2019 Badger Football - Rose Bowl Lead Up

Ryan5UW · Post #141 » by **Ryan5UW** » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:39 pm

Those pants are like football khakis. We should wear them against Michigan, or if we play in the State Farm Bowl.

Post #142 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:49 pm

Good article on 2021 QB commit Decon Hill.

From what I've read about him this summer he sounds like a legitimately exciting prospect despite being an unknown. He'll be fun to follow and see if he rises in the ranks over the next two years.

Post #143 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:03 pm

Read on Twitter

Did not expect this.

LittleRooster · Post #144 » by **LittleRooster** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:06 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

Read on Twitter

Did not expect this.

Just came here to post the same thing

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Kerb Hohl · Post #145 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:10 pm

Now I wonder if he stays.

I guess it is in his benefit to do so given it's harder to quickly play elsewhere...probably?

MikeIsGood · Post #146 » by **MikeIsGood** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:31 pm

Wowza, did not expect that. I mean, he was pretty quickly found not guilty, so good on them for aligning to that, but there will still be backlash. Just hope the team is prepared for that if he comes back.

midranger · Post #147 » by **midranger** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:40 pm

I think there will be minimal if any backlash.

The initial vote was 12-0 to acquit. No deliberation. All evidence pointed to not only his lack of guilt, but rather his innocence. Becky Blank and the DA should probably lose their jobs tbh.

This was about to be a MAJOR headache for UW. Not to get into details but forces were mobilizing, both on the team and extrinsic to the university.

Ultimately, they have now done as right as they can for the kid, and he has a chance to get his life back on track either at UW or elsewhere.

Kerb Hohl · Post #148 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:45 pm

midranger wrote:I think there will be minimal if any backlash.

The initial vote was 12-0 to acquit. No deliberation. All evidence pointed to not only his lack of guilt, but rather his innocence. Becky Blank and the DA should probably lose their jobs tbh.

This was about to be a MAJOR headache for UW. Not to get into details but forces were mobilizing, both on the team and extrinsic to the university.

Ultimately, they have now done as right as they can for the kid, and he has a chance to get his life back on track either at UW or elsewhere.

There was almost nothing else they could do. No comment on the DA but the University has to move quickly at the onset of this and they were basically a week later than everyone wanted on the back end. Imagine the backlash if they let a guilty sex offender play for 2 years while his trial went on.

Everyone was mad because the process doesn't move along fast enough. They were yelling to reinstate Cephus last week when the University has to go through some form of their own process. Yes, it was fairly obvious that he was acquitted in his trial. They have to still go through their own process to clear him of the school's decision given that it is an entirely different process than the criminal process.

I get being somewhat mad at the Title IX thing as a whole (it's impossible to find a good middle ground IMO) but it was just odd that people are mad at the school for doing essentially what it has to...unless it wants to just let guys play through stuff like Baylor or FSU or whatever.

midranger · Post #149 » by **midranger** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:57 pm

Unless if Blank and the UW was pressuring the DA to prosecute....

Unless if UW was never acting in good faith and would assume this would all blow over if they just rode out their “process” and only reinstated him because there was a deserved **** storm brewing at their doorstep...

Post #150 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:58 pm

#19 in the AP.

midranger · Post #151 » by **midranger** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:01 pm

If only there was a multinational corporation that would love to embarrass UW that has under contract an African American with Wisconsin ties who also lost his career due to his color.

It seems like that corporation may be interested in this situation...

Kerb Hohl · Post #152 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:01 pm

midranger wrote:Unless if Blank and the UW was pressuring the DA to prosecute....

Unless if UW was never acting in good faith and would assume this would all blow over if they just rode out their “process” and only reinstated him because there was a literal **** storm brewing at their doorstep...

UW isn't immune to this. This **** is happening at almost every school and I think it seems like common practice that the schools after all of this just hope it does blow over and the guy transfers. In most cases, that's the best for everyone, anyways.

There was a **** brewing in the other direction in the beginning of this and it was in Cephus best interest (in many ways) to force the issue for reinstatement. He either wants to sue the school or get back into football ASAP. So good for him there.

If Blank was truly pushing for prosecution then that isn't good. Have not seen any credible report of that.

Kerb Hohl · Post #153 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:05 pm

midranger wrote:If only there was a multinational corporation that would love to embarrass UW that has under contract an African American with Wisconsin ties who also lost his career due to his color.

It seems like that corporation may be interested in this situation...

No comment yet again on the racial stuff with the whole idea of it being tried. I cannot tell you if that was the case, it has been alluded to definitely and there are rumors of the accusers' dads or whatever.

UW is compelled by Title IX to act quickly on this stuff. This one seems to have backfired but I can tell you that there are lots of other cases where some guy that is accused of his 3rd assault or was pretty clearly in the wrong somehow but the cases are dropped due to lack of evidence to go to a criminal trial should probably be expelled. That's the impossible task. You have to act swiftly so people are safe on your campus (and you don't face litigation that way). Of course, now you get people's lives ruined if there is a false accusation or if the school's penalties are too harsh.

Post #154 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:13 pm

Can't believe the season starts next week. Hate Friday night games. Let the high schools have that night.

Kerb Hohl · Post #155 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:15 pm

My prediction: Team is good/solid but finishes 8-4, maybe even 7-5 with some bad injury luck with close losses to Michigan, OSU, and MSU. Everyone wants to fire Chryst and they go 10-2 in 2020 with an easier schedule and veteran defense.

Post #156 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:31 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:My prediction: Team is good/solid but finishes 8-4, maybe even 7-5 with some bad injury luck with close losses to Michigan, OSU, and MSU. Everyone wants to fire Chryst and they go 10-2 in 2020 with an easier schedule and veteran defense.

Schedule is tough. I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose the opener. Interested to see how Coan has developed.

midranger · Post #157 » by **midranger** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:33 pm

UW is also compelled to get it right. These are peoples’ lives. When they get it wrong, they should be criticized.

This time, they got it VERY wrong.

Kerb Hohl · Post #158 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:36 pm

midranger wrote:UW is also compelled to get it right. These are peoples’ lives. When they get it wrong, they should be criticized.

This time, they got it VERY wrong.

This is not unique to UW. UW got it right in the end whether it was from pressure or something else, this not some easy, slam dunk decision. Title IX compels schools to act quickly and sort it out later. In this case, I agree, it might have been wrong. UW could only see what was being presented by evidence before the trial...a good deal of that was withheld. You're asking them to either let Cephus play on a national stage while there are rape accusations or you're asking them to predict the outcome of a criminal trial or act on evidence that they aren't allowed to have.

FSU basically took a broom and kept brushing things under the rug while Jameis finished out college and then the problem went away. Of course, it doesn't matter that they got it right or not to the people currently fighting for Cephus and mad at the school because the woman/women at FSU were not college football players (and there are many other examples around the country as well, many not involving athletes).

Kerb Hohl · Post #159 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:41 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:My prediction: Team is good/solid but finishes 8-4, maybe even 7-5 with some bad injury luck with close losses to Michigan, OSU, and MSU. Everyone wants to fire Chryst and they go 10-2 in 2020 with an easier schedule and veteran defense.

Schedule is tough. I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose the opener. Interested to see how Coan has developed.

Definitely a game they've lost in the past and minimal room for error to lose one like this this season.

I think the defense is going to be way deeper this year which was the huge problem going into last year. The lofty expectations were very volatile given that they basically replaced like 9 starters on defense, which was their calling card. Defense still may be a year way but should be stronger this year.

Even if Coan is not great and Mertz is not yet, they can be a good team if the defense is back to stable.

Post #160 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:46 pm

I have not been paying attention to the details in the Cephus story other than the original reporting which did not at all paint a flattering portrait of him or Danny Davis, so I won't make any judgments on him or his actions. But I do know that women have been sexually harassed and assaulted by prominent UW athletes without consequence on more than one occasion, and were afraid to come forward because they knew the chances of prosecution were slim (as these cases are very hard to prove) and they didn't want to face backlash from campus as a whole.

There are no winners in these situations. Cephus was acquitted, but that does not mean he was innocent. The only people who know that for sure are Cephus and the young women he was with.

Rebecca Blank, having seen the tremendous backlash against MSU/Baylor and other universities that covered up sexual assaults, decided to err on the side of expelling Cephus on the front end instead of letting the process play out. Was that the right decision? If I was in that position, I would have pulled him off the football team but let him continue his studies until due process ran its course, and then acted. But it's a very tough choice for anyone in that position, and credit to the administration, they did the only thing they legally could in this situation, which was to reinstate him. Otherwise, Cephus would have likely litigated this issue and UW very well could have lost (with damages).

I am inclined to believe that it is in the best interest of Cephus to transfer elsewhere and get a fresh start, but that is his call.