Around the Offseason, Take 2

[DOT]

Hhmmmmm....... Fiz better step up cause Thibs be lurking.

If thibs could get this roster to play defense the team is set up perfect for him, a young athletic PG, a center with all nba defense potential, and a bunch of young wings he can run into the ground lol..

It's feasible.
Thibs is an interesting fit for new York.
Who would you trust with this roster more?
Thibs or fitz? It's pretty comparable.

Thibs coaches team's as if they were the knicks. Completely defensive orientiented, on team's that couldn't execute it. In NY his defensive philosophies would be intertwined with doing what is nessary to win.


Also, who would you trust in a playoff series? Fitz or thibs?
A good off-season and good draft is a reason to fitz deserves some benefit but the on court fitz didn't really give us a lot of reasons to particularly instill trust. What we do know, the youths are safe with getting development minutes under him. We also had to experience a kind of lineup carousel under his tenure so there's that.

They are pretty comparable

They're both pretty bad

I choose neither

[bearadonisdna]

If thibs could get this roster to play defense the team is set up perfect for him, a young athletic PG, a center with all nba defense potential, and a bunch of young wings he can run into the ground lol..

It's feasible.
Thibs is an interesting fit for new York.
Who would you trust with this roster more?
Thibs or fitz? It's pretty comparable.

Thibs coaches team's as if they were the knicks. Completely defensive orientiented, on team's that couldn't execute it. In NY his defensive philosophies would be intertwined with doing what is nessary to win.


Also, who would you trust in a playoff series? Fitz or thibs?
A good off-season and good draft is a reason to fitz deserves some benefit but the on court fitz didn't really give us a lot of reasons to particularly instill trust. What we do know, the youths are safe with getting development minutes under him. We also had to experience a kind of lineup carousel under his tenure so there's that.

They are pretty comparable

They're both pretty bad

I choose neither

Thibs defense is the only reason why he gets in the room. He has struck out with me on a lot of other aspects like, youth playing time, and things like 8 man rotations for the regular season.

Wonder what other names are on deck then?

[Capn'O]

I'm more interested in seeing squats than upper body work

And core work.

[DOT]

It's feasible.
Thibs is an interesting fit for new York.
Who would you trust with this roster more?
Thibs or fitz? It's pretty comparable.

Thibs coaches team's as if they were the knicks. Completely defensive orientiented, on team's that couldn't execute it. In NY his defensive philosophies would be intertwined with doing what is nessary to win.


Also, who would you trust in a playoff series? Fitz or thibs?
A good off-season and good draft is a reason to fitz deserves some benefit but the on court fitz didn't really give us a lot of reasons to particularly instill trust. What we do know, the youths are safe with getting development minutes under him. We also had to experience a kind of lineup carousel under his tenure so there's that.

They are pretty comparable

They're both pretty bad

I choose neither

Thibs defense is the only reason why he gets in the room. He has struck out with me on a lot of other aspects like, youth playing time, and things like 8 man rotations for the regular season.

Wonder what other names are on deck then?

Thibs isn't a good defensive coach any more. The Wolves were a better defensive team the year before he got there than any of the three years he's been in charge

He was a great defensive coach a decade ago, but now he's not

[Chanel Bomber]

Remember when Gallo bust out the shammgod at the Garden in his rookie year? I think it was preseason. I still remember the zoom on Mike D’s face after the play. Man I will never forgive Tractor Traylor.

[malik959]

Just had an argument. Who has the better young core?

Knicks or Bulls?

Everybody seems to think Bulls

Bulls and it’s not close

Def CHI. We'll see in a few years. Comes down to RBJ for pretty much everything related to how high our ceiling is (as of now).

Lauri vs Randle
WCJ vs Mitch
Otto vs Knox
Lavine vs RBJ
White vs DSJ

Other than Lavine there's nobody I can say I definitely want over our guys, heck I wouldn't trade Mitch for anyone on their team. RJ is projected to be better than anyone on that squad. Currently Randle is a better scorer than Lauri, their blocks and steal are equal, but Randle is the better passer. White and DSJ are pretty much a wash right now. Let's come back to this discussion midseason so we can actually judge RJ, White, and whether or not DSJ or even Knox improves. Because if either of them show improvement this comparison goes out the window.

[bearadonisdna]

They are pretty comparable

They're both pretty bad

I choose neither

Thibs defense is the only reason why he gets in the room. He has struck out with me on a lot of other aspects like, youth playing time, and things like 8 man rotations for the regular season.

Wonder what other names are on deck then?

Thibs isn't a good defensive coach any more. The Wolves were a better defensive team the year before he got there than any of the three years he's been in charge

He was a great defensive coach a decade ago, but now he's not

Wouldn't take those minny results to literal.
Only because the goal was to improve the team to the playoffs which happened.
The defense not improving is kind of circumstantial, there are some clear indicators for why it didn't happen, examples: Towns, Wiggins, you also have a shorty tyus Jones as your best perimeter defender practically. Edit; besides jimmy.

[DOT]

Thibs defense is the only reason why he gets in the room. He has struck out with me on a lot of other aspects like, youth playing time, and things like 8 man rotations for the regular season.

Wonder what other names are on deck then?

Thibs isn't a good defensive coach any more. The Wolves were a better defensive team the year before he got there than any of the three years he's been in charge

He was a great defensive coach a decade ago, but now he's not

Wouldn't take those minny results to literal.
Only because the goal was to improve the team to the playoffs which happened.
The defense not improving is kind of circumstantial, there are some clear indicators for why it didn't happen, examples: Towns, Wiggins, you also have a shorty tyus Jones as your best perimeter defender practically. Edit; besides jimmy.

They had both Towns and Wiggins the year before Thibs got there, so that argument is invalid

Plus, that's an argument for the defense to be bad, not for Thibs to not have improved it. If Thibs were a good defensive coach, he should have a better defense than the coach before him who had pretty much the same roster, no?

He's not a good defensive coach any more.

[bearadonisdna]

Thibs isn't a good defensive coach any more. The Wolves were a better defensive team the year before he got there than any of the three years he's been in charge

He was a great defensive coach a decade ago, but now he's not

Wouldn't take those minny results to literal.
Only because the goal was to improve the team to the playoffs which happened.
The defense not improving is kind of circumstantial, there are some clear indicators for why it didn't happen, examples: Towns, Wiggins, you also have a shorty tyus Jones as your best perimeter defender practically. Edit; besides jimmy.

They had both Towns and Wiggins the year before Thibs got there, so that argument is invalid

Plus, that's an argument for the defense to be bad, not for Thibs to not have improved it. If Thibs were a good defensive coach, he should have a better defense than the coach before him who had pretty much the same roster, no?

He's not a good defensive coach any more.

The defensive results are kind of secondary.
While he may not improved the defensive compared to his successor, the team did experience more success under thibs.

Of course the addition of Jimmy butler was the main reason why, I feel the winning is more telling than the defensive results. Minnesota may not get to playoffs for another 10 years so I can't totally dismiss thibs biggest perceived strength.

It's hard to make a case for a guy who is out of the league right now, and it's not my main intention, but rather to give some insight on thibs.

Ranking him among defensive coaches, I would ballpark my estimation to about top half of the league.

[DOT]

Wouldn't take those minny results to literal.
Only because the goal was to improve the team to the playoffs which happened.
The defense not improving is kind of circumstantial, there are some clear indicators for why it didn't happen, examples: Towns, Wiggins, you also have a shorty tyus Jones as your best perimeter defender practically. Edit; besides jimmy.

They had both Towns and Wiggins the year before Thibs got there, so that argument is invalid

Plus, that's an argument for the defense to be bad, not for Thibs to not have improved it. If Thibs were a good defensive coach, he should have a better defense than the coach before him who had pretty much the same roster, no?

He's not a good defensive coach any more.

The defensive results are kind of secondary.
While he may not improved the defensive compared to his successor, the team did experience more success under thibs.

Of course the addition of Jimmy butler was the main reason why, I feel the winning is more telling than the defensive results. Minnesota may not get to playoffs for another 10 years so I can't totally dismiss thibs biggest perceived strength.

It's hard to make a case for a guy who is out of the league right now, and it's not my main intention, but rather to give some insight on thibs.

Ranking him among defensive coaches, I would ballpark my estimation to about top half of the league.

So, you want a coach based off a perception that is almost a decade old and because Jimmy Butler carried his team to the playoffs

Thibs is not a good coach. He is not a good defensive coach, and we should absolutely not even think about hiring him

[Thugger HBC]

Based on league averages, really aint no team truly playing defense in this day.

[DOT]

Based on league averages, really aint no team truly playing defense in this day.

It's more that teams play faster than they did 20 years ago, and shoot more efficient shots

If you look at average per100 stats, there's only about 5 points of difference between this past year and 1997 (earliest stats.nba.com has numbers for)

Just cause you can't punch guys in the face anymore doesn't mean teams don't play defense

[Thugger HBC]

Based on league averages, really aint no team truly playing defense in this day.

It's more that teams play faster than they did 20 years ago, and shoot more efficient shots

Due to a lack of defense.

[DOT]

Based on league averages, really aint no team truly playing defense in this day.

It's more that teams play faster than they did 20 years ago, and shoot more efficient shots

Due to a lack of defense.

Due to people figuring out that 3>2, and that shooting a 60% layup is better than a 45% mid range

You put a team from the 90s in today's league, they're not gonna be nearly as good on defense as they were back then. Sure, team like the Bulls or Knicks would still be good, but they'd still give up well over 100 points a game, especially if they're playing a 90s front court out there

[Thugger HBC]

Defenses back then took a lot of clock, just as much as offenses did. I can see only the 90's Bulls being effective in todays NBA defensively. They had guys who could keep a player in front without hands and forearms and could play passing lanes effectively, and seemed to have a healthy amount of bigs that could secure boards. Then just happen to have a guy who could crack you for any number on any given night. They had the height, length, athleticism and skillset, honestly ahead of their time.

Nowadays things are just different. Offenses dictate the game. Weak offenses aint going anywhere regardless of their defense

[HEZI]

Wouldn't say nobody plays defense anymore but it is tougher to guard nowadays. You got guys shooting 30+ footers, you got centers that can shoot 3s and put it on the floor, players overall are just more skilled nowadays and are trained to score in a variety of ways as opposed to guys that were more assigned to specific roles. The game was played much more closer to the basket back in the days so it was easier to play good team defense. Now it's more about having a potent offense and spreading the floor and making key defensive stops in crucial moments.

[HarthorneWingo]

Remember when Gallo bust out the shammgod at the Garden in his rookie year? I think it was preseason. I still remember the zoom on Mike D’s face after the play. Man I will never forgive Tractor Traylor.

Was that the back injury?

[HarthorneWingo]

Wouldn't say nobody plays defense anymore but it is tougher to guard nowadays. You got guys shooting 30+ footers, you got centers that can shoot 3s and put it on the floor, players overall are just more skilled nowadays and are trained to score in a variety of ways as opposed to guys that were more assigned to specific roles. The game was played much more closer to the basket back in the days so it was easier to play good team defense. Now it's more about having a potent offense and spreading the floor and making key defensive stops in crucial moments.

Fundamental basketball. The ball moves faster than the defense. Plus, the rules favor the offense.

[HarthorneWingo]

Defenses back then took a lot of clock, just as much as offenses did. I can see only the 90's Bulls being effective in todays NBA defensively. They had guys who could keep a player in front without hands and forearms and could play passing lanes effectively, and seemed to have a healthy amount of bigs that could secure boards. Then just happen to have a guy who could crack you for any number on any given night. They had the height, length, athleticism and skillset, honestly ahead of their time.

Nowadays things are just different. Offenses dictate the game. Weak offenses aint going anywhere regardless of their defense

When they had Rodman, they had 3 all-league defenders. MJ, Pippen, and Dennis. And Horace was an excellent defender. He may have made all-league too, IDK.

We also had some excellent defenders. It's very difficult to compare eras like this.

[Chanel Bomber]

Remember when Gallo bust out the shammgod at the Garden in his rookie year? I think it was preseason. I still remember the zoom on Mike D’s face after the play. Man I will never forgive Tractor Traylor.

Was that the back injury?

Indeed.