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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#141 » by Ruzious » Mon Aug 5, 2019 8:05 pm

Trade Isaac Bonga and Mo Wagner to Denver for Bol Bol - free up a roster space and get a player with better potential. I don't think Bol's signed yet - for whatever reason.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#142 » by nate33 » Mon Aug 5, 2019 8:12 pm

Ruzious wrote:Trade Isaac Bonga and Mo Wagner to Denver for Bol Bol - free up a roster space and get a player with better potential. I don't think Bol's signed yet - for whatever reason.

What is Denver's motivation for that trade?
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#143 » by Ruzious » Mon Aug 5, 2019 8:17 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Trade Isaac Bonga and Mo Wagner to Denver for Bol Bol - free up a roster space and get a player with better potential. I don't think Bol's signed yet - for whatever reason.

What is Denver's motivation for that trade?

They only have 14 players signed, and they get 2 players with some ability. And perhaps there's a reason they still haven't signed Bol.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#144 » by payitforward » Mon Aug 5, 2019 9:48 pm

nate33 wrote:After the Wizards cut three players and get their roster size down to 15 (they'll cut Booth, Phillip, and one of Robinson/McRae/Jones), they'll have about $5.2M in luxtax room.

I'm looking around to find any trades where the Wizards could take on up to $5.2M in salary in exchange for picks. The obvious trade partners are the over-the-luxtax teams: Miami, Detroit, Golden State, Houston and Portland.

We could either trade a big contract like Mahinmi or Miles and take back a bigger contract, by maximizing the Trade Exception allowance, or we could trade our $5M Satoransky TPE (we'd have to also trade or cut another player though).

After a brief glance, the best move I could come up with is CJ Miles to Miami for Meyers Leonard + cash + a 2022 2nd (worst of PHI/DEN). That's a pretty crappy pick though. I think it's a last resort trade we could make at the Trade Deadline, but I'd rather look for a better pick.

Any other ideas?

Booth doesn't count against the 15 I don't think. Still... same problem.

From http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/, I have us at $125.9 for 13 guaranteed contracts. For whatever reason, I also assume they're keeping Robinson -- so $126.9 for 14. With McRae that'll be $128.5.

That leaves $4.1m under the tax -- $4.3 if it's Jones they keep instead of McRae. Your trade still works.

Is there a way to do the opposite, I wonder? Move Miles w/o taking anything back -- i.e. to make room to keep one more of the young players.

Or, how about Mahinmi to Portland for Bazemore & a R2 pick?
Miles to OKC for Roberson & a R2
Mahinmi to Detroit for Reggie Jackson & a R2
Miles to Dallas for Courtney Lee (?) & a R2
Mahinmi & Ish to Cleveland for Brandon Knight & a R2

Some serious hold-your-nose trades in that group of "possibilities" -- !!
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#145 » by payitforward » Mon Aug 5, 2019 10:09 pm

Ruzious wrote:Trade Isaac Bonga and Mo Wagner to Denver for Bol Bol - free up a roster space and get a player with better potential. I don't think Bol's signed yet - for whatever reason.

Given we could have picked the BB instead of Admiral, we'd look like we were paying quite a high price.

I would have taken him @#42 -- have hopes for Admiral, but... worth the swing for the fences, I'd have said.

Happy to move Mo. Not so much Bonga. Well... no real reason; somehow I have a positive vibe on him.

Miami traded Bol to Denver for $1.2m & a R2 pick next year that'll likely be lower than the #44 where he was picked.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#146 » by gambitx777 » Tue Aug 6, 2019 2:16 am

I haven't give up on mo yet. Whiteside wasn't an effective NBA player till what 25-26.give the kid some time. he's only 22 and centers tend to be late bloomers more than most.

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

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gambitx777 wrote:I haven't give up on mo yet. Whiteside wasn't an effective NBA player till what 25-26.give the kid some time. he's only 22 and centers tend to be late bloomers more than most.

Tell that to Thomas Bryant.

What benefit did the team with Whiteside's rights when he was 22 get from having him?
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#148 » by Ruzious » Tue Aug 6, 2019 11:38 am

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gambitx777 wrote:I haven't give up on mo yet. Whiteside wasn't an effective NBA player till what 25-26.give the kid some time. he's only 22 and centers tend to be late bloomers more than most.

Tell that to Thomas Bryant.

What benefit did the team with Whiteside's rights when he was 22 get from having him?

Good point - you want to be the team that gets those developing players at the right time - like when the Wiz got Bryant. Sacramento drafted Cousin and Whiteside in the same draft. They showed a good eye for talent, but the team didn't benefit so much. Are Wagner and Bonga going to be that kind of late bloomer? I'm doubting they have that kind of talent - though I thnk they can develop into useful players in very limited roles.

I do think the Wiz should have taken Bol over Admiral unless it was completely clear to them that Bol would not pass physicals. Admiral's a very limited player, imo, but I hope he proves me wrong.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#149 » by dckingsfan » Tue Aug 6, 2019 1:56 pm

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payitforward wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I haven't give up on mo yet. Whiteside wasn't an effective NBA player till what 25-26.give the kid some time. he's only 22 and centers tend to be late bloomers more than most.

Tell that to Thomas Bryant.

What benefit did the team with Whiteside's rights when he was 22 get from having him?

Good point - you want to be the team that gets those developing players at the right time - like when the Wiz got Bryant. Sacramento drafted Cousin and Whiteside in the same draft. They showed a good eye for talent, but the team didn't benefit so much. Are Wagner and Bonga going to be that kind of late bloomer? I'm doubting they have that kind of talent - though I thnk they can develop into useful players in very limited roles.

I do think the Wiz should have taken Bol over Admiral unless it was completely clear to them that Bol would not pass physicals. Admiral's a very limited player, imo, but I hope he proves me wrong.

So, this brings us to will Bryant, Hachimura and Brown Jr. make a significant leap this year (don't argue yet about it being Hachimura's first year so he can't take a leap :D) into legit starter.

And then can any of the others take a leap. Bonga, Shofield, Robinson, etc. to legit NBA player (replacement or better).

Question: Do we eliminate the players older than say 25 from the equation?

Also, I think the above point on Cs is illumination of why they took Shofield over Bol. So, I think it should have been the other way around when asking the question - can I prove he will be able to stay on the court. Otherwise, let someone else draft him and wait the 2 or three years until he can get his body right.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#150 » by Ruzious » Tue Aug 6, 2019 2:26 pm

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Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:Tell that to Thomas Bryant.

What benefit did the team with Whiteside's rights when he was 22 get from having him?

Good point - you want to be the team that gets those developing players at the right time - like when the Wiz got Bryant. Sacramento drafted Cousin and Whiteside in the same draft. They showed a good eye for talent, but the team didn't benefit so much. Are Wagner and Bonga going to be that kind of late bloomer? I'm doubting they have that kind of talent - though I thnk they can develop into useful players in very limited roles.

I do think the Wiz should have taken Bol over Admiral unless it was completely clear to them that Bol would not pass physicals. Admiral's a very limited player, imo, but I hope he proves me wrong.

So, this brings us to will Bryant, Hachimura and Brown Jr. make a significant leap this year (don't argue yet about it being Hachimura's first year so he can't take a leap :D) into legit starter.

And then can any of the others take a leap. Bonga, Shofield, Robinson, etc. to legit NBA player (replacement or better).

Question: Do we eliminate the players older than say 25 from the equation?

Also, I think the above point on Cs is illumination of why they took Shofield over Bol. So, I think it should have been the other way around when asking the question - can I prove he will be able to stay on the court. Otherwise, let someone else draft him and wait the 2 or three years until he can get his body right.

It could turn out that way with Bol - especially with him being a 2nd rounder - and particularly if he does not sign a long-term contract. Realistically, probably all these guys are less than 50/50 for being signigicant contributors. Bonga has interesting upside, but I think he's a real longshot, because the PG position requires him to have a better feel for the game than I think he has, and he's got an ugly jump shot. But who knows - maybe he can develop into a Shaun Livingston type. If it happens, I don't think it will anytime soon. I think the Admiral is what he's going to be - an energy guy who can get on hot streaks and play phsyical defense, but if asked to create - will turn the ball over too much and doesn't have the lateral quickness I'd look for for consistent defense or to drive to the hoop. I think they're committed somewhat to Admiral moreso than to Bonga and Robinson. If they like Robinson, I think that makes Bonga more likely to go - both vying for the 3rd PG spot. I wish we could keep all of these guys AND keep Jordan McRae. Honestly, i think McRae's a good NBA player who has more to show, and even though he's 28 - I'd hate to give him away. If they end up trading Beal, he could become a major player.
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Post#151 » by dckingsfan » Tue Aug 6, 2019 3:15 pm

In short - this year would be a huge success if Bryant and Brown took the jump to effective NBA starters and Hachimura showed signs of being an effective NBA starter next year.

Topping on the cake is if one or two of the other youngsters took a legit step to or became an effective NBA bench player.

Pretty clear why we are talking about process now :D
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#152 » by doclinkin » Tue Aug 6, 2019 3:22 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Good point - you want to be the team that gets those developing players at the right time - like when the Wiz got Bryant. Sacramento drafted Cousin and Whiteside in the same draft. They showed a good eye for talent, but the team didn't benefit so much. Are Wagner and Bonga going to be that kind of late bloomer? I'm doubting they have that kind of talent - though I thnk they can develop into useful players in very limited roles.

So, this brings us to will Bryant, Hachimura and Brown Jr. make a significant leap this year (don't argue yet about it being Hachimura's first year so he can't take a leap :D) into legit starter.

And then can any of the others take a leap[/size]. Bonga, Shofield, Robinson, etc.*** to legit NBA player (replacement or better).

Question: Do we eliminate the players older than say 25 from the equation?


Realistically, probably all these guys are less than 50/50 for being significant contributors. Bonga has interesting upside, but I think he's a real longshot, because the PG position requires him to have a better feel for the game than I think he has, and he's got an ugly jump shot. But who knows - maybe he can develop into a Shaun Livingston type. If it happens, I don't think it will anytime soon. I think the Admiral is what he's going to be - an energy guy who can get on hot streaks and play physical defense, but if asked to create - will turn the ball over too much and doesn't have the lateral quickness I'd look for for consistent defense or to drive to the hoop. I think they're committed somewhat to Admiral moreso than to Bonga and Robinson. If they like Robinson, I think that makes Bonga more likely to go - both vying for the 3rd PG spot. I wish we could keep all of these guys AND keep Jordan McRae. Honestly, i think McRae's a good NBA player who has more to show, and even though he's 28 - I'd hate to give him away. If they end up trading Beal, he could become a major player.



*** Or Jemerrio Jones.

When you have guys like Lou Williams citing him as a shut down specialist, and if he can torture Beal in practice, I think he has a chance to find a role and break out. Yes he needs to be hitting 100,000 catch and shoot threes in a summer to build standstill sniper capability. But every team needs a defensive stopper who can secure a critical rebound.

I actually think Bonga has a chance to be Lamar Odom lite. He seems awkward but for a 19 year old he's got a good feel for the game. He hasn't yet worked his body to become what he will become. But there are enough tools there that he is already doing some things out there. Whatever improvements Troy Brown can make to his game, Bonga can follow along and do the same. With better length on defense and a frame that may take better muscle.

If I were giving him film work I'd put him in front of Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. Obviously I don't expect him to play at that level, but he has the foundation of that sort of game. Rangy ball handlers with good footwork and heads up play. But yeah it may take a while. If he doesn't stick here then he will break out in Europe. I wish we had drafted him so we could have stashed him and retained his rights.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#153 » by payitforward » Tue Aug 6, 2019 3:33 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Good point - you want to be the team that gets those developing players at the right time - like when the Wiz got Bryant. Sacramento drafted Cousin and Whiteside in the same draft. They showed a good eye for talent, but the team didn't benefit so much. Are Wagner and Bonga going to be that kind of late bloomer? I'm doubting they have that kind of talent - though I thnk they can develop into useful players in very limited roles.

I do think the Wiz should have taken Bol over Admiral unless it was completely clear to them that Bol would not pass physicals. Admiral's a very limited player, imo, but I hope he proves me wrong.

So, this brings us to will Bryant, Hachimura and Brown Jr. make a significant leap this year (don't argue yet about it being Hachimura's first year so he can't take a leap :D) into legit starter.

And then can any of the others take a leap. Bonga, Shofield, Robinson, etc. to legit NBA player (replacement or better).

Question: Do we eliminate the players older than say 25 from the equation?

Also, I think the above point on Cs is illumination of why they took Shofield over Bol. So, I think it should have been the other way around when asking the question - can I prove he will be able to stay on the court. Otherwise, let someone else draft him and wait the 2 or three years until he can get his body right.

It could turn out that way with Bol - especially with him being a 2nd rounder - and particularly if he does not sign a long-term contract. Realistically, probably all these guys are less than 50/50 for being signigicant contributors. Bonga has interesting upside, but I think he's a real longshot, because the PG position requires him to have a better feel for the game than I think he has, and he's got an ugly jump shot. But who knows - maybe he can develop into a Shaun Livingston type. If it happens, I don't think it will anytime soon. I think the Admiral is what he's going to be - an energy guy who can get on hot streaks and play phsyical defense, but if asked to create - will turn the ball over too much and doesn't have the lateral quickness I'd look for for consistent defense or to drive to the hoop. I think they're committed somewhat to Admiral moreso than to Bonga and Robinson. If they like Robinson, I think that makes Bonga more likely to go - both vying for the 3rd PG spot. I wish we could keep all of these guys AND keep Jordan McRae. Honestly, i think McRae's a good NBA player who has more to show, and even though he's 28 - I'd hate to give him away. If they end up trading Beal, he could become a major player.

I don't think they took Schofield over Bol. From what Tommy said, they knew who they wanted & traded down to where they were sure they'd be able to get him.

Like you, Ruz, I really don't see Schofield, not sure why they targeted him. & like you I hope he proves me wrong.

If by "go," you mean be 1 of the cuts required to get down to 15, then I'm sure it won't be Bonga, as he has a guaranteed contract.

I like Jordan McRae, & he's an adequate 4th guard, esp. since he can play the 1 or 2. But, I could not let a young player go, at this specific moment, in order to keep him. Yet... I fear that's what Tommy will do.

As to Mo, I hope you are right & he can become useful. He was awful as a rookie, I mean truly terrible, & in SL as well.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#154 » by doclinkin » Tue Aug 6, 2019 4:38 pm

payitforward wrote:I don't think they took Schofield over Bol. From what Tommy said, they knew who they wanted & traded down to where they were sure they'd be able to get him.

Like you, Ruz, I really don't see Schofield, not sure why they targeted him.



Only because you persist in being pigheaded about it :)

Admiral was shooting .418 on threes. On ~5 shots a game. Among the tops in the draft. With improvement in this category every year. The team is emphasizing spacing.

I'm not saying he will be great. I'm saying I see why they are choosing players like this. What they are thinking.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#155 » by Ruzious » Tue Aug 6, 2019 5:07 pm

doclinkin wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:So, this brings us to will Bryant, Hachimura and Brown Jr. make a significant leap this year (don't argue yet about it being Hachimura's first year so he can't take a leap :D) into legit starter.

And then can any of the others take a leap[/size]. Bonga, Shofield, Robinson, etc.*** to legit NBA player (replacement or better).

Question: Do we eliminate the players older than say 25 from the equation?


Realistically, probably all these guys are less than 50/50 for being significant contributors. Bonga has interesting upside, but I think he's a real longshot, because the PG position requires him to have a better feel for the game than I think he has, and he's got an ugly jump shot. But who knows - maybe he can develop into a Shaun Livingston type. If it happens, I don't think it will anytime soon. I think the Admiral is what he's going to be - an energy guy who can get on hot streaks and play physical defense, but if asked to create - will turn the ball over too much and doesn't have the lateral quickness I'd look for for consistent defense or to drive to the hoop. I think they're committed somewhat to Admiral moreso than to Bonga and Robinson. If they like Robinson, I think that makes Bonga more likely to go - both vying for the 3rd PG spot. I wish we could keep all of these guys AND keep Jordan McRae. Honestly, i think McRae's a good NBA player who has more to show, and even though he's 28 - I'd hate to give him away. If they end up trading Beal, he could become a major player.



*** Or Jemerrio Jones.

When you have guys like Lou Williams citing him as a shut down specialist, and if he can torture Beal in practice, I think he has a chance to find a role and break out. Yes he needs to be hitting 100,000 catch and shoot threes in a summer to build standstill sniper capability. But every team needs a defensive stopper who can secure a critical rebound.

I actually think Bonga has a chance to be Lamar Odom lite. He seems awkward but for a 19 year old he's got a good feel for the game. He hasn't yet worked his body to become what he will become. But there are enough tools there that he is already doing some things out there. Whatever improvements Troy Brown can make to his game, Bonga can follow along and do the same. With better length on defense and a frame that may take better muscle.

If I were giving him film work I'd put him in front of Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. Obviously I don't expect him to play at that level, but he has the foundation of that sort of game. Rangy ball handlers with good footwork and heads up play. But yeah it may take a while. If he doesn't stick here then he will break out in Europe. I wish we had drafted him so we could have stashed him and retained his rights.

When a player is exceptional at 2 things, you have to find out what you have there. We know he's a freakish rebounder, and Lou Will would know what he's talking about on D, so JJ's definitely a keeper - but I'm guessing he'd be better off in the G League this season - where he'll hopefully get coached up - as player development in the G League should be a bigger focus of the organization.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#156 » by DCZards » Tue Aug 6, 2019 5:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:It could turn out that way with Bol - especially with him being a 2nd rounder - and particularly if he does not sign a long-term contract. Realistically, probably all these guys are less than 50/50 for being signigicant contributors. Bonga has interesting upside, but I think he's a real longshot, because the PG position requires him to have a better feel for the game than I think he has, and he's got an ugly jump shot. But who knows - maybe he can develop into a Shaun Livingston type. If it happens, I don't think it will anytime soon. I think the Admiral is what he's going to be - an energy guy who can get on hot streaks and play phsyical defense, but if asked to create - will turn the ball over too much and doesn't have the lateral quickness I'd look for for consistent defense or to drive to the hoop. I think they're committed somewhat to Admiral moreso than to Bonga and Robinson. If they like Robinson, I think that makes Bonga more likely to go - both vying for the 3rd PG spot. I wish we could keep all of these guys AND keep Jordan McRae. Honestly, i think McRae's a good NBA player who has more to show, and even though he's 28 - I'd hate to give him away. If they end up trading Beal, he could become a major player.


I too like Bonga's upside. But he does need to dramatically improve his shooting. I disagree, however, regarding Bonga's feel for the game. I thought he showed exceptional court awareness for a 19 year old in the SL games I saw. He made a lot of very nice passes.

I share your concern about Admiral's lateral quickness and his ability to create for himself and others. I see him as a potential 3pt specialist who will play hard and with toughness.

Totally agree on McRae. I was beginning to think I was the only one here who thought the Zards should keep him. McRae's a mediocre defender, but he's shown that he can be a versatile and dependable scorer. I was impressed by how well Jordan performed as a primary ballhandler during the last 4 games of the season where he averaged almost 5 assists per game.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#157 » by payitforward » Tue Aug 6, 2019 7:57 pm

Ruzious wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Realistically, probably all these guys are less than 50/50 for being significant contributors. Bonga has interesting upside, but I think he's a real longshot, because the PG position requires him to have a better feel for the game than I think he has, and he's got an ugly jump shot. But who knows - maybe he can develop into a Shaun Livingston type. If it happens, I don't think it will anytime soon. I think the Admiral is what he's going to be - an energy guy who can get on hot streaks and play physical defense, but if asked to create - will turn the ball over too much and doesn't have the lateral quickness I'd look for for consistent defense or to drive to the hoop. I think they're committed somewhat to Admiral moreso than to Bonga and Robinson. If they like Robinson, I think that makes Bonga more likely to go - both vying for the 3rd PG spot. I wish we could keep all of these guys AND keep Jordan McRae. Honestly, i think McRae's a good NBA player who has more to show, and even though he's 28 - I'd hate to give him away. If they end up trading Beal, he could become a major player.



*** Or Jemerrio Jones.

When you have guys like Lou Williams citing him as a shut down specialist, and if he can torture Beal in practice, I think he has a chance to find a role and break out. Yes he needs to be hitting 100,000 catch and shoot threes in a summer to build standstill sniper capability. But every team needs a defensive stopper who can secure a critical rebound.

I actually think Bonga has a chance to be Lamar Odom lite. He seems awkward but for a 19 year old he's got a good feel for the game. He hasn't yet worked his body to become what he will become. But there are enough tools there that he is already doing some things out there. Whatever improvements Troy Brown can make to his game, Bonga can follow along and do the same. With better length on defense and a frame that may take better muscle.

If I were giving him film work I'd put him in front of Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. Obviously I don't expect him to play at that level, but he has the foundation of that sort of game. Rangy ball handlers with good footwork and heads up play. But yeah it may take a while. If he doesn't stick here then he will break out in Europe. I wish we had drafted him so we could have stashed him and retained his rights.

When a player is exceptional at 2 things, you have to find out what you have there. We know he's a freakish rebounder, and Lou Will would know what he's talking about on D, so JJ's definitely a keeper - but I'm guessing he'd be better off in the G League this season - where he'll hopefully get coached up - as player development in the G League should be a bigger focus of the organization.

About time my man Jones is getting some positive attention here!

Why stash him? Why put him in the G League? Jones played 6 games after LA picked him up at the end of last season. In that time, he dominated the games! He doesn't score, but he is a killer defender, & he does it without fouling much. He gets more steals than TOs, he blocks shots, he gets assists -- all those at a level well above average nba average for a wing. Plus, he got 14 rebounds per 40 minutes! & almost 1/3 were offensive boards.

Can he continue to do all those things this year? How would I know? But, I tell you what... I sure want to find out!!

Anyone remember a kid named Thomas Bryant, taken in R2 & waived, came to us for free? Anybody remember that a huge majority of the comments here were dismissive? I Like Dirt still thinks he's "a 10th man at best."

Jemerrio Jones is the 2019 edition of Thomas Bryant. Keep him. Play him. Lets see whether I'm right.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#158 » by Ruzious » Tue Aug 6, 2019 8:19 pm

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Ruzious wrote:
doclinkin wrote:

*** Or Jemerrio Jones.

When you have guys like Lou Williams citing him as a shut down specialist, and if he can torture Beal in practice, I think he has a chance to find a role and break out. Yes he needs to be hitting 100,000 catch and shoot threes in a summer to build standstill sniper capability. But every team needs a defensive stopper who can secure a critical rebound.

I actually think Bonga has a chance to be Lamar Odom lite. He seems awkward but for a 19 year old he's got a good feel for the game. He hasn't yet worked his body to become what he will become. But there are enough tools there that he is already doing some things out there. Whatever improvements Troy Brown can make to his game, Bonga can follow along and do the same. With better length on defense and a frame that may take better muscle.

If I were giving him film work I'd put him in front of Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill. Obviously I don't expect him to play at that level, but he has the foundation of that sort of game. Rangy ball handlers with good footwork and heads up play. But yeah it may take a while. If he doesn't stick here then he will break out in Europe. I wish we had drafted him so we could have stashed him and retained his rights.

When a player is exceptional at 2 things, you have to find out what you have there. We know he's a freakish rebounder, and Lou Will would know what he's talking about on D, so JJ's definitely a keeper - but I'm guessing he'd be better off in the G League this season - where he'll hopefully get coached up - as player development in the G League should be a bigger focus of the organization.

About time my man Jones is getting some positive attention here!

Why stash him? Why put him in the G League? Jones played 6 games after LA picked him up at the end of last season. In that time, he dominated the games! He doesn't score, but he is a killer defender, & he does it without fouling much. He gets more steals than TOs, he blocks shots, he gets assists -- all those at a level well above average nba average for a wing. Plus, he got 14 rebounds per 40 minutes! & almost 1/3 were offensive boards.

Can he continue to do all those things this year? How would I know? But, I tell you what... I sure want to find out!!

Anyone remember a kid named Thomas Bryant, taken in R2 & waived, came to us for free? Anybody remember that a huge majority of the comments here were dismissive? I Like Dirt still thinks he's "a 10th man at best."

Jemerrio Jones is the 2019 edition of Thomas Bryant. Keep him. Play him. Lets see whether I'm right.

I dunno. He is 24 - almost time to take him out basck and...

But imagine if he shot... adequately rather than 36.4% from the field. We can rebuild him and make him wor... er make him better. Use the G League like baseball uses AA and AAA - rather than sit him on the bench and practice once every 2 weeks... and carry John Wall's luggage. Stock that G League team with a shooting coach that can work with him every day - and other goodies. Get them a ball-handling coach. Hire someone like Phil Chenier to inspire these guys.

At some point, we might have ouselves a gen U wine 2-way player. That'd be a nice change.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#159 » by nate33 » Tue Aug 6, 2019 8:24 pm

Ruzious wrote:
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Ruzious wrote:When a player is exceptional at 2 things, you have to find out what you have there. We know he's a freakish rebounder, and Lou Will would know what he's talking about on D, so JJ's definitely a keeper - but I'm guessing he'd be better off in the G League this season - where he'll hopefully get coached up - as player development in the G League should be a bigger focus of the organization.

About time my man Jones is getting some positive attention here!

Why stash him? Why put him in the G League? Jones played 6 games after LA picked him up at the end of last season. In that time, he dominated the games! He doesn't score, but he is a killer defender, & he does it without fouling much. He gets more steals than TOs, he blocks shots, he gets assists -- all those at a level well above average nba average for a wing. Plus, he got 14 rebounds per 40 minutes! & almost 1/3 were offensive boards.

Can he continue to do all those things this year? How would I know? But, I tell you what... I sure want to find out!!

Anyone remember a kid named Thomas Bryant, taken in R2 & waived, came to us for free? Anybody remember that a huge majority of the comments here were dismissive? I Like Dirt still thinks he's "a 10th man at best."

Jemerrio Jones is the 2019 edition of Thomas Bryant. Keep him. Play him. Lets see whether I'm right.

I dunno. He is 24 - almost time to take him out basck and...

But imagine if he shot... adequately rather than 36.4% from the field. We can rebuild him and make him wor... er make him better. Use the G League like baseball uses AA and AAA - rather than sit him on the bench and practice once every 2 weeks... and carry John Wall's luggage. Stock that G League team with a shooting coach that can work with him every day - and other goodies. Get them a ball-handling coach. Hire someone like Phil Chenier to inspire these guys.

I really wish they could expand that two-way player thing to include more than 2 players. As it stands now, there is a limited benefit to spending an inordinate amount of resources to developing a deep G-League team because you can only hold rights to no more than 4 of them (two 2-way players plus the two from your 15-man roster that aren't among the 13 players eligible to play any given night.)

If we send Jemerrio Jones to the G-League and improve his shot, he'll probably get poached by some other team before we can clear up roster room to bring him onto our 15-man roster.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#160 » by payitforward » Tue Aug 6, 2019 8:29 pm

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payitforward wrote:I don't think they took Schofield over Bol. From what Tommy said, they knew who they wanted & traded down to where they were sure they'd be able to get him.

Like you, Ruz, I really don't see Schofield, not sure why they targeted him.

Only because you persist in being pigheaded about it :)

Admiral was shooting .418 on threes. On ~5 shots a game. Among the tops in the draft. With improvement in this category every year. The team is emphasizing spacing.

I'm not saying he will be great. I'm saying I see why they are choosing players like this. What they are thinking.

You mean that you persist in being pig-headed, right? Mistyped right? Why not pick a guy who does have a chance to "be great?"

Since Admiral's 3pt % is what stands out, it's obvious why they picked Schofield in that sense of the question. Why else?

My question was different. It was: why Schofield? Instead of, say, a guy who took almost twice as many 3 pt. attempts per 40 minutes & made them at a higher %?
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