Better player next season: Simmons or Doncic?

[gh123]

I know Kristaps was nagged with injuries, but recently it only been one injury, he might not be that injury prone as we think, I hope for the best. And plain rebounding numbers do not indicate if player improves teams rebounding. I am not saying Kristaps is necessarily that player, but there are bigs who dont rebound much but improve teams rebounding, so in a vacuum individual rebounding numbers barely matter.

His advanced rebounding stats are awful. You got guys like Adams who screen out opponents so that his teammates can get rebs, but KP is certainly not that guy. 35 mil for 18+7 low efficiency big who can't stay on the floor, I know Luka is pissed, but he won't show it.

I think you are unreasonably way too low on Kristaps. Yes, his efficiency was low, but that almost always the case with guys who are growing into franchise player shoes, and he was growing into it. He was burdened to lead an offense at age 22, he showed massive potential with the knicks and as a second option if healthy, he could be next Pau or Paul Pierce or someone like that.

I hope you're right, coz he's gonna be in Dallas for a while now. It's just that people see a tall guy shooting 3s and he's automatically a unicorn. If he improves I'll eat a crow happily. But the dude has been in the league for 4 years and haven't really improved much and he's not 19 anymore. We'll see, it's August, the season is starting soon (not)(((...

[BoardCrusher]

This board is so anti-Ben Simmons at times it's cringey.

One of the highest Bball IQs we've seen, got a max contract without having to shoot the ball.

Is starting to shoot the ball, and the rookie with a low ceiling and poor efficiency is being coveted more by some of you. It's ok Ben Simmons will shut a lot of its haters up, and Luka fans will come back down to earth.

I like how you imply that Simmons bbiq is higher than Lukas and that you think Luka got a low ceiling, you sure know bball well

[UcanUwill]

His advanced rebounding stats are awful. You got guys like Adams who screen out opponents so that his teammates can get rebs, but KP is certainly not that guy. 35 mil for 18+7 low efficiency big who can't stay on the floor, I know Luka is pissed, but he won't show it.

I think you are unreasonably way too low on Kristaps. Yes, his efficiency was low, but that almost always the case with guys who are growing into franchise player shoes, and he was growing into it. He was burdened to lead an offense at age 22, he showed massive potential with the knicks and as a second option if healthy, he could be next Pau or Paul Pierce or someone like that.

I hope you're right, coz he's gonna be in Dallas for a while now. It's just that people see a tall guy shooting 3s and he's automatically a unicorn. If he improves I'll eat a crow happily. But the dude has been in the league for 4 years and haven't really improved much and he's not 19 anymore. We'll see, it's August, the season is starting soon (not)(((...

He is not pat Garrity, there is more why he was called a unicorn, 7'3, might be most agile 7'3 guy ever, can protect the rim and shoot like a guard.

[nikster]

This board is so anti-Ben Simmons at times it's cringey.

One of the highest Bball IQs we've seen, got a max contract without having to shoot the ball.

Is starting to shoot the ball, and the rookie with a low ceiling and poor efficiency is being coveted more by some of you. It's ok Ben Simmons will shut a lot of its haters up, and Luka fans will come back down to earth.

Since when is Ben starting to shoot? Please tell me your not referencing pick up games.

and a rookie averaging 21 on league average TS% is neither low ceiling or poor efficiency.

[LKN]

Doncic's athleticism is really underrated around here. He can stop on a dime, has excellent hand eye coordination and is quite agile and deceptive with his footwork and ball handling. He's not super quick laterally and can't jump out of the gym - but that's not all that matters when it comes to athleticism.

[JAYZGOAT]

Why do people always compare the two on here? They're nothing alike, not the same age, different draft class. What gives? Why do people keep comparing the two?

[GeorgeMarcus]

"Simmons can't shoot!" *ignores other facets of the game*

[GeorgeMarcus]

Simmons: more efficient, better defensively, better rebounder, more assists on lower usage, better RPM, played for a winning team, and unlike last year was a clear positive in the playoffs

Anti-Simmons crowd: "can't shoot"

[Ayt]

Simmons: more efficient, better defensively, better rebounder, more assists on lower usage, better RPM, played for a winning team, and unlike last year was a clear positive in the playoffs

Anti-Simmons crowd: "can't shoot"

And Luka will be better next season.

[TacoLord]

As a Rockets fan, I hate the fact that Dallas got Doncic. What a lucky break for the Mavs, that dude should have gone #1 overall.

[zimpy27]

Simmons for now.

I think both players would be better if they swapped teams.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Simmons: more efficient, better defensively, better rebounder, more assists on lower usage, better RPM, played for a winning team, and unlike last year was a clear positive in the playoffs

Anti-Simmons crowd: "can't shoot"

And Luka will be better next season.

Maybe, maybe not. He wasn’t better last season. My money is on Ben now that he finally devoted an offseason to jump shooting.

[Ice Trae]

It’ll be close but I’m going to go with Doncic. I think he’ll take the next step and blow up people’s perceptions of him having a low ceiling.

[stormi]

Simmons decisively. Luka can shoot stepback gimmick 3's better, and that's about it.

Ben is better at every other part of the game and isn't built like a Burger King fry cook.

[Ecmic]

Simmons decisively. Luka can shoot stepback gimmick 3's better, and that's about it.

I’m open to the possibility that the difference between the two players’ shooting might extend beyond stepback threes.

[DreamTeam09]

Simmons decisively. Luka can shoot stepback gimmick 3's better, and that's about it.

Ben is better at every other part of the game and isn't built like a Burger King fry cook.

No Ben simmons is not better than Luka at every facet of the game. Luka is clearly the better offensive player of the two. Like that shouldn't even be questioned. Put a player of ben simmons size on him and he'll become non-existent. Like Perkins said, he's a great player in transition, barely an NBA player in the half-court.

And how is a step-back 3 a gimmick move?? the 3pt shot is the best shot in basketball according to the majority here and creating space for a spot-up 3 is a bad thing???

Ben simmons wishes he had a goto move in his arsenal.

Seeing a player like Luka would make me furious as sixer fan, tf has ben simmons been working on since he entered the league, dude took a year off and still hasn't added to his game.

Defensively I give him his props tho!!!! Good for him on that side of the ball.

[moistnessfiscal]

Better player next season Ben Simmons or Trey Burke?

[GeorgeMarcus]

Better player next season Ben Simmons or Trey Burke?

Doncic or Brunson? Leaning toward Brunson

[GeorgeMarcus]

Seeing a player like Luka would make me furious as sixer fan, tf has ben simmons been working on since he entered the league, dude took a year off and still hasn't added to his game.

Lol as a Sixers fan? I don’t follow... The Suns passed over him, the Kings passed over him, and the Hawks traded away his draft rights. The Sixers on the other hand had nothing to do with Doncic.

Ben was the best player from his draft class, so we’re good on that front.

[Hindenburg]

Luka and it's not even close

Also there is a whole separate board for these comparisons