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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#321 » by gambitx777 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 5:03 am

First off I'd you cu ian , you don't have to stretch him , he's on a one year deal and we are not in the tax. Cut him and eat the dead money if you want the spot that badly.

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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#322 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Aug 4, 2019 5:10 am

I would waive Mahinmi... But to open a roster spot for another reason.


I would like to see them sign Vince Carter.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-2019-vince-carter-still-wants-to-play-another-season-being-patient-as-he-awaits-interest-from-teams/


I think with all the youth on this roster, having a vet like VC to learn from would be invaluable.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#323 » by nate33 » Sun Aug 4, 2019 12:27 pm

The team has no competent defenders at the center position other than Bryant. For now, we need Mahinmi because he's actually going to play significant minutes as our backup center. I want no part of Mo Wagner being tasked to defend guys like Embiid, Jokic and Drummond.

Also, if Mahinmi is waived, his salary slot becomes unmovable. With him still on the roster, his contract can be used as ballast in some larger trade.

Those two reasons alone make him much more useful than a 43-year-old Vince Carter signed to be our 7th wing player.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#324 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Aug 4, 2019 1:15 pm

nate33 wrote:The team has no competent defenders at the center position other than Bryant. For now, we need Mahinmi because he's actually going to play significant minutes as our backup center. I want no part of Mo Wagner being tasked to defend guys like Embiid, Jokic and Drummond.

Also, if Mahinmi is waived, his salary slot becomes unmovable. With him still on the roster, his contract can be used as ballast in some larger trade.

Those two reasons alone make him much more useful than a 43-year-old Vince Carter signed to be our 7th wing player.



Good point Nate, and I did think about that as well. Mahinmi also is good to have Bryant go against in practice.

Well I would still like to get VC on this team. I just think it would be great to have him for these young guys in practice and in the locker room, and he can still get it done on the court in a reserve role. He has a lot of knowledge to pass on. The benefits will far outweigh any playing time he takes, he can't play that much to begin with and the season is so long and injuries etc there is plenty to go around for the likes TBJ and Admiral.

Well if they got the roster exemption for Wall, I would sign him in a heartbeat. If not I'd consider letting go of McRae to bring in Carter.

Thomas, Smith, Bonga, Beal, McRea, Jones, Miles, Brown Jr, Schofield, Hachimura, Bertans, Wagner, Bryant, Mahinmi.

Wall is 15. Plus Robinson and Matthews are 2-way.


Anyone know when we're supposed to get a decision on that exemption request ???
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#325 » by nate33 » Sun Aug 4, 2019 1:26 pm

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nate33 wrote:The team has no competent defenders at the center position other than Bryant. For now, we need Mahinmi because he's actually going to play significant minutes as our backup center. I want no part of Mo Wagner being tasked to defend guys like Embiid, Jokic and Drummond.

Also, if Mahinmi is waived, his salary slot becomes unmovable. With him still on the roster, his contract can be used as ballast in some larger trade.

Those two reasons alone make him much more useful than a 43-year-old Vince Carter signed to be our 7th wing player.



Good point Nate, and I did think about that as well. Mahinmi also is good to have Bryant go against in practice.

Well I would still like to get VC on this team. I just think it would be great to have him for these young guys in practice and in the locker room, and he can still get it done on the court in a reserve role. He has a lot of knowledge to pass on. The benefits will far outweigh any playing time he takes, he can't play that much to begin with and the season is so long and injuries etc there is plenty to go around for the likes TBJ and Admiral.

Well if they got the roster exemption for Wall, I would sign him in a heartbeat. If not I'd consider letting go of McRae to bring in Carter.

Thomas, Smith, Bonga, Beal, McRea, Jones, Miles, Brown Jr, Schofield, Hachimura, Bertans, Wagner, Bryant, Mahinmi.

Wall is 15. Plus Robinson and Matthews are 2-way.


Anyone know when we're supposed to get a decision on that exemption request ???

I still wouldn't sign Vince - unless it's to be an assistant coach or something. The guy is 43 years old and plays a position where we already have a bunch of guys (Beal, Brown, Miles, Schofield, Jones, McRae, Bonga).

We are extremely thin at power forward. We have only Hachimura and Bertans. And Hachi might play some SF and they both might be called upon to play some minutes at center in a small ball configuration. We really need one more power forward, ideally a guy who can grab a rebound and play a little D. Someone a while back suggested Faried and I think that makes the most sense. I still don't understand why we didn't try and get Vonleh.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#326 » by payitforward » Sun Aug 4, 2019 1:40 pm

I agree, nate -- it's incomprehensible to me that we didn't try to sign Vonleh, who fits to a tee the profile of what we need, the stage we are at, etc. I suppose it's possible that we did try, & Vonleh & his agent decided that we weren't the best fit...?

OTOH, despite quite a good season w/ the Knicks, all Vonleh was able to scare up for himself was a 1-year, $2m deal. Maybe there's some problem we don't know about.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#327 » by payitforward » Sun Aug 4, 2019 1:46 pm

nate33 wrote:The team has no competent defenders at the center position other than Bryant. For now, we need Mahinmi because he's actually going to play significant minutes as our backup center. ...

Also, if Mahinmi is waived, his salary slot becomes unmovable. With him still on the roster, his contract can be used as ballast in some larger trade....

Both excellent points. Especially if we were somehow able to get a pick in a deadline deal for him. Picks are what we need most.

OTOH, true though your point is about his defense, this is obviously a sacrifice season anyway, so if it meant we were able to add another young prospect, I wouldn't think twice about letting him go. But, for sure I'd let McRae and/or Phillip go before Mahinmi.
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Post#328 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Aug 4, 2019 1:56 pm

Just to further that... I don't really see the benefit of having McRae here to take playing time from guys like Brown and Schofield. I don't think McRae is a long term piece, and him taking court time that could go to Schofield or Jones only hinders their development.

But Vince Carter here OTOH, would benefit these young guys and the development of our potential long term pieces as a sort of player-coach, a future HOF player, how to lead by example, how he practices and prepares, how he keeps in condition, his longevity, how he values his career, all the intricacies and nuances of the game he has learned over 20 years. Going from superstar to reserve, from dominating with supreme athleticism to getting by on guile. Going through every situation you can go through. The mental side of the game, and being in the league.

I think this is the perfect situation for him. He wants to be a mentor. I think he'd be a good fit here with Thomas and Beal to add leadership, and would be great for guys like Hachimura, TBJ, Admiral, Bonga, Jones, Bryant.





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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#329 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Aug 4, 2019 2:39 pm

https://pippenainteasy.com/2019/08/01/chicago-bulls-3-best-ways-to-utilize-a-final-roster-spot/


Here's an article about what Bulls should do with final roster spot, and runs through some of the same options, including VC and Faried. Others include Jerebko, and former 8th pick Marquese Chriss who could be interesting considering just turned 22.


Updated available FA

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-free-agents-2019-jr-smith-vince-carter-jeremy-lin-still-available/ar-AAFi5Rg
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Post#330 » by doclinkin » Sun Aug 4, 2019 6:38 pm

I’m on board with the Vince Carter concept. For all of the reasons stated above. And then to transition him into assistant coach along the way. He’s a good character guy who is a lifer in the game. And I think it would be super useful to have some additional measure of leadership and weight even as support for Beal. I think his presence speeds up the development of players at his position.
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Post#331 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Aug 4, 2019 7:24 pm

So going through who's still available....

Chriss is intriguing me because he is PF, and just turned 22 fits in with our youth movement & rebuild. Former #8 pick, played college at Washington. His story is pretty interesting...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquese_Chriss











And I am very interested in Vince Carter , which I've already made the case for. If we could bring in both, that could be ideal. Opposite ends of the spectrum.

I don't know when we are supposed to get a decision on the exemption request for Wall ??? Hopefully soon . If we get that spot, and waiving Phillip seems like a no brainer. The next in line to go IMO would be McRae...



Thomas, Smith, Bonga
Beal, Miles, Jones
Brown Jr, Schofield, Carter
Hachimura, Bertans, Chriss
Bryant, Mahinmi, Wagner

Robinson, Matthews (2-way)



As far as low cost moves that are still viable, that would be what I can come up with. I'd expect Faried to have better options available to him as far as going to a contender. This would be a good roster IMO for the 19/20 season.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#332 » by queridiculo » Mon Aug 5, 2019 9:20 am

Chriss is precisely the kind of player the Wizards should avoid at all costs.
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Post#333 » by gambitx777 » Mon Aug 5, 2019 11:55 am

Why? He's 23 and deserves a second chance does he not ?
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Post#334 » by nate33 » Mon Aug 5, 2019 12:21 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Why? He's 23 and deserves a second chance does he not ?
queridiculo wrote:Chriss is precisely the kind of player the Wizards should avoid at all costs.


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Being young and tall are not the only prerequisites to make an NBA team. You also want someone who is actually good at basketball. Marquis Chriss isn't, and he is getting worse:

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Post#335 » by payitforward » Mon Aug 5, 2019 1:27 pm

The problem with Vince Carter is that we already have 17 players. As it is, we have to jettison 2 of the 4 guys whose contracts aren't guaranteed (McRae, Phillip, Jones & Robinson).

Obviously, Vince wouldn't be part of our on-court future (though of course he'd be a great mentor, not to mention that it would be an honor to have him end his career as a Wizard), so, he'd be taking the place of a player who at least has some chance of being part of that future. We can't afford to do that.
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Post#336 » by queridiculo » Mon Aug 5, 2019 1:28 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Why? He's 23 and deserves a second chance does he not ?
queridiculo wrote:Chriss is precisely the kind of player the Wizards should avoid at all costs.


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You sort of answered your own question.

If you need a second chance at 23 years old that's probably a warning sign.

We've had our fair share of gifted athletes with questionable work ethic and commitment to their craft. Seems pointless to talk about a culture change and then bring in players that clearly are falling short of the standard this organization is trying to establish.
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Post#337 » by Illmatic12 » Mon Aug 5, 2019 2:31 pm

Chriss does not fit the mold of players the team is looking for .. he’s got a big fat “knucklehead” sign stamped on his forehead

His career has been marred by excessive technical fouls, numerous suspensions for detrimental conduct, and frustration of coaches everywhere he goes due to inconsistent effort + focus. You can’t force someone to be a professional if they don’t want to be one
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Post#338 » by queridiculo » Mon Aug 5, 2019 2:48 pm

Not to pile on, but the Cavs aren't exactly a team brimming with young talent. You figure a team desperate to get back on track wouldn't hesitate to take a flyer on a long shot.

If they don't want him back, what's that say about him?
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Post#339 » by doclinkin » Mon Aug 5, 2019 5:11 pm

payitforward wrote:The problem with Vince Carter is that we already have 17 players. As it is, we have to jettison 2 of the 4 guys whose contracts aren't guaranteed (McRae, Phillip, Jones & Robinson).

Obviously, Vince wouldn't be part of our on-court future (though of course he'd be a great mentor, not to mention that it would be an honor to have him end his career as a Wizard), so, he'd be taking the place of a player who at least has some chance of being part of that future. We can't afford to do that.


When Justin Robinson was signed Candace Buckner quoted Coach Brooks as saying he would spend most of his time with the GoGo, but would have a chance to play with his team. That suggested to me that he was a 2-way player. Thus not taking up a roster spot.

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2019/6/21/18700421/2019-nba-draft-washington-wizards-justin-robinson-virginia-tech-undrafted-prospect
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Post#340 » by payitforward » Mon Aug 5, 2019 7:00 pm

doclinkin wrote:
payitforward wrote:The problem with Vince Carter is that we already have 17 players. As it is, we have to jettison 2 of the 4 guys whose contracts aren't guaranteed (McRae, Phillip, Jones & Robinson).

Obviously, Vince wouldn't be part of our on-court future (though of course he'd be a great mentor, not to mention that it would be an honor to have him end his career as a Wizard), so, he'd be taking the place of a player who at least has some chance of being part of that future. We can't afford to do that.


When Justin Robinson was signed Candace Buckner quoted Coach Brooks as saying he would spend most of his time with the GoGo, but would have a chance to play with his team. That suggested to me that he was a 2-way player. Thus not taking up a roster spot.

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2019/6/21/18700421/2019-nba-draft-washington-wizards-justin-robinson-virginia-tech-undrafted-prospect

Nah... he has a conventional, partially-guaranteed salary. To this point, our only 2-way guy is Garrison Matthews.

I don't know who the candidates are for the 2d one of those, but when I looked at Armoni Brooks' numbers I was favorably impressed. I imagine he has a shot at that 2d 2way deal.

(Brooks & Corey Davis Jr. are the two guards out of U of Houston whom we signed unguaranteed post-draft. I don't think they even played in SL!)
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