Brewers @ Cubs Series Thread (8/2-8/4)

[Iheartfootball]

Welp. This sure ain’t like last year, huh?

[kid idioteque]

I'm just numb. The entire coaching staff should be left in Chicago.

[BigDee]

What a difference a season makes. This is team so hard to watch right now.

[Kerb Hohl]

I'm just numb. The entire coaching staff should be left in Chicago.

Name your best coaching staff in the history of baseball, put them on the Brewers this season, this team is still missing the playoffs.

[Kerb Hohl]

It's hilarious how the end of the game thread on bf.net today basically sounds like me the last couple of years.

The worst thing that could've happened to this team is finish ten games above .500 in 2017, the second year of a five year rebuilding process.

A gutted farm system and a mediocre MLB team. We are back to 2012-15 just as fast as we got out of it. What was the point of ushering Melvin out when the approach hasn't changed at all?

tRuSt In StEaRnS!

I believe that DS, much like us, believed deep down that this team isn't going anywhere but didn't want to look like he was giving up on the season so he acquired ho hum players, but that is going to come back and bite him what with giving away our only true high end prospect. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and do what's best for the future. Unfortunately I don't see much of one in the short term. It's not easy being a fan of a small market team.

Is there any chance a team would claim Cain if he were waived? Letting him walk for nothing in August might not be a bad idea if a contender wanted to make that claim now.

We’ve sparred on here and I’d have acknowledged tanking as a good idea before. It could work.

Tell me with a straight face that Hiura, Brinson, Diaz, Shaw(?), Woodruff, Hader, Burnes, Yamamoto, Harrison is the core of a champion.

Of course subsequent shuffling trades could be made and 2-3 years of drafting well but that core above blows ass.

We’ll likely will be better off if and when we trade Yelich in 2 years and we almost got a to a World Series in the process.

As always, I’d be cool if the Brewers tanked and there is definitely a good path forward but you refuse to acknowledge how easy it would be to end up like the White Sox or Padres...MAYBE finally turning the corner after a decade of rebuilding and tanking.

[BUCKnation]

Would've been nice to have another week to know for sure we should have been sellers.

[kid idioteque]

I'm just numb. The entire coaching staff should be left in Chicago.

Name your best coaching staff in the history of baseball, put them on the Brewers this season, this team is still missing the playoffs.

We've played extremely terribly and we're still "in" the wild card race?

[Kerb Hohl]

I'm just numb. The entire coaching staff should be left in Chicago.

Name your best coaching staff in the history of baseball, put them on the Brewers this season, this team is still missing the playoffs.

We've played extremely terribly and we're still "in" the wild card race?

I’m just confused as to why you keep railing on the coaching staff. Pitching coach maybe I could buy? But the team risked a thin minors pitching system after some busts and it has been exposed.

I’m not trying to seem like I’m Counsell’s mom or something defending him but just because a **** pitcher gets rocked doesn’t mean the manager **** up.

Ok, with that, I’m out for a while.

[trwi7]

It's hilarious how the end of the game thread on bf.net today basically sounds like me the last couple of years.

The worst thing that could've happened to this team is finish ten games above .500 in 2017, the second year of a five year rebuilding process.

A gutted farm system and a mediocre MLB team. We are back to 2012-15 just as fast as we got out of it. What was the point of ushering Melvin out when the approach hasn't changed at all?

tRuSt In StEaRnS!

I believe that DS, much like us, believed deep down that this team isn't going anywhere but didn't want to look like he was giving up on the season so he acquired ho hum players, but that is going to come back and bite him what with giving away our only true high end prospect. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and do what's best for the future. Unfortunately I don't see much of one in the short term. It's not easy being a fan of a small market team.

Is there any chance a team would claim Cain if he were waived? Letting him walk for nothing in August might not be a bad idea if a contender wanted to make that claim now.

We’ve sparred on here and I’d have acknowledged tanking as a good idea before. It could work.

Tell me with a straight face that Hiura, Brinson, Diaz, Shaw(?), Woodruff, Hader, Burnes, Yamamoto, Harrison is the core of a champion.

Of course subsequent shuffling trades could be made and 2-3 years of drafting well but that core above blows ass.

We’ll likely will be better off if and when we trade Yelich in 2 years and we almost got a to a World Series in the process.

As always, I’d be cool if the Brewers tanked and there is definitely a good path forward but you refuse to acknowledge how easy it would be to end up like the White Sox or Padres...MAYBE finally turning the corner after a decade of rebuilding and tanking.

You're ignoring the multiple top 5 picks and subsequent bonus money we would have. Again, maybe we're terrible at drafting and we draft a bunch of busts throughout these drafts but as I've said all along, pretty much the only to sustain consistent winning is to be horrible and hit on these picks because they're so cheap for so long.

[ReasonablySober]

There's no possible way you can argue against the Yelich trade. If the Brewers wanted to, right now, they could move him for the best prospects in baseball and more.

[tski1972]

Can’t win if your high powered offense can only score less than three runs a game.

[MickeyDavis]

Grisham played well

[Bucksfan28]

Major regressions from Aguilar and Shaw. Cain playing like he’s 38 at the plate.

Didn't see this coming from Cain but the eventual Aguilar regression was so obvious. I wanted to trade him last season despite how impractical that may have seemed.

[Kerb Hohl]

It's hilarious how the end of the game thread on bf.net today basically sounds like me the last couple of years.

We’ve sparred on here and I’d have acknowledged tanking as a good idea before. It could work.

Tell me with a straight face that Hiura, Brinson, Diaz, Shaw(?), Woodruff, Hader, Burnes, Yamamoto, Harrison is the core of a champion.

Of course subsequent shuffling trades could be made and 2-3 years of drafting well but that core above blows ass.

We’ll likely will be better off if and when we trade Yelich in 2 years and we almost got a to a World Series in the process.

As always, I’d be cool if the Brewers tanked and there is definitely a good path forward but you refuse to acknowledge how easy it would be to end up like the White Sox or Padres...MAYBE finally turning the corner after a decade of rebuilding and tanking.

You're ignoring the multiple top 5 picks and subsequent bonus money we would have. Again, maybe we're terrible at drafting and we draft a bunch of busts throughout these drafts but as I've said all along, pretty much the only to sustain consistent winning is to be horrible and hit on these picks because they're so cheap for so long.

I get it all and I'd say Cleveland is the blueprint for what the Brewers could and should do. Play for now after tanking, play for the future, etc.

That said, imagine that the Brewers drafted a player that averaged the #1-#3 placement in the MVP voting for 4 years at arguably less than he'd have been getting in arbitration in those years.

They potentially shortened their window but they did hit a home run on the guys they brought in for at least one year, I think potentially more. In the process they also risked a more shallow farm system by not tanking and shipping off some players for Yelich but they still had ample guys close to the majors.

Like I said, in an ideal world, I'd tank and do something akin to Cleveland.

Also, I'm not as down on Cain's contract as everyone. He could have another big year or two and while I'm not just happy with bad contracts, I think Attanasio will spend over the top of it in 2020 and then they have a pretty clear salary situation after next year if he truly is an overpriced turd for 2 years. If Mark cheaps out and doesn't spend to supplement the team next year and Cain is a turd again, then it really will have affected them.