closg00 wrote:https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/7/29/8938000/bradley-beal-nba-washington-wizards-trade
While it's too early to panic, it's not too early to conclude we cannot let the situation reach the Kemba Walker stage.
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closg00 wrote:https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/7/29/8938000/bradley-beal-nba-washington-wizards-trade
Ruzious wrote:closg00 wrote:https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/7/29/8938000/bradley-beal-nba-washington-wizards-trade
While it's too early to panic, it's not too early to conclude we cannot let the situation reach the Kemba Walker stage.
Bickerstaff: who's up for kickball?!!
Ed Wood: Only if it's the no-pants variety.
nate33 wrote:I really get the sense that management has their eyes wide open on this issue. They are in constant communication with Beal and have a plan in place. It may well be the case that Bryant, Hachimura, and Brown don't pan out and Beal ultimately decides that he wants to move on, but I really don't think the Wizards will be blindsided by the decision. They'll get enough notice that they'll have time to trade him for value.
The worst case is not that Beal leaves for nothing like Kemba. It's that he will be traded at the Trade Deadline in 2021 for maybe 80% of his peak trade value.
nate33 wrote:I really get the sense that management has their eyes wide open on this issue. They are in constant communication with Beal and have a plan in place. It may well be the case that Bryant, Hachimura, and Brown don't pan out and Beal ultimately decides that he wants to move on, but I really don't think the Wizards will be blindsided by the decision. They'll get enough notice that they'll have time to trade him for value.
The worst case is not that Beal leaves for nothing like Kemba. It's that he will be traded at the Trade Deadline in 2021 for maybe 80% of his peak trade value.
Ruzious wrote:nate33 wrote:I really get the sense that management has their eyes wide open on this issue. They are in constant communication with Beal and have a plan in place. It may well be the case that Bryant, Hachimura, and Brown don't pan out and Beal ultimately decides that he wants to move on, but I really don't think the Wizards will be blindsided by the decision. They'll get enough notice that they'll have time to trade him for value.
The worst case is not that Beal leaves for nothing like Kemba. It's that he will be traded at the Trade Deadline in 2021 for maybe 80% of his peak trade value.
Well, looking at Charlotte, I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion - though obviously I'd rather get 200% rather than 80% for Beal. They not only have probably the worst roster in the East, but they have very little as far as young talent. They could have started up the rebuilding process a year ago if they traded Kemba a year ago - improving their lotto pick and getting young assets for Kemba - even if they only got 80% of his max value for him. Now they have PJ Washington to build around. Ouch. Actually, if they finally let Willy Hernangomez play, he could be a stud, but he'll be a UFA after this season. They won 39 games last season - they'll win less than 25 this season with very little as far young assets and picks. That's what I don't want the Wiz to follow.
DCZards wrote:nate33 wrote:I really get the sense that management has their eyes wide open on this issue. They are in constant communication with Beal and have a plan in place. It may well be the case that Bryant, Hachimura, and Brown don't pan out and Beal ultimately decides that he wants to move on, but I really don't think the Wizards will be blindsided by the decision. They'll get enough notice that they'll have time to trade him for value.
The worst case is not that Beal leaves for nothing like Kemba. It's that he will be traded at the Trade Deadline in 2021 for maybe 80% of his peak trade value.
Agree. The Zards should know by the end of next season whether or not Beal is going to resign. If there are signals that he isn't going to resign, then, yes, you look to trade him. There will still be plenty of suitors.
But there's no need to trade BB now or before the end of next season, especially when there's a good chance he'll resign with the Zards. I'd rather risk getting 20% or so less for Beal next year than give up now on the possibility that he'll resign.
Illmatic12 wrote:The percentage chance that we get a high lottery pick and can use it to complement Beal (either through drafting or trading for pieces) is well worth holding off any decision on Brad until next offseason .
Jamaaliver wrote:That's just such a dangerous approach to take. Primarily since Beal will be down to only one year under contract -- limiting his potential trade value.
And also because another bottom 5 finish in the standings could incite him to decide he's ready to move on.
I mean, if the prospect of playing alongside Zion Williamson wasn't enough to convince Anthony Davis to stick around New Orleans, I similarly doubt any of next year's prospects will inspire Beal to stick in a place solely for a less heralded rookie.
DCZards wrote:We get that the Zards risk not getting nearly as much in return if they wait until next year to trade Beal.
But some of us believe the reward—Beal resigning with the Zards—significantly outweighs that risk.
Bleacher ReportIdeal Landing Spots for NBA Offseason's Remaining Trade Targets
Bradley Beal: Denver Nuggets
Bradley Beal has plenty of good reasons to decline the three-year, $111 million extension the Washington Wizards offered last week, according to The Athletic's David Aldridge, not the least of which is the more lucrative supermax extension for which he might be eligible next offseason.
Money aside, Beal should be cautious about committing to a team whose long-term prospects appear as bleak as Washington's.
The Denver Nuggets are a perfect foil for the Wizards. Led by Nikola Jokic and in possession of a locked-in core of players just now entering their primes, the Nuggets are a franchise poised for a long run of success. Adding Beal, perhaps for a package including Gary Harris and Michael Porter Jr., would elevate an already lofty ceiling in Denver.
Jamal Murray has the franchise's faith, as evidenced by his new $170 million deal, but Beal is already the type of established first option the Nuggets hope Murray can become. The two could coexist nicely, offering scoring and playmaking at both guard spots.
An upgrade over the solid-but-unspectacular Harris, Beal would give the Nuggets a do-it-all wing whose production should only improve with Jokic operating as his set-up man. Beal proved he could handle high-usage work last year, finishing as one of just eight qualified players to average at least 25 points and five assists. With the supporting talent in Denver, he would feast on easier looks and might get to rest off the ball once in a while.
The Golden State Warriors' demise opened up the title chase, and Beal could be the player who puts Denver over the top in a crowded field of ring-pursuers.
Jamaaliver wrote:I can't imagine this trade package appeals to Wiz fans at all...Bleacher ReportIdeal Landing Spots for NBA Offseason's Remaining Trade Targets
Bradley Beal: Denver Nuggets
Bradley Beal has plenty of good reasons to decline the three-year, $111 million extension the Washington Wizards offered last week, according to The Athletic's David Aldridge, not the least of which is the more lucrative supermax extension for which he might be eligible next offseason.
Money aside, Beal should be cautious about committing to a team whose long-term prospects appear as bleak as Washington's.
The Denver Nuggets are a perfect foil for the Wizards. Led by Nikola Jokic and in possession of a locked-in core of players just now entering their primes, the Nuggets are a franchise poised for a long run of success. Adding Beal, perhaps for a package including Gary Harris and Michael Porter Jr., would elevate an already lofty ceiling in Denver.
Jamal Murray has the franchise's faith, as evidenced by his new $170 million deal, but Beal is already the type of established first option the Nuggets hope Murray can become. The two could coexist nicely, offering scoring and playmaking at both guard spots.
An upgrade over the solid-but-unspectacular Harris, Beal would give the Nuggets a do-it-all wing whose production should only improve with Jokic operating as his set-up man. Beal proved he could handle high-usage work last year, finishing as one of just eight qualified players to average at least 25 points and five assists. With the supporting talent in Denver, he would feast on easier looks and might get to rest off the ball once in a while.
The Golden State Warriors' demise opened up the title chase, and Beal could be the player who puts Denver over the top in a crowded field of ring-pursuers.
Illmatic12 wrote:DCZards wrote:nate33 wrote:I really get the sense that management has their eyes wide open on this issue. They are in constant communication with Beal and have a plan in place. It may well be the case that Bryant, Hachimura, and Brown don't pan out and Beal ultimately decides that he wants to move on, but I really don't think the Wizards will be blindsided by the decision. They'll get enough notice that they'll have time to trade him for value.
The worst case is not that Beal leaves for nothing like Kemba. It's that he will be traded at the Trade Deadline in 2021 for maybe 80% of his peak trade value.
Agree. The Zards should know by the end of next season whether or not Beal is going to resign. If there are signals that he isn't going to resign, then, yes, you look to trade him. There will still be plenty of suitors.
But there's no need to trade BB now or before the end of next season, especially when there's a good chance he'll resign with the Zards. I'd rather risk getting 20% or so less for Beal next year than give up now on the possibility that he'll resign.
The percentage chance that we get a high lottery pick and can use it to complement Beal (either through drafting or trading for pieces) is well worth holding off any decision on Brad until next offseason .
That’s what many are forgetting when they think the Wizards have no assets - we own all of our future firsts. Based on the way this roster is looking, 9 months from now Washington’s 2020 1st is going to be one of the most valuable assets in the league and I expect Sheppard to explore all avenues.
Jamaaliver wrote:Illmatic12 wrote:The percentage chance that we get a high lottery pick and can use it to complement Beal (either through drafting or trading for pieces) is well worth holding off any decision on Brad until next offseason .
That's just such a dangerous approach to take. Primarily since Beal will be down to only one year under contract -- limiting his potential trade value.
And also because another bottom 5 finish in the standings could incite him to decide he's ready to move on.
I mean, if the prospect of playing alongside Zion Williamson wasn't enough to convince Anthony Davis to stick around New Orleans, I similarly doubt any of next year's prospects will inspire Beal to stick in a place solely for a less heralded rookie.
pcbothwel wrote:Illmatic12 wrote:DCZards wrote:
Agree. The Zards should know by the end of next season whether or not Beal is going to resign. If there are signals that he isn't going to resign, then, yes, you look to trade him. There will still be plenty of suitors.
But there's no need to trade BB now or before the end of next season, especially when there's a good chance he'll resign with the Zards. I'd rather risk getting 20% or so less for Beal next year than give up now on the possibility that he'll resign.
The percentage chance that we get a high lottery pick and can use it to complement Beal (either through drafting or trading for pieces) is well worth holding off any decision on Brad until next offseason .
That’s what many are forgetting when they think the Wizards have no assets - we own all of our future firsts. Based on the way this roster is looking, 9 months from now Washington’s 2020 1st is going to be one of the most valuable assets in the league and I expect Sheppard to explore all avenues.
Again..this cant be stated enough. We have a two year window with Brad, but we will know in 10 months key questions about Wall, Brown, Bryant, Rui, and our 2020 pick.
All could fall apart and we would still have time to move Beal.
Illmatic12 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Illmatic12 wrote:The percentage chance that we get a high lottery pick and can use it to complement Beal (either through drafting or trading for pieces) is well worth holding off any decision on Brad until next offseason .
That's just such a dangerous approach to take. Primarily since Beal will be down to only one year under contract -- limiting his potential trade value.
And also because another bottom 5 finish in the standings could incite him to decide he's ready to move on.
I mean, if the prospect of playing alongside Zion Williamson wasn't enough to convince Anthony Davis to stick around New Orleans, I similarly doubt any of next year's prospects will inspire Beal to stick in a place solely for a less heralded rookie.
Anthony Davis was traded with 1yr left on his deal and that situation worked out wonderfully for New Orleans, you are literally proving our point lol. They took their time and it still turned out great for them bc they held all the cards.
So that’s just more proof that the Wizards can afford to be patient with Beal and reassess things a year from now. Either way it goes they’ll be fine.
pcbothwel wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:I can't imagine this trade package appeals to Wiz fans at all...SNIP
...Adding Beal, perhaps for a package including Gary Harris and Michael Porter Jr....
It doesnt in the slightest
Beal set a career-high last season with 61 dunks. That was the most by a Wizards/Bullets guard since at least 1999-00, as far back as the stat is tracked by Basketball Reference. Beal also both attempted and made a higher percentage of shots within three feet of his career. Of all his field goals, 28.1 percent were attempted within three feet and he made 69.7 percent of them. His average shot attempt was from 14.7 feet out, the closest to the rim of his career.