the idea of OG playing an oversized 2 a la PG13 and Kawhi sharing the court.

Absolutely, very rarely does a player turn into an above average player after given all the minutes OG has/will be handed to him after 4 years playing in this league.

People have been talking about building the future with siakim and OG. OG will be handed all the minutes he can handle this year, if he doesnt take that next step forward then it's time to realize he may just be a solid role player.

No one builds a team around a Jae crowder type of player. Fvv, siakim and OG came into the league around the same time, 2 of those players have shown drastic improvement given their opportunity and only one hasn't. That's the reality.

I hope he takes that next step.

After two seasons we shouldn't imagine "reality". He is projected to be primarily an elite lock down defender and currently he has less than two years on his resume. So, might still be way too early to give expert analysis. Year one he played 20 mins a game. Year two the same on a stacked team where he had multiple things distract from his progress and was too easily replaced. The one thing that is a concern is his offence. Like Poetl he lacks a killer instinct despite excellent defensive numbers. Nurse is going to have to green light him and see if that improves his offence. Like Danny Green he has those two point games. He should be able to be a much better and consistent contributor on offence but the point about experience and IQ is true and is a work in progress. Truth be told as a college player and in the NBA he has next to no body of work.

2 years ago he started 62 out of the 74 games he played, he was handed that opportunity and did nothing with it. Yes he's had some unfortunate circumstances with injury and personal things happen to him but siakim and van vleet both took the opportunity given to them and forced the coaches to play and trust them.

Again,