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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#161 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:50 pm

humanrefutation wrote:I have not been paying attention to the details in the Cephus story other than the original reporting which did not at all paint a flattering portrait of him or Danny Davis, so I won't make any judgments on him or his actions. But I do know that women have been sexually harassed and assaulted by prominent UW athletes without consequence on more than one occasion, and were afraid to come forward because they knew the chances of prosecution were slim (as these cases are very hard to prove) and they didn't want to face backlash from campus as a whole.

There are no winners in these situations. Cephus was acquitted, but that does not mean he was innocent. The only people who know that for sure are Cephus and the young women he was with.

Rebecca Blank, having seen the tremendous backlash against MSU/Baylor and other universities that covered up sexual assaults, decided to err on the side of expelling Cephus on the front end instead of letting the process play out. Was that the right decision? If I was in that position, I would have pulled him off the football team but let him continue his studies until due process ran its course, and then acted. But it's a very tough choice for anyone in that position, and credit to the administration, they did the only thing they legally could in this situation, which was to reinstate him. Otherwise, Cephus would have likely litigated this issue and UW very well could have lost (with damages).

I am inclined to believe that it is in the best interest of Cephus to transfer elsewhere and get a fresh start, but that is his call.


Pretty much 100% with you except it's not even necessarily an athletics thing with suspension/expulsion.

Suspending him from football takes the national spotlight away (mostly)...as you say, this is a hard thing to do and there are no winners but the school is also forced for its own reputation and potential other forms of litigation to keep its students safe. It sucks in cases like this if we are to believe that Cephus was innocent for sure as his life was **** up from this, but generally I'd say you maybe have to expel the student or at least suspend from school pending the trial.

Say there's another case where the man was guilty in the court of law or at the very least it was an OJ thing...everyone knows he was. Now imagine that student allowed to walk your campus and attend classes for 1-2 years during trial. Hell, imagine if that student committed another alleged rape while allowed to be on campus.

It's a no-win situation because someone that may be completely innocent may be expelled/life messed with on the flipside of my above example with false accusations. The whole thing sucks. Men have to be better on the whole but there's always the false accusation. However, it's a college campus and people hook up. You just hope to see as few of these as possible while also holding men accountable as much as possible.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#162 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:19 pm

midranger wrote:UW is also compelled to get it right. These are peoples’ lives. When they get it wrong, they should be criticized.

This time, they got it VERY wrong.


No they didn't. Had they not reinstated him then they would have gotten it wrong.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#163 » by midranger » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:54 pm

HaroldinGMinor wrote:
midranger wrote:UW is also compelled to get it right. These are peoples’ lives. When they get it wrong, they should be criticized.

This time, they got it VERY wrong.


No they didn't. Had they not reinstated him then they would have gotten it wrong.

I mean, he lost a year of his schooling/life.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#164 » by Turk Nowitzki » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:56 pm

I can't imagine he would be coming up to Madison to do a press conference if he wasn't going to rejoin the football team.

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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#165 » by trwi7 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:03 pm

His high school basketball coach/mentor seems to think he wants to stay at Wisconsin.

"QT is the most loyal person I’ve ever met," he said. "Because of his character and being such a loyal person, I know he would love to be a part of the university as a student and be a part of the football program. He has a really strong relationship with coach (Ted) Gilmore, the wide receivers coach, and the other coaches on staff supported him as much as they could during this situation. The teammates have supported him.

"My guess is that Q wants to be at Wisconsin, wants to play football at Wisconsin and wants to represent the university the way he was representing it before. He was academic all-Big Ten, a great player and a great teammate and somebody that loves the school."


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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#166 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:25 pm

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midranger wrote:UW is also compelled to get it right. These are peoples’ lives. When they get it wrong, they should be criticized.

This time, they got it VERY wrong.


No they didn't. Had they not reinstated him then they would have gotten it wrong.

I mean, he lost a year of his schooling/life.


He would've lost it no matter what unless they let him go to school/play during this trial. Easy to say now, but imagine if he helped them win the Big 10 and finished his football career and then was convicted or if the charges were dropped on some technicality but it seemed pretty obvious something bad happened.

You're literally asking them to predict the outcome of a criminal trial. They have a very low bar of the school policy because otherwise guys that are pretty clearly guilty of something will be roaming the school and on national TV for your university. It sucks in cases like this but it can be sorted out later in terms of the school.

This is the most hindsight-ass analysis ever, mid.

They did not have a ton of evidence on hand, which sucked for them. I think the DA maybe shouldn't have prosecuted it but it would've been a bit look if they said, "welp, we don't have much evidence so we'll have to let him play...meanwhile he's on trial for raping two women."
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#167 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:29 pm

midranger wrote:
HaroldinGMinor wrote:
midranger wrote:UW is also compelled to get it right. These are peoples’ lives. When they get it wrong, they should be criticized.

This time, they got it VERY wrong.


No they didn't. Had they not reinstated him then they would have gotten it wrong.

I mean, he lost a year of his schooling/life.


Blame the DA (or the accuser if you are so inclined). That's not on the school.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#168 » by humanrefutation » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:51 pm

Any chance that Mertz ends up taking snaps this year? I was kinda hoping he'd beat out Coan.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#169 » by Mags FTW » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:56 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Any chance that Mertz ends up taking snaps this year? I was kinda hoping he'd beat out Coan.

If they are mathematically eliminated from B10 Title Game contention at some point, I could see them giving Mertz some series if they feel he's capable.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#170 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:02 pm

Yeah it's probably going to be ride Coan until a few losses and then get Mertz/Wolf some time while maybe keeping both redshirted with the 4-game thing.

I think Mertz could be great and I wish he was on the Trevor Lawrence path of being incredible right away but it might just be that he's not ready to be a stud just yet. Expectations became unreasonable given his rating vs. most of the other QBs that have come in. I trust that if he's that good that they're not going to hold him back for some seniority reason.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#172 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:03 pm

Sounds like Coan has been better, at least somewhat, than Mertz so far in camp. They'll go with Coan but I think a couple of early losses and they might roll the dice with Mertz. As Mags said they might at least give him a few series here and there.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#173 » by MikeIsGood » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:50 pm

Cepheus is back with the team and they are working out eligibility to determine when he can play again this season.

Not totally in the clear obviously but sounding like he stays here.

Hopefully he’s in shape and ready to rock. He was looking like our most talented receiver in many years.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#174 » by BUCKnation » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:15 am

Would be a shame to spoiler this WR crew with poor QB play like last year again.
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Post#178 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:00 am



Everything in there you can "yea, but" you can do with every other university. I absolutely believe Wisconsin goes cheap on recruiting, just like they do with everything else.
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#179 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:25 am

I was a bit more colorful in my explanation last night after a few drinks, but that’s also not true.

They’ve gone short of crossing a million bucks for a coordinator or two but go and look up spending by school and depending on the article, they’re somewhere in the top 15-20 on that.

I’m not sure if you think they’re really good in both sports and for the most part, the other factors like talent to recruit being nearby are not in their favor. Yet they’re a top 10 program in both sports over the past decade (or two).
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Re: 2019 Badger Football - Cephus Reinstated 

Post#180 » by vegaspacker » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:25 pm

Just a heads up, my buddy's son is Cameron Wiley. He's a frosh at Minnesota. This guy has so much potential as a RB, he could develop into a 1st rounder. He'll probably get four games this season in order to maintain a RS year. Just a super beast though, I hope he does well.
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