Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[Mars]

IMHO we would have won in spite of lebron’s performance, but in typical spo fashion he held on to the rope attached to that dead horse he keeps beating till it’s too late. He always waited till we’re in a hole then bring charmers in, if spo would just do adjustments from time to time it wouldn’t have been even close in spite of lebron’s no show. And I’m not just talking about one game, I talking about all of them.

LeBron scored 8 points in Game 4. He played all 12 minutes of the fourth quarter and took "ONE" shot... let that marinate.

Total Minutes Played: 2010-11 NBA Finals

Bibby: 86 min (17.2 min per game)
Chalmers: 173 min (28.8 min per game)

No one is saying bench Bron for chalmers, it's bench Bibby for chalmers when Bibby was being murdered by barea, yes Bron choked and played horrible, but even with him playing like Doo Doo make that adjustment and we would have still won, in true spo fashion he starts us at a disadvantage and ride's it till we have no other option. There are things he does well but the ones he does bad are very glaring and hinder the team. Feel for the game and substitutions are not amongst the things he does well

HEAT had a 2-1 lead heading into Game 4...

• Game 4: Bibby played 16 minutes - Chalmers played 29 minutes - LeBron scored 8 points
• Game 5: Bibby played 15 minutes - Chalmers played 23 minutes - LeBron scored 17 points
• Game 6: Bibby had a DNP - Chalmers scored 18 points - LeBron scored 21 points

...Do you honestly believe that Spo, Bibby, and Chalmers had more impact on swinging the balance of that series than the consensus best player in the league who continually refused to post up 5'8 J.J. Barea whenever he was switched onto him?

[AirP.]

Without Bosh we wouldn't have won a championship.

Reply again with whatever crap you want.

Ah, you're one of those "your opinion" is worth more then data, got it.

You're really down playing LeBron and Wade in this situation where you've said Bosh was more important then LeBron for the titles.

Simple fact:

Bosh was more important to our titles than Lebron. There are very few elite players so humble that they can accept being a third wheel. Not rock the boat. And then cooly come up with big plays when the supposed superstar freezes.

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Bosh did lead Toronto to 1(out of 7) seasons to .500 or better while LeBron was carrying a bad Cavs teams to 60+ win seasons and got them to the finals.

Ah.. you're a LeBron hater, got it.

He is not implying Bosh was a better player than LeBron. He implying Bosh uniqueness/versatility was vital for the Heat to run Spo system.

That is not what he wrote, he said Bosh was more important in the title runs then LeBron. I get Bosh was an important piece, but at best he was the 3rd most important player. I mention the LeBron hater because I went back a few years and saw the LeChoke talk from him.

That Wade could have taken a lot of LeBron role at an elite level in Spo system if the Heat did not get Lebron, but there was no player at that time who could play Bosh role in Spo system (defensively or offensively) at a high level. So implying how Bosh and LeBron worked on other teams is irrelevant. The biggest challenge the Heat had when they acquired the Big 3 was how to find roles for James and Wade without getting in each other way. The answer was move Bosh to the stretch five, utilize Wade less. Wade would have to free lance more off the ball to replace some of his touches that he gave away to Lebron. Bosh was capable of adjusting his game to make Wade and James work and still play at a high level. Bosh would also carry more of an offensive load in the absence of LeBron or Wade and would not get in each other player way.

It's similar to running backs in the NFL. A classic greeat running back can still have a great impact, but due to the change in systems they have become less important. Or middle linebackers in the NFL. Marshall Faulk is a fine a fine example his versatility allowed the Rams to run their system.

In anotherwords, Bosh was more impactful to Wade or LeBron efficiency than LeBron or Wade was to each other. Ala, a duo of Bosh and LeBron or Bosh and Wade would be easier to build around than Wade and LeBron as a duo. Also, heat would not had a max third slot. The big 3 didn't get the Max

On a smaller scale, Joel Anthony was important because he was capable of running the system defensively regardless that he was a hot garbage of a player. I'm just trying to give context on what people mean when they say Bosh was the most important player.

I get the context, it's just wrong, it's even more wrong when someone tosses in "Simple fact:" to the statement. I could see someone making the argument for Iggy being the most important player for GS's title run when he won the Finals MVP, but Bosh doesn't even that.

[KingDavid]

Without LeBron Miami's just a solid to good playoff team, not really a legit contender. Without Bosh Miami would have still been a contender. By far, Lebron and Wade were way more worrisome to other teams then Bosh was. Bosh was a key player, but he was nowhere near as important as either LeBron or Wade, I'm guessing you're coming from the angle of LeBron and Wade somewhat overlapping skill set where as Bosh didn't have anyone who could basically duplicate his skillset, once again Miami could have went out and found someone good enough to win a championship without Bosh, the same could not be said of trading Lebron, which we saw LeBron leading bad teams to the finals before Miami and then carrying not as strong teams to the finals after Miami. Bosh got nowhere close while in Toronto.

My big stat I like to go to is the Dean Oliver's(not nba.com's) ORTG and DRTG when comparing players in somewhat the same situation like starter vs backup. In those playoffs Lebron's overall(ORTG-DRTG) for those playoffs went like this(since it tries to single out a player's impact to the team based off what the individual and the team actually did while on the court). It just shows me their impact on the team when they play, the more minutes(which LeBron constantly played more then Bosh) the better.
LeBron
10-11 (113, 102) +11
11-12 (116, 99) +17
12-13 (118, 101) +17
13-14 (124, 107) +17
Bosh
10-11 (111, 104) +7
11-12 (115, 102) +13
12-13 (108, 100) +8
13-14 (119, 110) +9

The impact per 100 possessions aren't even close. LeBron's playoff ORTG-DRTG are somewhere in the same ballpark as M.Jordan's.

Huh? In either scenario, we'd have an open max slot. We'd have a great bench or another star. Did you fall on your head? Why wouldn't we be contenders with that amount of money on the table?

Who's taking LeBron's spot and making the Heat a real contender from that free agent class? Boozer? Amar'e? J.Johnson?

Joe Johnson or a better set of role players. Wade was still in his prime in 2010 and could easily carry a team with a SF that can score anywhere (Bron couldn't shoot 3s) and Bosh, both in their primes. Joe obviously would not have LeBron's impact but the job still could have been done. Or did you forget what Wade did with post-prime Shaq in '06?

Without any of that, were talking about a team with prime Wade and prime Bosh. In what world is that not part of a contender?

[gom]

This offseason went from real exciting to real boring real fast lol

We seem to be in a holding pattern for now regarding trades so how about remaining FAs? I wouldn't mind plugging some roster soft spots with Joakim Noah and even... yes... Melo lol (assuming of course at the bare minimum salary allowable). Noah could provide some frontcourt value off the bench if he's load managed and we've really got nothing to lose by experimenting with Melo in a limited role. Both guys would figure to be low risk/mild reward signings

That is not the kind of excitement we are looking for.

[MartyConlonJr]

This offseason went from real exciting to real boring real fast lol

We seem to be in a holding pattern for now regarding trades so how about remaining FAs? I wouldn't mind plugging some roster soft spots with Joakim Noah and even... yes... Melo lol (assuming of course at the bare minimum salary allowable). Noah could provide some frontcourt value off the bench if he's load managed and we've really got nothing to lose by experimenting with Melo in a limited role. Both guys would figure to be low risk/mild reward signings

That is not the kind of excitement we are looking for.

Didn't Joakim hate Miami (Hollywood as hell) and admit that NY led him to 24x7 partying and that Memphis was a better pace for him without temptation? Is South Beach the place for that guy?

[HIF]

Without Bosh we wouldn't have won a championship.

Reply again with whatever crap you want.

Ah, you're one of those "your opinion" is worth more then data, got it.

You're really down playing LeBron and Wade in this situation where you've said Bosh was more important then LeBron for the titles.

Simple fact:

Bosh was more important to our titles than Lebron. There are very few elite players so humble that they can accept being a third wheel. Not rock the boat. And then cooly come up with big plays when the supposed superstar freezes.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1873491&start=1500

Bosh did lead Toronto to 1(out of 7) seasons to .500 or better while LeBron was carrying a bad Cavs teams to 60+ win seasons and got them to the finals.

Ah.. you're a LeBron hater, got it.

And you're a Bosh hater - got it.

[HIF]

Without Bosh we wouldn't have won a championship.

Reply again with whatever crap you want.

Ah, you're one of those "your opinion" is worth more then data, got it.

You're really down playing LeBron and Wade in this situation where you've said Bosh was more important then LeBron for the titles.

Simple fact:

Bosh was more important to our titles than Lebron. There are very few elite players so humble that they can accept being a third wheel. Not rock the boat. And then cooly come up with big plays when the supposed superstar freezes.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1873491&start=1500

Bosh did lead Toronto to 1(out of 7) seasons to .500 or better while LeBron was carrying a bad Cavs teams to 60+ win seasons and got them to the finals.

Ah.. you're a LeBron hater, got it.

He is not implying Bosh was a better player than LeBron. He implying Bosh uniqueness/versatility was vital for the Heat to run Spo system. That Wade could have taken a lot of LeBron role at an elite level in Spo system if the Heat did not get Lebron, but there was no player at that time who could play Bosh role in Spo system (defensively or offensively) at a high level. So implying how Bosh and LeBron worked on other teams is irrelevant. The biggest challenge the Heat had when they acquired the Big 3 was how to find roles for James and Wade without getting in each other way. The answer was move Bosh to the stretch five, utilize Wade less. Wade would have to free lance more off the ball to replace some of his touches that he gave away to Lebron. Bosh was capable of adjusting his game to make Wade and James work and still play at a high level. Bosh would also carry more of an offensive load in the absence of LeBron or Wade and would not get in each other player way.

It's similar to running backs in the NFL. A classic greeat running back can still have a great impact, but due to the change in systems they have become less important. Or middle linebackers in the NFL. Marshall Faulk is a fine a fine example his versatility allowed the Rams to run their system.

In anotherwords, Bosh was more impactful to Wade or LeBron efficiency than LeBron or Wade was to each other. Ala, a duo of Bosh and LeBron or Bosh and Wade would be easier to build around than Wade and LeBron as a duo. Also, heat would not had a max third slot. The big 3 didn't get the Max

On a smaller scale, Joel Anthony was important because he was capable of running the system defensively regardless that he was a hot garbage of a player. I'm just trying to give context on what people mean when they say Bosh was the most important player.


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You get it.

Thanks for explaining it to airhead.

[DayofMourning]

Stop being a jerk HIF. Being rude for the heck of it is a pretty stupid shtick to rely on.

[AirP.]

Ah, you're one of those "your opinion" is worth more then data, got it.

You're really down playing LeBron and Wade in this situation where you've said Bosh was more important then LeBron for the titles.

Simple fact:

Bosh was more important to our titles than Lebron. There are very few elite players so humble that they can accept being a third wheel. Not rock the boat. And then cooly come up with big plays when the supposed superstar freezes.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1873491&start=1500

Bosh did lead Toronto to 1(out of 7) seasons to .500 or better while LeBron was carrying a bad Cavs teams to 60+ win seasons and got them to the finals.

Ah.. you're a LeBron hater, got it.

And you're a Bosh hater - got it.

Not at all, I like Bosh way more than LeBron, I just don't let my dislike of LeBron cloud my view of his importance on a team.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

When does the season start? LOL. I want to see how our team improved.

[Beenie]

When does the season start? LOL. I want to see how our team improved.

Only 43 more days of senseless banter and hot takes regarding past Heat legends, draft mistakes, daily Beal and CP3 updates, White Drip's random practice vids, Spo's coaching prowess, Riley's mental facilities, and prostate milking techniques before the action reignites.

[eddieheatfan]

When does the season start? LOL. I want to see how our team improved.

Only 43 more days of senseless banter and hot takes regarding past Heat legends, draft mistakes, daily Beal and CP3 updates, White Drip's random practice vids, Spo's coaching prowess, Riley's mental facilities, and prostate milking techniques before the action reignites.

[twix2500]

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[Kobewade11]

Watch on YouTube

Iron sharpens iron. This is where Bam and DJJ needed to be instead of those pro AMs

[AirP.]

Here's the last part about the Heat from a Grizzly fan, it's a SB Nation website that's doing "Scouting the Enemy" content.

All in all, the Miami Heat are in phenomenal position for the short and long term — without possessing a yacht-load of picks. They have a star player that can be an alpha on a really good team, while also surrounding him with solid young players that can grow alongside him. Their bad contracts are close to expiring, so the allure of Miami can return to being a free agent recruiting tool.

After looking kind of bleh for the past year or so, the Miami Heat might be brewing up something sweet in South Beach.

https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2019/8/23/20826453/scouting-the-enemy-miami-heat-nba

[MartyCONLONNN]

Justise looking pretty rough in those videos. Most likely just going through the motions so nothing concerning, but he was really that scrub in pickup that hits a couple 3s but manages to brick everything else

[eddieheatfan]

Justise looking pretty rough in those videos. Most likely just going through the motions so nothing concerning, but he was really that scrub in pickup that hits a couple 3s but manages to brick everything else

[MartyCONLONNN]

Justise looking pretty rough in those videos. Most likely just going through the motions so nothing concerning, but he was really that scrub in pickup that hits a couple 3s but manages to brick everything else

whats the big deal? lol Did he look like a good NBA player in that video? I’m a big Winslow fan, have his jersey, think he should be our starting PG. Doesnt mean I won’t acknowledge how unimpressive he was in a video

[Bishop45]

Goatsise is even a team player in pick-up, none of that fake n fluff hoody melo stuff

[twix2500]

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