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Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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What would you like to see the Hawks do with the #6 pick?

Trade the Pick for a vet
5
17%
Trade into the top 3
8
27%
Trade for later/future picks
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13%
Draft Best Player Available
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Draft TYRESE HALIBURTON
3
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Draft ONYEKA OKONGWU
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10%
Draft ISAAC OKORO
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Draft KILLIAN HAYES
3
10%
 
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Re: Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#61 » by kg01 » Sat Aug 3, 2019 12:57 pm

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FTR, I'm not even convinced he has a great IQ or knows how to play organized ball. When's the last time this kid played on a structured bball team that wasn't created specifically to showcase his skills?

And that's what's unfortunate for him. Can he fit in a team concept where it's not just about him.

His last run he was actually playing winning basketball, getting his teammates involved and allat. He did a complete 180 in his approach to the game after playing pro overseas.


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Post#62 » by jjames » Wed Aug 7, 2019 7:00 am

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Post#63 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Aug 8, 2019 3:18 pm

Scouting Biggest Weakness of Every Top 2020 Prospect

James Wiseman (Memphis, C, Freshman)



Weakness to monitor: Feel for the game/toughness

There are scouts who'd bet on James Wiseman as 2020's top pick. Others will have concerns about how his questionable feel for the game will limit the impact his undeniable talent should be making.

Athletic with 7'0" size and a 7'6" wingspan, Wiseman is an easy-basket weapon around the basket. His tools and bounce should result in a greater impact on defense and the glass, however.

He tends to hunt for blocks and fall out of position. His pick-and-roll coverage and reads need work. Between 21 EYBL and Peach Jam games last year, he averaged just 6.6 rebounds.

Offensively, Wiseman can have trouble resisting the urge to showcase perimeter skills that aren't sharp enough. Though he's improved his jump shot and ball-handling, low-percentage step-back jumpers or fallaways are part of his shot selection, which can be frustrating.

Wiseman appeared to take a step in the right direction at the Nike Hoop Summit. But to go No. 1 or maintain his status as premier prospect for 2020, he'll want to diminish concerns about his feel and toughness at both ends.
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Re: Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#64 » by EazyRoc » Fri Aug 9, 2019 5:02 am

kg01 wrote:
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jayu70 wrote:And that's what's unfortunate for him. Can he fit in a team concept where it's not just about him.

His last run he was actually playing winning basketball, getting his teammates involved and allat. He did a complete 180 in his approach to the game after playing pro overseas.


Drew league?

Yea. I think it’ll translate well in the right situation next year.

He’s a very skilled passer, shifty ball handler, and good perimeter shooter at 6’8”. If Lonzo plays pro ball somewhere decent, he will be a top 5 lock next year IMO. I still think he’s a lottery pick even playing in Australia. He’s got pro experience in another equally uninspiring league so I don’t think there’ll be a big adjustment period.
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Post#67 » by kg01 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:09 pm

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EazyRoc wrote:His last run he was actually playing winning basketball, getting his teammates involved and allat. He did a complete 180 in his approach to the game after playing pro overseas.


Drew league?

Yea. I think it’ll translate well in the right situation next year.

He’s a very skilled passer, shifty ball handler, and good perimeter shooter at 6’8”. If Lonzo plays pro ball somewhere decent, he will be a top 5 lock next year IMO. I still think he’s a lottery pick even playing in Australia. He’s got pro experience in another equally uninspiring league so I don’t think there’ll be a big adjustment period.


Nothing in Drew league translates. Let's wait and see what he does this year.
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Post#68 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:44 pm

Jaden McDaniels (Washington, PF, Freshman)

NBA Position: SF/PF
Class: Freshman
Ht: 6-10
Wt: 185

NBA Comparison: Jonathan Isaac

Strengths: 6’11 versatile forward … Good size and length for position with a 6’11.5 wingspan and 8’11 standing reach … Good agility, mobility, and fluidity at his size. Good athleticism and body control. Finishes plays above the rim with ease … Good potential as a jump shooter, especially in catch and shoot situations. Shoots with no wasted motion and quick release. Scores from midrange and has range out to three. Scored 19.2 points per game while shooting 50% FG% over the Nike EYBL in 2018 … Solid court vision and passing ability for his size … Good rebounder on both ends. Finished seventh over the Nike EYBL in 2018 with 9.3 rebounds per game with 3.1 per game coming on offense … Good versatility as a defender with his size, mobility, and coordination. Averaged 1.4 blocks per game over the Nike EYBL in 2018 … Late bloomer with long-term upside …

Weaknesses: Still improving as a three-point shooter. Shot 29.2% 3P% at 4.1 attempts per game over the Nike EYBL in 2018 … Half-court offense has a way to go, as well as playing off the ball. Offense can be predictable. Tends to settle for contested pull-ups even in transition. Can improve getting to the rim and scoring off the dribble … Must be more assertive, tends to blend in … Can get more action playing off the ball, tends to settle for spotting up on the perimeter … Can develop a post-game to utilize size mismatches around the basket … Solid passing ability but telegraphs passes at times and can limit the turnovers. Averaged 2.9 turnovers per game over the Nike EYBL in 2018 … Very skinny and has a lot of room to get stronger in both upper and lower body. Only weighed 182 pounds at the 2018 USA Minicamp in October of his senior year ...
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Jaden McDaniels' talent and skill versatility suggest he should be closer to the top five. However, his impact and execution aren't always consistent, so that's what he'll need to show more of during what will likely be his only season at Washington.

For a 6'9" forward, McDaniels' game screams mismatch with ball-handling ability in the open floor, a smooth shooting stroke and the ability to create for himself. His defensive tools and range are also promising and point to valuable switchability.

Will he be a highlights-over-substance player? Can he contribute during games in which his jumper won't fall?

Those are the question marks that could push McDaniels down into the 20s. But consistent flashes of inside-out scoring, effort translating to easy baskets and defensive concentration could move him closer to the top of the board.
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Re: Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#69 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:09 pm

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This is bad news for NBA teams still dealing with LaVar fatigue, but it’s entirely possible LaMelo ends up being the best player in his family. It took very little time to recognize that from a pure offensive skill standpoint, LaMelo, now 18 years old and standing a legit 6’6”, is much further along as a scorer than Lonzo was at the same stage. Throwing the stats from the game out (honestly, I made a point of not looking at them) and focusing purely on what he does well, it was evident LaMelo possesses much more natural shake and change of pace off the dribble, and while his jumper is still unorthodox, it’s a quicker, cleaner release that he’s able to get to much more comfortably than his brother. The youngest Ball is also an extremely impressive passer, consistently hitting ahead in transition, delivering crisp pocket passes to the screener in pick-and-roll situations, and facilitating team-wide ball movement with his play. He’s not a stellar athlete, but his ability to move the ball and relocate without it points to a great deal of understanding, and makes his strengths feel translatable on a base level.

What we can’t know relative to Lonzo (who is simply a convenient point of comparison) is whether LaMelo can match his brother’s all-around impact, particularly on defense; LaMelo is clearly the more scoring oriented of the two, but if he can continue to strike an appropriate balance between scoring and playmaking, it would seem he has a chance to be better. This is all relative, and the jury’s far from out on how good Lonzo ends up being, so take it for what it is—the point is that LaMelo looks like a player teams will need to take very seriously (if they aren’t already).
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Re: Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#70 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:37 pm

WTH?

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"The Memphis Tigers are excited to invite NBA teams to our 2019 pro day," Hardaway said. "They will find a wide range of players with different specialties. We would like for front offices to get a firsthand look at our student-athletes before the season to become familiar with our roster and track their improvements throughout the 2019-20 season."

The pro day will be held at the Tigers' practice facility, with a format similar to the NBA draft combine, including measurements, athletic testing, shooting drills and an hour of live 3-on-3 and 5-on-5 scrimmages. Memphis will also open practice the next day for NBA scouts.

The Tigers have one of the most attractive teams in college basketball for NBA scouting purposes, featuring two players currently projected as top-10 draft picks in freshmen James Wiseman and Precious Achiuwa. ESPN recruiting experts ranked Memphis' incoming class as No. 1 in college basketball, as it also features D.J. Jeffries (No. 25 in the ESPN 100), Boogie Ellis (No. 39), Lester Quinones (No. 84) and four-star point guard Damian Baugh, who impressed during the team's trip to the Bahamas last week.
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Post#71 » by kg01 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:25 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:WTH?

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"The Memphis Tigers are excited to invite NBA teams to our 2019 pro day," Hardaway said. "They will find a wide range of players with different specialties. We would like for front offices to get a firsthand look at our student-athletes before the season to become familiar with our roster and track their improvements throughout the 2019-20 season."

The pro day will be held at the Tigers' practice facility, with a format similar to the NBA draft combine, including measurements, athletic testing, shooting drills and an hour of live 3-on-3 and 5-on-5 scrimmages. Memphis will also open practice the next day for NBA scouts.

The Tigers have one of the most attractive teams in college basketball for NBA scouting purposes, featuring two players currently projected as top-10 draft picks in freshmen James Wiseman and Precious Achiuwa. ESPN recruiting experts ranked Memphis' incoming class as No. 1 in college basketball, as it also features D.J. Jeffries (No. 25 in the ESPN 100), Boogie Ellis (No. 39), Lester Quinones (No. 84) and four-star point guard Damian Baugh, who impressed during the team's trip to the Bahamas last week.


Ol Penni figures ain't no need to fake the funk. Ain't like he brought them there to go to school. This likely helps his recruiting efforts.

People will be all upset about it until Coach K does the same dang thing. Then folks'll be all, "Ooh lookit Coach K. So innovative."

Also, just so you know, @jamalllo. We're just waiting for the day when you lobby for us to draft L'melo Ball to play over Trae. It's all part of your 'nobody's untouchable' mentality. We know it's coming.
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kg01 wrote:Also, just so you know, @jamalllo. We're just waiting for the day when you lobby for us to draft L'melo Ball to play over Trae. It's all part of your 'nobody's untouchable' mentality. We know it's coming.


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Post#73 » by kg01 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:54 pm

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kg01 wrote:Also, just so you know, @jamalllo. We're just waiting for the day when you lobby for us to draft L'melo Ball to play over Trae. It's all part of your 'nobody's untouchable' mentality. We know it's coming.


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You can't fool me, @jamallstar. We know it's coming.
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Post#74 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:57 pm

kg01 wrote:You can't fool me, @jamallstar.




FYI -- I'm already in the process of suing that gentleman for copyright infringement.
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Post#75 » by kg01 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:00 pm

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kg01 wrote:You can't fool me, @jamallstar.


FYI -- I'm already in the process of suing that gentleman for copyright infringement.


It's funny because I completely believe you'd do that. You probably amassed a butt-load of his previous posts as evidence.

ETA: You probably don't want to read my last post in that Hunter thread on the GB. :lol:
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Post#76 » by jayu70 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:03 pm

kg01 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:WTH?

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"The Memphis Tigers are excited to invite NBA teams to our 2019 pro day," Hardaway said. "They will find a wide range of players with different specialties. We would like for front offices to get a firsthand look at our student-athletes before the season to become familiar with our roster and track their improvements throughout the 2019-20 season."

The pro day will be held at the Tigers' practice facility, with a format similar to the NBA draft combine, including measurements, athletic testing, shooting drills and an hour of live 3-on-3 and 5-on-5 scrimmages. Memphis will also open practice the next day for NBA scouts.

The Tigers have one of the most attractive teams in college basketball for NBA scouting purposes, featuring two players currently projected as top-10 draft picks in freshmen James Wiseman and Precious Achiuwa. ESPN recruiting experts ranked Memphis' incoming class as No. 1 in college basketball, as it also features D.J. Jeffries (No. 25 in the ESPN 100), Boogie Ellis (No. 39), Lester Quinones (No. 84) and four-star point guard Damian Baugh, who impressed during the team's trip to the Bahamas last week.


Ol Penni figures ain't no need to fake the funk. Ain't like he brought them there to go to school. This likely helps his recruiting efforts.

People will be all upset about it until Coach K does the same dang thing. Then folks'll be all, "Ooh lookit Coach K. So innovative."

Also, just so you know, @jamalllo. We're just waiting for the day when you lobby for us to draft L'melo Ball to play over Trae. It's all part of your 'nobody's untouchable' mentality. We know it's coming.
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The Kentucky Wildcats will hold their annual NBA Pro Day on Oct. 7th, the school announced Monday.
This year’s crop of Wildcats could feature anywhere between 4-6 potential draftees in the 2019 NBA Draft. Keldon Johnson looks like the early favorite to be the first Wildcat selected — if he declares — as he’s being projected in the lottery range of most mocks.

PJ Washington, EJ Montgomery, Nick Richards and Ashton Hagans have also gotten first-round buzz. Tyler Herro has also gotten some NBA buzz after his big showing in the Bahamas.
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Post#78 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:45 am

NBA Draft 2020: Big Board 1.0


1. Anthony Edwards |Guard | Freshman - Georgia

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Ant-Man — the most exciting prospect on the board and, for now, the top prospect. He took an unconventional collegiate path, joining a UGA program known more for football than basketball. Given the Dawgs’ lack of perimeter talent, Edwards will be tasked with a sizable burden as a freshman.

Perhaps that’s a good thing. He will get every chance to showcase his unique talents. At 6-foot-5, Edwards is a tank. There are shades of James Harden in his build — a strong-bodied guard who can bully his way through traffic and explode to the rim. His athleticism is worthy of a top pick.

Edwards can also score on the perimeter, with a projectable 3-point stroke and a few NBA-ready moves. He plays extremely hard, will pull out awe-inspiring dunks, and will have a good chance to go deep into his bag as Georgia’s undisputed alpha. He’s a strong bet in the No. 1 spot.
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2. Deni Avdija | Wing | Maccabi Tel Aviv

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I had a very strong compulsion to place Deni Avdija at No. 1. He’s good enough and could steal the top spot before next June. As a teenager, he has played real minutes for Maccabi Tel Aviv — a feat that shouldn’t be taken lightly. No, he’s not Luka Doncic. But Avdija does have the talent to carve out a successful NBA career. He’s not an elite athlete, but he has I.Q., craft and size in excess. At 6-foot-9, Avdija has seen point guard minutes at lower levels. He lacks an elite first step, but can weave his way inside and pinpoint open teammates. He has real potential as a pick-and-roll ball handler.

As a scorer, Avdija shows touch at all three levels. A consistent 3-point shot is absent on his resume, but the mechanics check out and the flashes are splendid. With the shake to generate space and the size to shoot over the top, I’d bet on Avdija finding his comfort zones from deep.
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Post#79 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:32 pm

Rafael Uehara wrote:2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Wings

Deni Avdija (Ranked 5th, Maccabi Tel Aviv, 18 years old, 6’8’’, 210 LBS)

Deni Avdija is coming off a season where he got to experience the pro level for the first time – logging 349 minutes with Maccabi Tel Aviv in the Israeli BSL and the Euroleague, while also spending parts of the year with the junior squad participating in a couple of stages of the Adidas Next Generation Tournament.

As a pro, the six-foot-eight combo forward acted more as a floor-spacer with little shot creation responsibility. Though he’s shown some versatility in his release, in terms of being able to take shots off light movement, Avdija is more of a shot taker than a shot maker at this point of his development.

He has a fluid shooting motion, fully extends himself for a high release, rises in good balance, doesn’t need to dip for rhythm and tends to get a good arc on his shot but the ball isn’t going in at a decent clip yet, as Avdija missed 72.3% of his 130 three-point shots last season, at a pace of 8.1 such attempts per 40 minutes.

This summer, the 18-year-old led the Israeli National Team to the title of the FIBA U20 European Championship in home soil, matching up against players on average a year-and-a-half older than him.

He was the focal point of the offense – logging 28.6% usage rate and 27.6% assist rate in the event, with the chance to create on post-ups, in isolation and middle high pick-and-roll against a set defense.

His court vision stood out, as Avdija can see over the top in a crowd and impressed with his dexterity delivering passes in a multitude of ways – with his back-to-the-basket to the opposite wing, with skip passes to the stretch big in the pick-and-pop, with darts to shooters sprinting to the corner in transition and with well-timed jump-passes to the roll man.

He wasn’t as impressive as a scorer, though. His average of 22.8 points per 40 minutes was achieved on just 48.6% effective shooting. There were some glimpses of three-level of scoring, as Avdija made pull-ups against the on-ball defenders going under the screen in pick-and-roll, flashed the ability to over-extend finishing around rim protectors and flashed a floater to score from the in-between area.

But he doesn’t have a quick first step, is not particularly fast with the ball, has a fairly basic handle for the most part and hasn’t yet developed advanced footwork to get his pull-ups off via step-backs or side-steps. Avdija is not very shifty, looks to gallop into two-foot leaps in traffic and hasn’t shown much body flexibility to adjust himself mid-air in a crowd.

With that as the case, the most developed dimension of his scoring profile is his post-up, as he’s shown an arsenal of moves operating with his back-to-the-basket – patient approach, power moves to back his way into short toss-ins, head fakes to bait his man out of position and short turnaround jumpers over the defender.

On the other end, Avdija does not project as an ace defender capable of picking up star opponents for the entire game but impressed with his awareness as a help defender and proved himself capable of hanging with smaller players out in space from time-to-time.

He was particularly impressive with his activity rotating off the weakside and surprised with his quick leaping ability off two feet to not only challenge shots via verticality but act as a constant shot blocking threat as well – averaging 3.0 blocks per 40 minutes at the U20 European Championship.
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