Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[TheScout31]

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Holy crap this looks horrible quoted...I really should have made this into a thread. Stupid mistake on my part.

[Slicin N Dicin]

The kid brings defense and play-making, but people out here crying because he doesn't jack up 20 shots a game.

A bit hyperbolic I know, but it's just funny seeing some people's justification for hating on him when its hypocritical of them bashing others for chucking up shots when we have a player who's fundamentals are comparable to those of winning basketball teams. Just little more decisiveness on offense would be nice and I agree with those saying that...but calling Frank useless almost shows a complete lack of bball knowledge.

[TheScout31]

I would love to hear Knickstape/FOE's take on Frank as of right now.

I think he's used completely incorrectly with the Knicks. Watch the quoted play below and compare it to what the Knicks "ran" last year. It's night and day! The difference between how he's used with the French team vs the Knicks is the playcalls for him. With the Knicks, it's mostly spot up, trying to get him to create for himself, and some PnRs (which he's actually good at, both getting to his spots and hitting the correct pass - the issue is the scoring...which, admittedly, is problematic RIGHT NOW). With France, it's way more PnRs (usually with some cool play designs leading into the screen) and some spot up - next to no isolation.

If you want Frank to succeed, two things need to happen
1) More PnRs. As I mentioned above, he's legitimately GOOD running the PnR. When his scoring comes, and it really just needs to get to the point where defenders really need to worry about him scoring (doesn't have to be some elite scorer), it'll open up way more passing lanes that he can absolutely hit.
2) He has to become a better shooter. Taking advantage of isolations is something he has to do , but given his role on offense will likely be an ancillary playmaker, that shot has to come - just C&S and some basic minor movement shooting (ie, re-location, maybe some pindowns, etc). He's not an isolation guy, which is why playcalls (even simple ones and PnRs) are important.


That's really it. Stop trying to make him into an isolation player and let Frank be Frank. This doesn't mean run the offense through him every single time (which is why the shooting is so important); it means play to his strengths when he's on the court, because he's always doing something either on defense or making a non-box score impact play that helps teams win.

France's play call mentioned above:

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[mpharris36]

I’m so glad knowledge is being dropped in this thread instead of how many shots did he take or how many points did he score.

[Infinitimind]

I’m so glad knowledge is being dropped in this thread instead of how many shots did he take or how many points did he score.

What time is today game?

[god shammgod]

I’m so glad knowledge is being dropped in this thread instead of how many shots did he take or how many points did he score.

They’re not giving him the keys to the shop here so it really doesn’t matter though. Here he’s gonna have to make jumpers.

[Clyde_Style]

I would love to hear Knickstape/FOE's take on Frank as of right now.

I think he's used completely incorrectly with the Knicks. Watch the quoted play below and compare it to what the Knicks "ran" last year. It's night and day! The difference between how he's used with the French team vs the Knicks is the playcalls for him. With the Knicks, it's mostly spot up, trying to get him to create for himself, and some PnRs (which he's actually good at, both getting to his spots and hitting the correct pass - the issue is the scoring...which, admittedly, is problematic RIGHT NOW). With France, it's way more PnRs (usually with some cool play designs leading into the screen) and some spot up - next to no isolation.

If you want Frank to succeed, two things need to happen
1) More PnRs. As I mentioned above, he's legitimately GOOD running the PnR. When his scoring comes, and it really just needs to get to the point where defenders really need to worry about him scoring (doesn't have to be some elite scorer), it'll open up way more passing lanes that he can absolutely hit.
2) He has to become a better shooter. Taking advantage of isolations is something he has to do , but given his role on offense will likely be an ancillary playmaker, that shot has to come - just C&S and some basic minor movement shooting (ie, re-location, maybe some pindowns, etc). He's not an isolation guy, which is why playcalls (even simple ones and PnRs) are important.


That's really it. Stop trying to make him into an isolation player and let Frank be Frank. This doesn't mean run the offense through him every single time (which is why the shooting is so important); it means play to his strengths when he's on the court, because he's always doing something either on defense or making a non-box score impact play that helps teams win.

France's play call mentioned above:

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His shot will come when he is used properly

The PnR has always been a strong point. Not deploying it with Frank is bad coaching.

Frank is not NBA quick, but as you point out with a motion offense that's not the issue. Then it is about knowing what spots on the floor to get to and Frank can do that as well as anyone.

Plus, if you did have a motion-oriented offense Frank's length starts to pay, because those long Mr. Fantastic arms will be able to deliver some passes around the players in movement that other guys can't deliver.

Having a smart guy who can learn plays and execute them should be a plus. A club that relies on individual effort to score will lose that benefit Frank can give them as part of an offensive unit. So far, Fiz is the one who should be found lacking and put on notice to actually coach and run plays that utilizes players better

[GONYK]

I would love to hear Knickstape/FOE's take on Frank as of right now.

I think he's used completely incorrectly with the Knicks. Watch the quoted play below and compare it to what the Knicks "ran" last year. It's night and day! The difference between how he's used with the French team vs the Knicks is the playcalls for him. With the Knicks, it's mostly spot up, trying to get him to create for himself, and some PnRs (which he's actually good at, both getting to his spots and hitting the correct pass - the issue is the scoring...which, admittedly, is problematic RIGHT NOW). With France, it's way more PnRs (usually with some cool play designs leading into the screen) and some spot up - next to no isolation.

If you want Frank to succeed, two things need to happen
1) More PnRs. As I mentioned above, he's legitimately GOOD running the PnR. When his scoring comes, and it really just needs to get to the point where defenders really need to worry about him scoring (doesn't have to be some elite scorer), it'll open up way more passing lanes that he can absolutely hit.
2) He has to become a better shooter. Taking advantage of isolations is something he has to do , but given his role on offense will likely be an ancillary playmaker, that shot has to come - just C&S and some basic minor movement shooting (ie, re-location, maybe some pindowns, etc). He's not an isolation guy, which is why playcalls (even simple ones and PnRs) are important.


That's really it. Stop trying to make him into an isolation player and let Frank be Frank. This doesn't mean run the offense through him every single time (which is why the shooting is so important); it means play to his strengths when he's on the court, because he's always doing something either on defense or making a non-box score impact play that helps teams win.

France's play call mentioned above:

Read on Twitter

His shot will come when he is used properly

The PnR has always been a strong point. Not deploying it with Frank is bad coaching.

Frank is not NBA quick, but as you point out with a motion offense that's not the issue. Then it is about knowing what spots on the floor to get to and Frank can do that as well as anyone.

Plus, if you did have a motion-oriented offense Frank's length starts to pay, because those long Mr. Fantastic arms will be able to deliver some passes around the players in movement that other guys can't deliver.

Having a smart guy who can learn plays and execute them should be a plus. A club that relies on individual effort to score will lose that benefit Frank can give them as part of an offensive unit. So far, Fiz is the one who should be found lacking and put on notice to actually coach and run plays that utilizes players better

The sentence could have ended right there.

[Clyde_Style]

His shot will come when he is used properly

The PnR has always been a strong point. Not deploying it with Frank is bad coaching.

Frank is not NBA quick, but as you point out with a motion offense that's not the issue. Then it is about knowing what spots on the floor to get to and Frank can do that as well as anyone.

Plus, if you did have a motion-oriented offense Frank's length starts to pay, because those long Mr. Fantastic arms will be able to deliver some passes around the players in movement that other guys can't deliver.

Having a smart guy who can learn plays and execute them should be a plus. A club that relies on individual effort to score will lose that benefit Frank can give them as part of an offensive unit. So far, Fiz is the one who should be found lacking and put on notice to actually coach and run plays that utilizes players better

The sentence could have ended right there.

Kind of sums up my basketball world view

[CharlesOakley]

In the NBA the two biggest defensive positions are center and point guard. We have defensive studs at both spots. Frank makes a ton of sense next to RJ, allowing him to be put in more playmaking situations. I don't care if Frank starts or not, but putting him on the floor (at the 1) with Mitch makes too much sense. Hopefully, we don't run the same garbage we did last season.

[Strick]

When is the next game that they will play? I'm craving basketball lol

[iLLmatic860]

When is the next game that they will play? I'm craving basketball lol

I think its 230

[stitches]

Try this one:
http://channelstream.net/rmcsport_2.php

[Clyde_Style]

Frank just stole the ball and aggressively drove the whole length of the court through traffic to draw a foul at the rim

Looked like a different player

[frothbrain]

frank can't shoot

[Clyde_Style]

Gobert just hooked up with Labia

[Clyde_Style]

frank can't shoot

He has pretty much always been able to navigate into the paint like that for a mid-range jumper. Misses like that are frustrating

[Clyde_Style]

fantastic play and feed by Frank

[Clyde_Style]

Frank just stopped a score at the rim

[frothbrain]

Frank just stopped a score at the rim

goaltend but good effort.