K-DOT wrote:I mean, I'm excited to see what he can do this year
3rd year, usually around the time guys break out. Really only needs his jumper to come along and he'll be fine
Him and RJ could be a pretty fun backcourt if we develop them right
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K-DOT wrote:I mean, I'm excited to see what he can do this year
3rd year, usually around the time guys break out. Really only needs his jumper to come along and he'll be fine
Him and RJ could be a pretty fun backcourt if we develop them right
Clyde_Style wrote:TheBigBoss wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
He wasn't walking down Broadway with a sandwich board declaring imminent playoff seeds. They were posting on a forum for hoops maniacs so not sure why you need to temper them.
AFAIK:
we're probably the deepest team in the East. We upgraded every position to the point we can field two full units and wear out other teams
we already have several players who would start on the other clubs in our conference
Randle looks like a star ready to break out and he looks fit as fuq
DSJr's shot does look fixed so our backcourt is starting to look very competitive. Payton/DSJr? That's a starting backcourt that can compete with any team in our conference and that doesn't even begin to consider our depth there with RJ taking some big guard duties
By my count we have almost a full roster with significant upside that can manifest this season once you subtract proven players like Taj, Morris and Ellington. Every other player on the roster ranges from having some upside to breakout potential
Long story short, with this kind of depth and upside, at least 7-8, i.e. half of the 15 players on the rosters, are poised to have their best seasons yet in the NBA
What's so great about the Eastern Conference that they can't compete for a playoff berth?
All it takes is rational analysis of the players we actually have now instead of falling back on defeated attitudes from being a beaten up Knicks fan and it is easy to say they should be able to play .500 ball with halfway decent coaching.
So IDGAF about tempering expectations. Different strokes for different fans is what I say. Let people get excited if they want to
Could RJ and DSJ develop into a Clyde/Earl type of backcourt if they reach their potential?
Hmmm, well perhaps RJ could bring some of the Clyde, but Earl was a very different player from Dennis.
Could they become as good a duo? That's a reach because Clyde was one of the greatest PGs of all time, but I think they could become a championship caliber backcourt.
RJ may be fairly cerebral which is why some thought the T-Mac comp may hold up due to way they play (T-Mac was more physically gifted though).
But Dennis is mostly instinctive from what I can see. Earl was more cerebral than he is given credit for. He was Clyde's enemy and when they joined up he conceded the playmaking duties to Frazier, but Earl could run an offense too. Mostly he was a SG.
I wouldn't comp these guys to Clyde and Earl particularly, though I do see a bit of Clyde potential in RJ because he seems fairly aware of where his teammates are on the floor and at his size he can pass over and around to hit them. Clyde was a fairly big guard for his era and he did the same.
Nazrmohamed wrote:To be very honest I dont know anything about Earl the Pearl Monroe and I dont think most fans outside those who got to witness it live really know much about him either. At least from the Knicks POV it seems we pay more attention to Clyde. I do believe it's somewhat warranted since we drafted him and he spent more time with us here. Not to mention I do believe he was the better player but they dont really tall about Earl enough other than to say he was some other teams scoring PG who we traded for and ran a 2 pg lineup. I sense it was sorta like Jeter/Arod except Earl was better received and accepted?
Idk, someone educate me. I mean. I could look up stats and I know they won a title. But I dokt know the culture of the time, significance of what it felt like to share a backcourt. I have no frame of reference in terms of the mood of the fanbase and media perception around the pairing
Zenzibar wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:TheBigBoss wrote:
Could RJ and DSJ develop into a Clyde/Earl type of backcourt if they reach their potential?
Hmmm, well perhaps RJ could bring some of the Clyde, but Earl was a very different player from Dennis.
Could they become as good a duo? That's a reach because Clyde was one of the greatest PGs of all time, but I think they could become a championship caliber backcourt.
RJ may be fairly cerebral which is why some thought the T-Mac comp may hold up due to way they play (T-Mac was more physically gifted though).
But Dennis is mostly instinctive from what I can see. Earl was more cerebral than he is given credit for. He was Clyde's enemy and when they joined up he conceded the playmaking duties to Frazier, but Earl could run an offense too. Mostly he was a SG.
I wouldn't comp these guys to Clyde and Earl particularly, though I do see a bit of Clyde potential in RJ because he seems fairly aware of where his teammates are on the floor and at his size he can pass over and around to hit them. Clyde was a fairly big guard for his era and he did the same.
Dug this and your previous post ALOT!
As far as depth you hit it out thr park. Not even the media has acknowledged this fact due to the "dumb franchise" status we've been labeled with.
Alluding to your point, Perry put together the most complete roster in the East.
One where practice may be more physical than actual games.
As far as Clyde/Pearl comparisons. Recalling how the Pearl and Clyde would go at it. Pearl couldn't be stopped not even by Frazier. Against the Knicks, Pearl may get 35-40, but Clyde would have the better all around game: 26 points, 11 assists and 3 steals.
Call me crazy but I always liked the Ntilikina first year defense with a much nicer jumper comparisons.
Clyde never dunked, very methodical, brainy and smooth as fk. Seems like he always made that big play, that pass, that key steal, pump fake, hit the jumper and get fouled play.
Monroe? Wow, that to me would be more Trier-like.
Slick to the hoop, double-pump-in-the-air you to death, great short game and black-top handle. Earl was just too dazzling for a current comparison. IMO
Zenzibar wrote:Nazrmohamed wrote:To be very honest I dont know anything about Earl the Pearl Monroe and I dont think most fans outside those who got to witness it live really know much about him either. At least from the Knicks POV it seems we pay more attention to Clyde. I do believe it's somewhat warranted since we drafted him and he spent more time with us here. Not to mention I do believe he was the better player but they dont really tall about Earl enough other than to say he was some other teams scoring PG who we traded for and ran a 2 pg lineup. I sense it was sorta like Jeter/Arod except Earl was better received and accepted?
Idk, someone educate me. I mean. I could look up stats and I know they won a title. But I dokt know the culture of the time, significance of what it felt like to share a backcourt. I have no frame of reference in terms of the mood of the fanbase and media perception around the pairing
From what I vaguely remember, it wasn't peaches and cream. Earl had peaked and more of a volume scorer but the league was changing. There was a need to get Clyde some scoring punch and it could get no better than Earl "the Pearl" Monroe.
The very conservative style of the Knicks then was like the Utah Jazz today. Very deliberate, but defense like Ray Lewis' Baltimore Ravens (without the overt celebrations) and one that Pat Riley would try to mimic once in NY.
Hence Monroe's numbers would decline to under 20 a game. While the media would harp on this as Pearl falling of, it was Red Holtzman's Princeton style of offense. Better to win scoring 90 than lose scoring 120.
Pearl had to defer to Clyde and it took A LOT of personal sacrifices to make it successful. Back to back trips to the Finals (1-1) showed Red Holtzman handled the huge egos right, inarguably going down as one of the top 5 backcourts in NBA history.
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