Better player next season: Simmons or Doncic?

[Bob8]

Doncic doesn't have anything he can really improve dramatically.
He's a well-rounded player (at least offensively), but he's physically limited

Doncic doesn’t need to improve anything dramatically. He just needs to improve his conditioning, where he has a lot of room for improvement and to become 40% 3 points shooter. How will you stop 6’8’’, 230, Pg, pick&roll master and elite shooter?
What is more realistic? Simmons to become 30+% 3 points shooter or Luka to become 40% 3 points shooter? And don’t forget, Luka is 3 years younger

Players in NBA normally improve every year in everything, and that are small improvements, which make them much better in long run. And that’s the path Luka will go. Simmons on the other hand must improve dramatically in shooting and that’s not something that happens normally. He’s playing basketball for 15 years and he cannot shoot at all, and you believe 1 offseason will do it? You know which players have the biggest room for improvement? The worst ones. And how many times bench warmer improves dramatically and becomes a starter in offseason? Players are very bad in some areas of playing for the reason and we almost never see big improvements over night.

[Ben Simmons]

Doncic doesn't have anything he can really improve dramatically.
He's a well-rounded player (at least offensively), but he's physically limited

Doncic doesn’t need to improve anything dramatically. He just needs to improve his conditioning, where he has a lot of room for improvement and to become 40% 3 points shooter. How will you stop 6’8’’, 230, Pg, pick&roll master and elite shooter?
What is more realistic? Simmons to become 30+% 3 points shooter or Luka to become 40% 3 points shooter? And don’t forget, Luka is 3 years younger

Players in NBA normally improve every year in everything, and that are small improvements, which make them much better in long run. And that’s the path Luka will go. Simmons on the other hand must improve dramatically in shooting and that’s not something that happens normally. He’s playing basketball for 15 years and he cannot shoot at all, and you believe 1 offseason will do it? You know which players have the biggest room for improvement? The worst ones. And how many times bench warmer improves dramatically andbecomes a starter in offseason? Players are very bad in some areas of playing for the reason and we almost never see big improvements over night.

Ben Simmons has a lot of shooting that he can improve, and that is why I used the word "dramatically".
Doncic can't improve dramatically, while Ben Simmons can.
Ben Simmons has a far higher ceiling for that reason

As many have said before, Ben Simmons is LeBron if he gets a jump shot.
Whereas there is no path for Doncic to become LeBron....

[foreigngrammar]

When he does it, then you can talk. But even then, the priority is winning.

Can't win when your best player is always-injured Latvian Bargnani and Hardaway junior.

You have already started with tearing down his teammates, just like you did when you called DeAndre Jordan(former all star) and Harrison Branes(champion) bums. I don't like when you have to use that in your argument.

Oh boy

[stoo]

saying that Luka can't improve much is plain stupid

[Bob8]

Doncic doesn't have anything he can really improve dramatically.
He's a well-rounded player (at least offensively), but he's physically limited

Doncic doesn’t need to improve anything dramatically. He just needs to improve his conditioning, where he has a lot of room for improvement and to become 40% 3 points shooter. How will you stop 6’8’’, 230, Pg, pick&roll master and elite shooter?
What is more realistic? Simmons to become 30+% 3 points shooter or Luka to become 40% 3 points shooter? And don’t forget, Luka is 3 years younger

Players in NBA normally improve every year in everything, and that are small improvements, which make them much better in long run. And that’s the path Luka will go. Simmons on the other hand must improve dramatically in shooting and that’s not something that happens normally. He’s playing basketball for 15 years and he cannot shoot at all, and you believe 1 offseason will do it? You know which players have the biggest room for improvement? The worst ones. And how many times bench warmer improves dramatically andbecomes a starter in offseason? Players are very bad in some areas of playing for the reason and we almost never see big improvements over night.

Ben Simmons has a lot of shooting that he can improve, and that is why I used the word "dramatically".
Doncic can't improve dramatically, while Ben Simmons can.
Ben Simmons has a far higher ceiling for that reason

As many have said before, Ben Simmons is LeBron if he gets a jump shot.
Whereas there is no path for Doncic to become LeBron....

And Luka cannot improve his shooting a lot? If Simmons can become a decent shooter from 0, Luka can become as good as Curry. Will that happen? Not likely. Ceiling is just vivid imagination. You vividly imagine how Simmons will become next LeBron. And I can dream how Luka will become 6’8” Curry. My dream is far more realistic, but more importantly, the difference between this 2 is, that Luka doesn’t need to become Curry like shooter to be top5 player in Nba, on the other hand Simmons must become a decent shooter not to be total liability in playoffs. A player, who didn’t make a single 3 in his Nba career and has no midrange shot either, is not only a bad shooter, but maybe the worst shooter in today’s Nba.

Saying that 20 years old player won’t improve anymore is just absurd. The best thing with Luka is that he really doesn’t need to improve much. Better conditioning, a little better shooting, better teammates and better efficiency, will bring him something like 25/8/8 with good TS and he already is very clutch and has killing instinct.

Simmons is very good player, but he unfortunately cannot shoot at all. His development looks much less likely than Luka’s at the moment. It’s a big difference between players, who are bad shooters and Simmons, who is not even attempting shooting. Just to start taking shots is a very difficult task for him. Fultz is light years better than him and I’m not sure how many believe that Fultz will become decent shooter.

[ConstableChaos]

Both are uber-talents and i doubt either team would trade one for the other.

Hopefully these 2 can meet up in the finals a few times and make this the Bird-Magic of our generation

[drosereturn]

If Simmons know how to shoot 30%+, he will be the better player. But since everyone knows he cant shoot, he is a wasted talent, fools gold. Doncic is on his way to 25/8/8 which is kinda inflated in todays game but still impressive for a sophomore.

[moistnessfiscal]

Would like to hear what you thinking he will realistically average next season and his %'s.

I hope/expect to see 1 of the following:
- willingness to shoot wide open 3's with regularity (at 30+%)
- higher volume of midrange, probably in the form of pull-up jumpers (think 25+% volume of shot attempts beyond 10 ft)

If he does both, I will be thrilled. #1 would be preferable imo. Forcing defenders to guard him on the perimeter would elevate his game/impact to another level. At the end of the day, any amount of progress is worthwhile progress. It's not often established All-Stars have such an obvious avenue to improve.

Well expect to be disappointed, he won't shoot 30%+, 30% is the likely cap and that does not force any significant additional perimeter defence on him, teams will force him to take those and he will miss a majority of them. You are excessively pro-Simmons, down 3-2 in the playoffs and you'd be wishing for Doncic instead

[LukaV]

Voted Simmons.

I'm high on Dončić, but I think Simmons will (still) be better this regular season. I need to see much better shot selection, FT% & conditioning by Dončić and decent improvement on defense before I'll consider him better than even the non-shooting version of Simmons.

[Showdown]

One that can defend

[HeartBreakKid]

Is he not still on his rookie deal??? Doesn't his extension kick in next summer

and Ben doesn't guard PGs so yea he is a point forward

True his max doesn’t kick in until next summer. But regarding position, point forward is typically used to describe forwards that facilitate half court offense without dribbling the ball up the court. Ben is a true PG that can guard 5 positions.

How is he a true pg if he doesn't guard pgs??? You are the position you defend, not the position your coach puts you in on offense. When does Ben guard the PG??

If you are the position you defend, how do you know you're defending the point guard? Your statement is contradictory.

What makes someone a position are common attributes they share with other players.

[gh123]

If Simmons know how to shoot 30%+, he will be the better player. But since everyone knows he cant shoot, he is a wasted talent, fools gold. Doncic is on his way to 25/8/8 which is kinda inflated in todays game but still impressive for a sophomore.

When a sophomore has ever posted 25-8-8? That's absurd numbers for any era. And all he needs to do is improve his shooting a tad and have kp and THJ have at least a bit below average TS% for their positions. He had garbage for teammates after the ASB and still regularly hit 8apg. Give him Jimmy and Embiid and he easily averages 10apg, 0 doubt.

[HeartBreakKid]

If Simmons know how to shoot 30%+, he will be the better player. But since everyone knows he cant shoot, he is a wasted talent, fools gold. Doncic is on his way to 25/8/8 which is kinda inflated in todays game but still impressive for a sophomore.

When a sophomore has ever posted 25-8-8? That's absurd numbers for any era. And all he needs to do is improve his shooting a tad and have kp and THJ have at least a bit below average TS% for their positions. He had garbage for teammates after the ASB and still regularly hit 8apg. Give him Jimmy and Embiid and he easily averages 10apg, 0 doubt.

I don't know why people say this, having good teammates doesn't increase your APG - that is bro science. It isn't how playmaking works. You can put a great playmaker like Steve Nash on a lotto team or on a contender, he can still get 11 APG per game if he wants.



Also Jimmy Butler and Joel Embiid take a lot of dribbles before shooting, so no, they did not raise Simmons APG at all, it is actually lower than his rookie year despite playing more minutes.

[gh123]

If Simmons know how to shoot 30%+, he will be the better player. But since everyone knows he cant shoot, he is a wasted talent, fools gold. Doncic is on his way to 25/8/8 which is kinda inflated in todays game but still impressive for a sophomore.

When a sophomore has ever posted 25-8-8? That's absurd numbers for any era. And all he needs to do is improve his shooting a tad and have kp and THJ have at least a bit below average TS% for their positions. He had garbage for teammates after the ASB and still regularly hit 8apg. Give him Jimmy and Embiid and he easily averages 10apg, 0 doubt.

I don't know why people say this, having good teammates doesn't increase your APG - that is bro science. It isn't how playmaking works. You can put a great playmaker like Steve Nash on a lotto team or on a contender, he can still get 11 APG per game if he wants.



Also Jimmy Butler and Joel Embiid take a lot of dribbles before shooting, so no, they did not raise Simmons APG at all, it is actually lower than his rookie year despite playing more minutes.

Better players don't, but better shooters do, if you have Reddick isntead of tony Allen as your SG, you will get more apg. Put Adams instead of Embiid and Simmons apg goes down a bit, coz he's just not as good near the rim as Biid.

[pootbrah]

Surprised yet satisfied at result

[fortinbras]

Doncic

[BR0D1E86]

I expect sophmore slump from Doncic.

Why? Simmons won ROY in his sophomore season, so he obviously didn’t slump.

[MotownMadness]

If Ben Simmons seen these results he would call it racist

[niQ]

Luka.

[hoosierdaddy34]

It really depends on how much work Doncic has done on his body this offseason and if he’s made some improvements shooting the ball. If the answer to those are that he has, then it’s probably Doncic.