Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher

[YogiStewart]

I dont mind getting Fisher at all, i like him very much, its what we had to trade to get him. As many said, if it were one of Biagini, Sanchez or Stevenson for Fisher then i can see the point. 2 for 1, im uncomfortable but still see the point. But 3 for 1, seems like more than they needed to give up and ONLY thing that can save them is Fisher hits out of the gate and becomes a starter for the Jays which is what i think the FO thinks - boy thats a gamble but they have to be sure in their mind to make this deal. This can backfire 3 times.

Yeah, the most likely scenario is that precisely no one in this trade does anything meaningfully positive for the duration of their career, but Fisher/Sanchez are similar as reclamation projects so it seems a bit excessive.

who has the higher ceiling?
and who is playing at a more valued position?

Jays got fleeced, dude

[Schad]

Huh? They attached Stephenson, the prospect. If they didn’t include him to dump Sanchez then they are just extremely bad at trading, which is sort of rhetorical at this point but there fetish for mediocre talent is really weird and unfortunately also detrimental to the rebuild of the team.

They included Stevenson because they like Fisher for some bizarre reason. There's literally no reason to add sweetener to move Sanchez; he isn't a bad contract (you can walk away from arbitration-eligible players after any season), he's just a bad player.

[gundysmullet]

I'll reserve judgment on this trade until I learn more about Fisher's ability to knock down the corner 3.

Oh who am I kidding - bizarre trade. Shatkins do know that guys are peaking in their mid to late 20s now, right? This guy is 26 next year and has been overmatched in a half season sample size in the bigs. The odds are very low he ever turns into much.

How many 4th outfielder AAAA types does one organization need?

McKinney
Grichuk
Hernandez
Fisher
Apparently four

[gundysmullet]

Huh? They attached Stephenson, the prospect. If they didn’t include him to dump Sanchez then they are just extremely bad at trading, which is sort of rhetorical at this point but there fetish for mediocre talent is really weird and unfortunately also detrimental to the rebuild of the team.

They included Stevenson because they like Fisher for some bizarre reason. There's literally no reason to add sweetener to move Sanchez; he isn't a bad contract (you can walk away from arbitration-eligible players after any season), he's just a bad player.

OK, fair enough. So yes, they just have this bizarre affinity for trading for mediocre to sub-par baseball players.

[KL78192020]

I dont mind getting Fisher at all, i like him very much, its what we had to trade to get him. As many said, if it were one of Biagini, Sanchez or Stevenson for Fisher then i can see the point. 2 for 1, im uncomfortable but still see the point. But 3 for 1, seems like more than they needed to give up and ONLY thing that can save them is Fisher hits out of the gate and becomes a starter for the Jays which is what i think the FO thinks - boy thats a gamble but they have to be sure in their mind to make this deal. This can backfire 3 times.

Yeah, the most likely scenario is that precisely no one in this trade does anything meaningfully positive for the duration of their career, but Fisher/Sanchez are similar as reclamation projects so it seems a bit excessive.

who has the higher ceiling?
and who is playing at a more valued position?

Jays got fleeced, dude

Was it you or someone else that said Sanchez shouldn’t have been made a starter a few years ago? Whoever it was is right lol. Should’ve stayed a reliever.

It was quite the debate back then

[Schad]

who has the higher ceiling?
and who is playing at a more valued position?

Jays got fleeced, dude

Fisher has the highest ceiling of any player in this trade, by some distance. The problem is that he's now extremely unlikely to reach that ceiling, and was probably going to be waiver wire fodder (and because we're trash, we'd be pretty high in waiver priority).

[YogiStewart]

I'll reserve judgment on this trade until I learn more about Fisher's ability to knock down the corner 3.

Oh who am I kidding - bizarre trade. Shatkins do know that guys are peaking in their mid to late 20s now, right? This guy is 26 next year and has been overmatched in a half season sample size in the bigs. The odds are very low he ever turns into much.

How many 4th outfielder AAAA types does one organization need?

McKinney
Grichuk
Hernandez
Fisher
Apparently four

you forgot Taco Burrito, whose AAA numbers have been alarmingly great

[YogiStewart]

who has the higher ceiling?
and who is playing at a more valued position?

Jays got fleeced, dude

Fisher has the highest ceiling of any player in this trade, by some distance. The problem is that he's now extremely unlikely to reach that ceiling, and was probably going to be waiver wire fodder (and because we're trash, we'd be pretty high in waiver priority).

not sure i agree. Sanchez has a higher ceiling if he finds his form and can avoid blisters. but we've been saying that for...3 years in a row?

[fbalmeida]

Two days worth of trades, and there goes our bullpen for some *meh*-level prospects.

This Sanchez-Biagini-Stevenson for Fisher trade is so bad it has everyone here doing a double-take: "I'm waiting to see if there's more...".

Here's as charitable as I can be at this hour: the only way this trade makes sense is if Fisher can reproduce his AAA numbers in the majors. So far he's failed miserably.

[bluerap23]

So does Fisher get added to 25 man? And who does he replace?

[vaff87]

who has the higher ceiling?
and who is playing at a more valued position?

Jays got fleeced, dude

Fisher has the highest ceiling of any player in this trade, by some distance. The problem is that he's now extremely unlikely to reach that ceiling, and was probably going to be waiver wire fodder (and because we're trash, we'd be pretty high in waiver priority).

In fairness, Fisher only has 312 career plate appearances. That’s not a lot. He was completely dreadful last year, but has improved to just “bad” in his 60 plate appearances this year.

Hopefully a change of scenery and maybe some consistent PT will help.

[vaff87]

Two days worth of trades, and there goes our bullpen for some *meh*-level prospects.

This Sanchez-Biagini-Stevenson for Fisher trade is so bad it has everyone here doing a double-take: "I'm waiting to see if there's more...".

Here's as charitable as I can be at this hour: the only way this trade makes sense is if Fisher can reproduce his AAA numbers in the majors. So far he's failed miserably.

You expected those bullpen pieces to fetch more than “meh” prospects? .... why?

[JaysRule15]

So, who's getting benched for Fisher in the outfield. It's not gonna be Gurriel. And it's not gonna be Grichuk since they just gave him a 5 year deal. Hernandez is getting benched?

[Schad]

not sure i agree. Sanchez has a higher ceiling if he finds his form and can avoid blisters. but we've been saying that for...3 years in a row?

And even Sanchez's one good season was deeply weird. Like, he wasn't throwing the ball in the zone more, and he wasn't getting a lot of swings and misses, but his walk rate magically dropped well below his career norm. He has also lost 2 mph off his fastball since then, which not only makes it less of a weapon, but has decreased the differential between that and his changeup (and his changeup has always been way too firm), rendering it less effective. In a relief role, he might increase that gap, and have perhaps a 97/90 FB/CH while throwing occasional curveballs.

He can still be a pretty decent reliever, IMO, it's just that a pretty decent reliever isn't terribly valuable in a league dotted with pretty decent relievers.

[Lateral Quicks]

This is the same front office that thought Socrates Brito was worth a look. I have little to no faith in their ability to judge talent at this point.

[fbalmeida]

Two days worth of trades, and there goes our bullpen for some *meh*-level prospects.

This Sanchez-Biagini-Stevenson for Fisher trade is so bad it has everyone here doing a double-take: "I'm waiting to see if there's more...".

Here's as charitable as I can be at this hour: the only way this trade makes sense is if Fisher can reproduce his AAA numbers in the majors. So far he's failed miserably.

You expected those bullpen pieces to fetch more than “meh” prospects? .... why?

Not really. But I didn't expect a *meh* prospect in Stevenson to be added to a deal to land an older former *meh* prospect.

[phillipmike]

So, who's getting benched for Fisher in the outfield. It's not gonna be Gurriel. And it's not gonna be Grichuk since they just gave him a 5 year deal. Hernandez is getting benched?

Gurriel left with an injury. Have the DH spot open too.

[vaff87]

So, who's getting benched for Fisher in the outfield. It's not gonna be Gurriel. And it's not gonna be Grichuk since they just gave him a 5 year deal. Hernandez is getting benched?

Yeah, that confuses me, too. Drury gets playing time out there as well. Jays like to rotate guys in and out of the line up, tho. And we don’t have anyone tied up at DH, at least.

[Schad]

Having DH occupied means Biggio at 2B most of the time, which further crowds Galvis out of the infield. Really not sure what his purpose with the club is at this point.

[ratul]

And the clustereff continues.