Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

[basketballRob]

Was playing around with the CARMELO rankings for next season:

Vucevic: Borderline All-star, +6.3 WARP, comparison: Robert Parish
DJ: Offensive specialist, +2.6 WARP, comparison: Jason Williams
Ross: Rotation player, +2.3 WARP, comparison: Gerald Green
AG: Up-and-comer, 2.3 WARP, comparison: Tobias
Aminu: Rotation player, +1.2 WARP, comparison: Marvin Williams
Birch: Rotation player, +1.0 WARP, comparison: Dedmon
Isaac: Up-and-comer, +0.3 WARP, comparison: Rasheed Wallace
Fultz: Up-and-comer, -0.3 WARP, comparison: Monta Ellis
Iwundu: Defensive specialist, -0.5 WARP, comparison: James Ennis III
Fournier: Average starter, -1.0 WARP, comparison: Allan Houston
Bamba: Defensive specialist, -1.0 WARP, comparison: Darko

I added Carter-Williams, who is Tariq Abdul-Wahad (was just thinking about him yesterday looking at the heart-N-hustle roster). And Frazier is David Pope (who?)


So this is the CARMELO depth chart:
Jason Williams/Monta Ellis/Tariq Abdul-Wahad
Allan Houston/Gerald Green/David Pope
Tobias Harris/James Ennis III
Rasheed Wallace/Marvin Williams
Robert Parish/Darko Miličić/Dewayne Dedmon

Holy-crap, I love this team !

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I was just researching Tariq Abdul-Wahad because I couldn't remember his real name, which was Oliver St Jean. He played on the Wolverines with part of the Fab 5, the year after Webber left.

Then when I looked at the roster of the Fab 5 team, I saw Rob Pelinka's name. I never knew he was a former player

[basketballRob]

Looks like Evan will play for France.

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[GameOver25]

If you look at contracts of other guards, Evan isn't overpayed.

List of some guards and their yearly salary

Chris Paul $40M
Westbrook $38M
Lowry $33M
McCullum $28M
Derozan $28M
Wiggins $27M
Parsons $26M
Jeff Teague $19M
Dragić $19M
Nick Batum $25M
Allen Crabbe $18M
Tim Hardaway $19M
Reggie Jackson $19M
Garry Harris $18M
Bazemore $19,5M
Tyler Johnson $19M


Even some complete fails like Brandon Knight, Dennis Schroder, MKG, Marcus Smart and Solomon Hill make over $13M a year.

You could argue Evan is A LITTLE bit overpayed, but when you look at other guards, his contract isn't really that bad,
Just imagine being team that pays Kent Bazemore $19M a year.

+1 since you mentioned Kent Bazemore. Guy is a total scrub. Definition of "meh" player.

[JBSouthpaw]

Mo looks much bigger than Jaxson.

[fendilim]

Mo looks much bigger than Jaxson.

yeah, mo does looks quite built now. Thats what 6 months of weight training does to you, without playing competitive basketball. haha

[drsd]

Mo looks much bigger than Jaxson.

yeah, mo does looks quite built now. Thats what 6 months of weight training does to you, without playing competitive basketball. haha

Hopefully core leg strength was a priority.


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[Blue_and_Whte]

I know we tend to rag on Fournier a lot, and drool over McCollum but is he really 17 million dollars better than Fournier?! Good lawd.

Considering Evan isn't even worth his contract... then I'm going to say yes.

When guys like Harrison Barnes makes 21M/year, I wouldn't say that Fournier's contract is THAT bad.

Evan isnt even close to being overpaid.

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[Optimus_Steel]

Evan is not overpaid considering the contracts given last 3 years. And if he is able to return to his career shooting averages then that contract looks much better. He looked slow last year like he had a leg injury which I speculate affected his shooting and confidence. Hopefully he has gotten himself healthy this summer because we need him to shoot like 2 years ago.

[fendilim]

If you look at contracts of other guards, Evan isn't overpayed.

List of some guards and their yearly salary

Chris Paul $40M
Westbrook $38M
Lowry $33M
McCullum $28M
Derozan $28M
Wiggins $27M
Parsons $26M
Jeff Teague $19M
Dragić $19M
Nick Batum $25M
Allen Crabbe $18M
Tim Hardaway $19M
Reggie Jackson $19M
Garry Harris $18M
Bazemore $19,5M
Tyler Johnson $19M


Even some complete fails like Brandon Knight, Dennis Schroder, MKG, Marcus Smart and Solomon Hill make over $13M a year.

You could argue Evan is A LITTLE bit overpayed, but when you look at other guards, his contract isn't really that bad,
Just imagine being team that pays Kent Bazemore $19M a year.

+1 since you mentioned Kent Bazemore. Guy is a total scrub. Definition of "meh" player.

Bazemore was really good for bud in atl.

Regardless, i think he got paid for his productions that year. 3 and D players is very important the way games are played today.

[pepe1991]

If you look at contracts of other guards, Evan isn't overpayed.

List of some guards and their yearly salary

Chris Paul $40M
Westbrook $38M
Lowry $33M
McCullum $28M
Derozan $28M
Wiggins $27M
Parsons $26M
Jeff Teague $19M
Dragić $19M
Nick Batum $25M
Allen Crabbe $18M
Tim Hardaway $19M
Reggie Jackson $19M
Garry Harris $18M
Bazemore $19,5M
Tyler Johnson $19M


Even some complete fails like Brandon Knight, Dennis Schroder, MKG, Marcus Smart and Solomon Hill make over $13M a year.

You could argue Evan is A LITTLE bit overpayed, but when you look at other guards, his contract isn't really that bad,
Just imagine being team that pays Kent Bazemore $19M a year.

+1 since you mentioned Kent Bazemore. Guy is a total scrub. Definition of "meh" player.

Bazemore was really good for bud in atl.

Regardless, i think he got paid for his productions that year. 3 and D players is very important the way games are played today.

He had one good year and landed fat contract.
Than regressed back to his old self . Painfully mediocre shooter that size ( 6'5 ) does not allow him to play anything else but that.
Even his defense declined.

[drsd]

Moved this discussion line:

Some older vet free agents still on the market that might add some deep bench scoring/shooting: Vince Carter, Jamal Crawford, Thabo Sefalosha....also available, but we're probably better off going with PG's we have: Jeremy Lin, Shaun Livingston

Carter is heavily rumored to close out his career as a Raptor, and frankly, the Magic do not need another SF.

Jamal Crawford is an interesting idea. He is redundant to Ross, but a team can never have to much bench shooting. He is an insurance piece type of acquisition. I think he signs with the Wizards in the end.

Thabo Sefolosha: again, the Magic do not need another combo-wing.

Now we are on the meaty bit!
Jeremy Lin: I love this idea, if we knew he would be healthy. I fear he is damaged goods, and that that is the sole reason NBA teams have concluded his American basketball career is concluded. To be fair. a) coming out of an Ivy League school, he made north of 50M in the NBA and b) he is an NBA champion. Not a bad way to ride off to the sunset.

And finally:
Shaun Livingston is the perfect 14th man for this Magic roster. He provides all the tangible and intangible needs for a playoff team trying to get better. He is probable to sign with the Clippers (for the same reason George and Leonard did so). But wow would he look great in Orlando blue.


In conclusion: I think none of your suggestions are fits from the players' ends, but many are from the Magic side.


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[drsd]

I blame Augustin for missing the first place.

a) if Isaac is really 6'13" and not 6'10", the Magic average is 6'8", not 6'7.6"
b) if Fultz starts over Augustin, then this goes further to 6'8.8"

Thus, Orlando could be starting the second tallest team, and is probably starting the 7th tallest team.


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[ezzzp]

Moved this discussion line:

Some older vet free agents still on the market that might add some deep bench scoring/shooting: Vince Carter, Jamal Crawford, Thabo Sefalosha....also available, but we're probably better off going with PG's we have: Jeremy Lin, Shaun Livingston

Carter is heavily rumored to close out his career as a Raptor, and frankly, the Magic do not need another SF.

Jamal Crawford is an interesting idea. He is redundant to Ross, but a team can never have to much bench shooting. He is an insurance piece type of acquisition. I think he signs with the Wizards in the end.

Thabo Sefolosha: again, the Magic do not need another combo-wing.

Now we are on the meaty bit!
Jeremy Lin: I love this idea, if we knew he would be healthy. I fear he is damaged goods, and that that is the sole reason NBA teams have concluded his American basketball career is concluded. To be fair. a) coming out of an Ivy League school, he made north of 50M in the NBA and b) he is an NBA champion. Not a bad way to ride off to the sunset.

And finally:
Shaun Livingston is the perfect 14th man for this Magic roster. He provides all the tangible and intangible needs for a playoff team trying to get better. He is probable to sign with the Clippers (for the same reason George and Leonard did so). But wow would he look great in Orlando blue.

In conclusion: I think none of your suggestions are fits from the players' ends, but many are from the Magic side.

When filling roster spots 14-15, most teams either add young developing prospects or a vet with a specific skill set the roster needs. Position overlap isn’t really a big factor as it’s 14-15th spots so overlap is automatic. It’s usually more about the particular skill desired. For the most part it’s shooting or a defensive specialist.

Looking at the Magic roster, the skill deficiencies look like shooting and shot creation at the forward spot. They are also vulnerable at the wing if Ross or Fournier gets hurt.

That’s why I think Crawford or Carter would be desirable if they went the “vet” route. Both can get their own shot and put up points - VC is very solid behind the arc.

Of course they’ll have options, and of course this is from a Magic pov.

Team atmosphere and opportunity will matter to Crawford. He stated that earlier this summer - said that he never wants to go into a locker room with any potential volatility again, even if that’s best team or best money. So there would have to be a preexisting trust with him and people in Magic organization for even the slightest possibility.

Carter is local, and has maintained local ties entire career...so there’s a version of how he envisions his final season that could be appealing for him to do “at home.”

Lin and Livinsgton have some appeal - but I think that would signal a lack of confidence in Fultz and MCW from the FO...not sure either are worth that.

It’s also very possible the FO just leaves a roster spot opening for mid season buyout market. It’s actually a better approach in my opinion as they’ll have a clearer picture at that point.

[NavalAviator94]

I blame Augustin for missing the first place.

a) if Isaac is really 6'13" and not 6'10", the Magic average is 6'8", not 6'7.6"
b) if Fultz starts over Augustin, then this goes further to 6'8.8"

Thus, Orlando could be starting the second tallest team, and is probably starting the 7th tallest team.


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Philly's number 1 right?

[SOUL]

I blame Augustin for missing the first place.

a) if Isaac is really 6'13" and not 6'10", the Magic average is 6'8", not 6'7.6"
b) if Fultz starts over Augustin, then this goes further to 6'8.8"

Thus, Orlando could be starting the second tallest team, and is probably starting the 7th tallest team.


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6'13" is tall

[tiderulz]

Moved this discussion line:

Some older vet free agents still on the market that might add some deep bench scoring/shooting: Vince Carter, Jamal Crawford, Thabo Sefalosha....also available, but we're probably better off going with PG's we have: Jeremy Lin, Shaun Livingston

Carter is heavily rumored to close out his career as a Raptor, and frankly, the Magic do not need another SF.

Jamal Crawford is an interesting idea. He is redundant to Ross, but a team can never have to much bench shooting. He is an insurance piece type of acquisition. I think he signs with the Wizards in the end.

Thabo Sefolosha: again, the Magic do not need another combo-wing.

Now we are on the meaty bit!
Jeremy Lin: I love this idea, if we knew he would be healthy. I fear he is damaged goods, and that that is the sole reason NBA teams have concluded his American basketball career is concluded. To be fair. a) coming out of an Ivy League school, he made north of 50M in the NBA and b) he is an NBA champion. Not a bad way to ride off to the sunset.

And finally:
Shaun Livingston is the perfect 14th man for this Magic roster. He provides all the tangible and intangible needs for a playoff team trying to get better. He is probable to sign with the Clippers (for the same reason George and Leonard did so). But wow would he look great in Orlando blue.

In conclusion: I think none of your suggestions are fits from the players' ends, but many are from the Magic side.

When filling roster spots 14-15, most teams either add young developing prospects or a vet with a specific skill set the roster needs. Position overlap isn’t really a big factor as it’s 14-15th spots so overlap is automatic. It’s usually more about the particular skill desired. For the most part it’s shooting or a defensive specialist.

Looking at the Magic roster, the skill deficiencies look like shooting and shot creation at the forward spot. They are also vulnerable at the wing if Ross or Fournier gets hurt.

That’s why I think Crawford or Carter would be desirable if they went the “vet” route. Both can get their own shot and put up points - VC is very solid behind the arc.

Of course they’ll have options, and of course this is from a Magic pov.

Team atmosphere and opportunity will matter to Crawford. He stated that earlier this summer - said that he never wants to go into a locker room with any potential volatility again, even if that’s best team or best money. So there would have to be a preexisting trust with him and people in Magic organization for even the slightest possibility.

Carter is local, and has maintained local ties entire career...so there’s a version of how he envisions his final season that could be appealing for him to do “at home.”

Lin and Livinsgton have some appeal - but I think that would signal a lack of confidence in Fultz and MCW from the FO...not sure either are worth that.

It’s also very possible the FO just leaves a roster spot opening for mid season buyout market. It’s actually a better approach in my opinion as they’ll have a clearer picture at that point.

VC would be a great mentor too. Skills, longevity, adjusting your game, he could teach the youngsters a lot

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I'd love Vince to retire here, but I get him preferring Toronto legacy wise.

[drsd]

My opinion: if he is healthy, I would love to have some Linsanity in Orlando * . It is great for marketing and fills a need. Plus I think Lin would be a great role model for Fultz in explaining how one comes from the bottom to rise to the top.

* = to quote wiki:

Basketball is the most popular ball sport in Taiwan that people actually play.

Orlando is looking for a guy that can provide 40 games played averaging in this 8-12 mpg. Lin could be perfect for that role. And I think he would take well to being predominately a practice squad player. And we know he can provide emergency stuttering moments; last year he started 4 times in that role, for example.


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[rcklsscognition]

DJ quietly creeped up my favorite Magic PG list.

Penny. Nelson. Skiles. Augustin.

[Furinkazan]

DJ quietly creeped up my favorite Magic PG list.

Penny. Nelson. Skiles. Augustin.

come on man

and wheres freakin Darrell Armstrong?