Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

[FlatearthZorro]

Kyrie Irving absolutely quit on the Celtics in that Bucks series. No question about it. He deserves to be booed.

I'm regretting this pot before I even make it but: care to elaborate? Anyone care to post some video clips that show this? I'm not trying to be a jert, and I'm not really a Kyrie fan at all, but to me this just seems like one of those things people keep saying because people keep saying it. He didn't have a great series against the Bucks. Sure. But these comments (and not just yours, but a series comments all saying about the same thing) seem to indicate there was some moment where he just gave up. I get that he was already looking to play elsewhere next year, but I don't get the idea he wasn't trying. I did watch all the games, but maybe I'm wrong. Is there stuff that happened in games that anyone can point to?

And again, I'm really not looking for a fight or trying to be a jerk. I was never a Kyrie fan. Never hated him either. Not my kind of point guard. But this constant narrative that he gave up seems to me to be only based on media reports and not game play. The most plausible thing to me was that he decided long before the playoffs that he was going to leave. Then he tried his hardest and he didn't play that well and the team lost to the bucks.

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Btw, I posted that video twice and just for the record its only after 3 games of the series. Irving regresses further in games 4 and 5 imo.

[Half-Full]

I really wish that C's fans would surprise everyone...and NOT boo Kyrie when he comes back...this crap is getting old...Ray Allen, Durant for not choosing us, etc....take the high road for a change. Now if Mark Blount ever steps foot in the Garden, that's a different story.

Kyrie Irving absolutely quit on the Celtics in that Bucks series. No question about it. He deserves to be booed.

I'm regretting this pot before I even make it but: care to elaborate? Anyone care to post some video clips that show this? I'm not trying to be a jert, and I'm not really a Kyrie fan at all, but to me this just seems like one of those things people keep saying because people keep saying it. He didn't have a great series against the Bucks. Sure. But these comments (and not just yours, but a series comments all saying about the same thing) seem to indicate there was some moment where he just gave up. I get that he was already looking to play elsewhere next year, but I don't get the idea he wasn't trying. I did watch all the games, but maybe I'm wrong. Is there stuff that happened in games that anyone can point to?

And again, I'm really not looking for a fight or trying to be a jerk. I was never a Kyrie fan. Never hated him either. Not my kind of point guard. But this constant narrative that he gave up seems to me to be only based on media reports and not game play. The most plausible thing to me was that he decided long before the playoffs that he was going to leave. Then he tried his hardest and he didn't play that well and the team lost to the bucks.

I didn't think Kyrie had given up. I did think that he was ineffective. He wasn't playing team ball, and he was trying too hard. I think we all expected more and he failed to deliver. The Bucks' defense was very good, and that was certainly a factor. Like you, I don't hate Kyrie, but he certainly was a poor fit, and he clearly did not want to be on the Celtics. He's gone now, and that's fine with me. I wouldn't boo him, but if others want to, that's also fine with me. It is a fan's prerogative, and goes with the territory.

[2Mas]

Garnett is widely underrated. On a more talented team, he would've won titles much earlier in his career. I know people here will disagree with me but I'd take Garnett between 25-30 years of age over Duncan with ease. Just so versatile and so good at everything in basketball, crazy to think about it(via stats KG was the better shooter, passer, defensive rebounder, defender)...

Man I am 1,000% with you.

Of course you can't go wrong. But You switch KG onto SAS & Duncan onto Minny & I don't think much (if anything) changes. Minny still is a 1 star show w/ a terrible FO w/ a stud wasting his prime & the Spurs still win many rings.

I get why ppl say TD > KG. I feel like you have to with the titles & everything. But man. It kills me to see young ppl talk about KG like he's not right there at the top of the pf discussion.

[Parliament10]

12 years ago today, Kevin Garnett was traded to the Boston Celtics. Not long after, KG became my 2nd favorite Celtic ever. Him helping raise banner 17 didn't hurt either. Can't wait for the day the franchise raises his jersey to the rafters. There will be no other like him in the league.

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Garnett was one of the most Intense players.
I can remember him saying after moving to the Celtics, that he should have done it sooner.

[Bleeding Green]

Garnett is widely underrated. On a more talented team, he would've won titles much earlier in his career. I know people here will disagree with me but I'd take Garnett between 25-30 years of age over Duncan with ease. Just so versatile and so good at everything in basketball, crazy to think about it(via stats KG was the better shooter, passer, defensive rebounder, defender)...

Man I am 1,000% with you.

Of course you can't go wrong. But You switch KG onto SAS & Duncan onto Minny & I don't think much (if anything) changes. Minny still is a 1 star show w/ a terrible FO w/ a stud wasting his prime & the Spurs still win many rings.

I get why ppl say TD > KG. I feel like you have to with the titles & everything. But man. It kills me to see young ppl talk about KG like he's not right there at the top of the pf discussion.

They're so similar even from a raw counting stats perspective. But I was surprised that Duncan scored more per game when I just looked it up.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kevin+Garnett&player_id1_select=Kevin+Garnett&player_id1=garneke01&player_id2_hint=Tim+Duncan&player_id2_select=Tim+Duncan&player_id2=duncati01&idx=players

[FlatearthZorro]

Garnett is widely underrated. On a more talented team, he would've won titles much earlier in his career. I know people here will disagree with me but I'd take Garnett between 25-30 years of age over Duncan with ease. Just so versatile and so good at everything in basketball, crazy to think about it(via stats KG was the better shooter, passer, defensive rebounder, defender)...

Man I am 1,000% with you.

Of course you can't go wrong. But You switch KG onto SAS & Duncan onto Minny & I don't think much (if anything) changes. Minny still is a 1 star show w/ a terrible FO w/ a stud wasting his prime & the Spurs still win many rings.

I get why ppl say TD > KG. I feel like you have to with the titles & everything. But man. It kills me to see young ppl talk about KG like he's not right there at the top of the pf discussion.

They're so similar even from a raw counting stats perspective. But I was surprised that Duncan scored more per game when I just looked it up.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kevin+Garnett&player_id1_select=Kevin+Garnett&player_id1=garneke01&player_id2_hint=Tim+Duncan&player_id2_select=Tim+Duncan&player_id2=duncati01&idx=players

He was the main guy on a well oiled machine of a team. KG ranks better in defense(despite the sad teams he's played on with Minny), he's a better defensive rebounder, slightly worse on offense, just as good of a shot blocker, better passing the ball, better athlete, imo, much better defender and a lot more versatile on that end, too. Honestly, I'm bias, but I'd take Garnett. Garnett is the perfect big man. He's probably the most complete big man to ever play the game(no offense to Bill what he did was remarkable- his will, attitude, mentality are unmatched)... Oh and KG always had that kill or be killed mentality, no buddy-buddy bull for the most part, which I enjoyed, too.

[Parliament10]

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KG definitely played a second fiddle role, to Paul Pierce.
Though in truth (no pun intended) Garnett was the real leader.

[Parliament10]

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KG definitely played a second fiddle role, to Paul Pierce.
Though in truth (no pun intended) Garnett was the real leader.

KG did come in acting deferentially toward Paul, as if it were Paul's team. But KG was both the more critical, better player and also by far the more impactful and better leader. It was through the force of KG's personality that the complacent, selfish culture under Paul got turned around.

[2Mas]

They're so similar even from a raw counting stats perspective. But I was surprised that Duncan scored more per game when I just looked it up.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kevin+Garnett&player_id1_select=Kevin+Garnett&player_id1=garneke01&player_id2_hint=Tim+Duncan&player_id2_select=Tim+Duncan&player_id2=duncati01&idx=players

Well you gotta take into account that KG came into the league as a 19yr ol from HS. TD was 21+ after 4 yrs of college.

Kg's rookie yr he was 19 avg 10-6 in 28mpg. TD's rookie yr he was 21 & avg 21-12 in 39mpg.

& then at the end Duncan just aged better.

Duncan really only had 1 bad season. KG it was like 2 & change, 3 if going by stats. So thats where the big ppg diff comes in.

[Curmudgeon]

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This, is a nice place.

Hayward's little place must be on the wrong side of the tracks:
https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/rancho-santa-fe-ca-usa

[Darthlukey]

12 years ago today, Kevin Garnett was traded to the Boston Celtics. Not long after, KG became my 2nd favorite Celtic ever. Him helping raise banner 17 didn't hurt either. Can't wait for the day the franchise raises his jersey to the rafters. There will be no other like him in the league.

I was a kg fan and his trade to the Celtics has made me a life long Celtics fan!

[Darthlukey]

They're so similar even from a raw counting stats perspective. But I was surprised that Duncan scored more per game when I just looked it up.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kevin+Garnett&player_id1_select=Kevin+Garnett&player_id1=garneke01&player_id2_hint=Tim+Duncan&player_id2_select=Tim+Duncan&player_id2=duncati01&idx=players

Well you gotta take into account that KG came into the league as a 19yr ol from HS. TD was 21+ after 4 yrs of college.

Kg's rookie yr he was 19 avg 10-6 in 28mpg. TD's rookie yr he was 21 & avg 21-12 in 39mpg.

& then at the end Duncan just aged better.

Duncan really only had 1 bad season. KG it was like 2 & change, 3 if going by stats. So thats where the big ppg diff comes in.

KG actually dominated TD in career stats until the 2009 injury, then they started to lag TD

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

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This, is a nice place.

Hayward's little place must be on the wrong side of the tracks:
https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/rancho-santa-fe-ca-usa

Fantastic. I love checking out mansions. Makes me feel extremely poor, but I still do it nonetheless.

[brackdan70]

I'm regretting this pot before I even make it but: care to elaborate? Anyone care to post some video clips that show this? I'm not trying to be a jert, and I'm not really a Kyrie fan at all, but to me this just seems like one of those things people keep saying because people keep saying it. He didn't have a great series against the Bucks. Sure. But these comments (and not just yours, but a series comments all saying about the same thing) seem to indicate there was some moment where he just gave up. I get that he was already looking to play elsewhere next year, but I don't get the idea he wasn't trying. I did watch all the games, but maybe I'm wrong. Is there stuff that happened in games that anyone can point to?

And again, I'm really not looking for a fight or trying to be a jerk. I was never a Kyrie fan. Never hated him either. Not my kind of point guard. But this constant narrative that he gave up seems to me to be only based on media reports and not game play. The most plausible thing to me was that he decided long before the playoffs that he was going to leave. Then he tried his hardest and he didn't play that well and the team lost to the bucks.

Watch on YouTube

Btw, I posted that video twice and just for the record its only after 3 games of the series. Irving regresses further in games 4 and 5 imo.

**** Kyrie.

[cloverleaf]

There doesn't seem to be an ex-Celtic thread, so I'll just place this here. Somehow I missed it when it came out:

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/7/18/20699090/kendrick-perkins-espn-fox-kevin-durant-free-agency-tv-talking-head

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This, is a nice place.

Hayward's little place must be on the wrong side of the tracks:
https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/rancho-santa-fe-ca-usa

Kind of a weird location inland so neither on nor that near the water and not near either SD or LA. Have to drive anywhere.

[Ernest]

Good work on the Kyrie videos. Still hard to differentiate giving up and not being good in D and being tired. Anyways I’m glad he’s gone. The only way he would work for us is if he could completely take over games and win them for us in the playoffs. He couldn’t.

[Curmudgeon]

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This, is a nice place.

Hayward's little place must be on the wrong side of the tracks:
https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/rancho-santa-fe-ca-usa

Kind of a weird location inland so neither on nor that near the water and not near either SD or LA. Have to drive anywhere.

But that's what chauffeurs are for.

[sam_I_am]

Good work on the Kyrie videos. Still hard to differentiate giving up and not being good in D and being tired. Anyways I’m glad he’s gone. The only way he would work for us is if he could completely take over games and win them for us in the playoffs. He couldn’t.

It surprised me to see how big a drop off there was in playoffs. In the end, he was much worse in playoffs in Boston than IT. And he had a much stronger supporting cast in Boston.