RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#23 2019-20

[Heat4lyf]

To everyone voting Mitchell what makes him better than devin booker?

On that note
Nominate : booker

[KqWIN]

To everyone voting Mitchell what makes him better than devin booker?

On that note
Nominate : booker

I did not vote for Booker, but I think the argument is very simple. Booker is a significantly worse defender than Mitchell, and that outweighs the difference on offense...if one will exist at all next season. This is supported by the numbers which indicate Booker as one of the worst defenders in the league.

[iggymcfrack]

Players who averaged at least 16.7 PPG with a TS% of .628 or higher last year:

Giannis Antetokounmpo
Steph Curry
Danilo Gallinari
Kevin Durant
Pascal Siakam

If you open it up a little bit to say 15 PPG, you get guys like Gobert and Capela that play a different role, but Siakam’s a legitimate creator who’s capable of being a #1 option when he’s not next to the #1 player in the league. He’s an offensive star already while also being one of the best defensive players in the league. Really glad to see him finally going here. I had him #13 overall.

He's got some good indicators, but we'll see how he is as the number one option and the extent to which that becomes his role at all.

His usage without Kawhi was 22.6%. That's about the same as Ibaka (22.9%) was overall. Ibaka was 26.2% w/o Kawhi.

It’s definitely surprising that Ibaka shot the ball that much off the bench, but 22.6 isn’t exactly low either. That’s higher than guys like Butler, Simmons, and Tatum for instance.

[iggymcfrack]

To everyone voting Mitchell what makes him better than devin booker?

On that note
Nominate : booker

Defense. Mitchell’s slightly above average at it and Booker’s still terrible on that end. Not that I’d vote Mitchell above Siakam, Paul, or Lowry who are all much better defenders still.

[THE J0KER]

Voted Mitchell, nominate Vucevic and instead of Durant Jamal Murray.

[Syd-TK3]

We are basing these ratings on how they will be in the upcoming season than I'm picking siakam

[Catchall]

Julius Randle?

You can't be serious

Julius Randle: 21.7 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 3.1 apg, 55.5% eFG%, 21.0 PER

Offensively, Randle was comparable or better last year than Siakam.

I'm so confused as to why you continue to make false statements about Siakam when you've never seen him play. Because let's be honest, you've never seen him play.

Randle:


Siakam:


Please tell us how Randle was comparable/better last year than Siakam offensively.
And do you just totally ignore defense when evaluating players?

I have watched Siakam, especially during the playoffs this year. The stats you just posted show that Randle, aside from averaging more points, rebounds and assists, had a higher PER, higher usage, higher rebound rate, higher assist rate, higher FT rate, and comparable TS%. The win-share stat isn't as relevant where the Raptors as a team had more wins than the Pelicans. You may be confused, but these aren't false statements.

I'm comparing Randle and Siakam offensively. Yes, Siakam is a much better defender.

[HoopsterJones]

Siakam is getting that Raptors vote bump here.
He’s not better than Donovan Mitchell as of right now.

But he might be if he’s the #1 Option this season now that Kawhi is with LAC.

[Asif16]

Siakam is getting that Raptors vote bump here.
He’s not better than Donovan Mitchell as of right now.

But he might be if he’s the #1 Option this season now that Kawhi is with LAC.

He's definetely better than Mitchell right now.

Mitchell's season this past year was Ass. Hit a huge sophomore slump while Siakam dominated

[mademan]

Siakam is getting that Raptors vote bump here.
He’s not better than Donovan Mitchell as of right now.

But he might be if he’s the #1 Option this season now that Kawhi is with LAC.

Right now? As in, what we've seen of them up to this point? How can anyone think Mitchell's been better?

[HoopsterJones]

Siakam is getting that Raptors vote bump here.
He’s not better than Donovan Mitchell as of right now.

But he might be if he’s the #1 Option this season now that Kawhi is with LAC.

He's definetely better than Mitchell right now.

Mitchell's season this past year was Ass. Hit a huge sophomore slump while Siakam dominated

Siakam was very good no doubt, but not dominant though.

Still think Mitchell is a better player. But it would not shock me if Siakam is better this season being the main guy in TOR.

[Heat4lyf]

To everyone voting Mitchell what makes him better than devin booker?

On that note
Nominate : booker

I did not vote for Booker, but I think the argument is very simple. Booker is a significantly worse defender than Mitchell, and that outweighs the difference on offense...if one will exist at all next season. This is supported by the numbers which indicate Booker as one of the worst defenders in the league.

I think booker is vastly superior offensive threat
Half the year Mitchell was bad perhaps he makes the jump but idk

And I know booker is horrible on D but Mitchell has a bunch of solid defenders helping him and a great coach and best rim protector in the league

Booker has none of that so his bad is exposed even more

I just think it's a fair comparison so idk why booker isn't even on the list that's all

[LloydFree]

Vote for Siakam
Nominate Josh Richardson

[RunOKC]

Siakam is getting that Raptors vote bump here.
He’s not better than Donovan Mitchell as of right now.

But he might be if he’s the #1 Option this season now that Kawhi is with LAC.

He's definetely better than Mitchell right now.

Mitchell's season this past year was Ass. Hit a huge sophomore slump while Siakam dominated

How was he ass? Maybe you based it on their slow start to the year?

17-18: 20.5 PPG (43.7 FG%/34 3P%), 3.7 reb/assist, 1.5stl
18-19: 23.8 PPG (43.2 FG%/36.2 3P%), 4.1 reb/4.2 ast, 1.4stl

Not seeing a huge sophomore slump. Mitchell is better right now imo. We'll see if Siakam is up to the challenge of being the #1 option.

[mademan]

Siakam is getting that Raptors vote bump here.
He’s not better than Donovan Mitchell as of right now.

But he might be if he’s the #1 Option this season now that Kawhi is with LAC.

He's definetely better than Mitchell right now.

Mitchell's season this past year was Ass. Hit a huge sophomore slump while Siakam dominated

How was he ass? Maybe you based it on their slow start to the year?

17-18: 20.5 PPG (43.7 FG%/34 3P%), 3.7 reb/assist, 1.5stl
18-19: 23.8 PPG (43.2 FG%/36.2 3P%), 4.1 reb/4.2 ast, 1.4stl

Not seeing a huge sophomore slump. Mitchell is better right now imo. We'll see if Siakam is up to the challenge of being the #1 option.

But he isnt better right now. Almost every analytical assessment of the 2 players from last year favours Siakam. It's Mitchell who would need to make the jump to be considered better

[BloodNinja]

Siakam over Mitchell is hilarious.

[iggymcfrack]

Siakam over Mitchell is hilarious.

Siakam was a little better in the regular season. He was MILES better in the playoffs. He was a good game or two away from winning Finals MVP while Mitchell had one of the worst series ever for a first option.

[KqWIN]

He's definetely better than Mitchell right now.

Mitchell's season this past year was Ass. Hit a huge sophomore slump while Siakam dominated

How was he ass? Maybe you based it on their slow start to the year?

17-18: 20.5 PPG (43.7 FG%/34 3P%), 3.7 reb/assist, 1.5stl
18-19: 23.8 PPG (43.2 FG%/36.2 3P%), 4.1 reb/4.2 ast, 1.4stl

Not seeing a huge sophomore slump. Mitchell is better right now imo. We'll see if Siakam is up to the challenge of being the #1 option.

But he isnt better right now. Almost every analytical assessment of the 2 players from last year favours Siakam. It's Mitchell who would need to make the jump to be considered better

The analytics didn't matter with Simmons, but they matter now that it's Siakam.

[mademan]

How was he ass? Maybe you based it on their slow start to the year?

17-18: 20.5 PPG (43.7 FG%/34 3P%), 3.7 reb/assist, 1.5stl
18-19: 23.8 PPG (43.2 FG%/36.2 3P%), 4.1 reb/4.2 ast, 1.4stl

Not seeing a huge sophomore slump. Mitchell is better right now imo. We'll see if Siakam is up to the challenge of being the #1 option.

But he isnt better right now. Almost every analytical assessment of the 2 players from last year favours Siakam. It's Mitchell who would need to make the jump to be considered better

The analytics didn't matter with Simmons, but they matter now that it's Siakam.

I weigh playoffs fairly heavily. Mitchell was a abysmal, simmons underperformed and Siakam ranged from pretty bad (against Philly) to true stardom, showing out

[KqWIN]

But he isnt better right now. Almost every analytical assessment of the 2 players from last year favours Siakam. It's Mitchell who would need to make the jump to be considered better

The analytics didn't matter with Simmons, but they matter now that it's Siakam.

I weigh playoffs fairly heavily. Mitchell was a abysmal, simmons underperformed and Siakam ranged from pretty bad (against Philly) to true stardom, showing out

OK...That's fine if you want to weigh playoffs that heavily. I'm just trying to find some consistency in these arguments. For me, I'm more interested in how one reaches a conclusion rather than the conclusion itself. I find myself making the case for someone I didn't vote for more often than not just because it confuses me how people come to these conclusions.

Regular season analytics were thrown out the window were ignored when comparing Mitchell and Simmons. Now they appear to be the core of many arguments now that it is Mitchell against Siakam. One of the statements you made in the other thread was along the lines of "Simmons is more than significantly better than Mitchell". I'm assuming that when you mean "every analytical assessment", you must mean playoff only.