Why did Kyrie run away from Tatum and Brown?

[Wigginstime]

Tatum and Brown are/were highly overrated.

If you mean they're overrated because they once led their team to within a game of the Finals while averaging almost 20ppg in the 2018 playoffs as a rookie and sophomore, then yeah, I guess you have a point

Yes....

Tatum and Brown picked the perfect time to have a great run in the 2018 playoffs - but you should never evaluate a player based purely on a small sample size. I hate when fans do this. All the time you hear stats such as "During the Month of March Player X went from 6/4/4 to 19/9/6" that set up false expectations the player can never live up to. Half the bad contracts in the NBA result from this logic. See Eddy Curry's massive Knicks contract.

The truth of the matter is last year:
Tatum averaged 16/6/5 on low efficiency (55%TS, 15.1PER)
Brown averaged 13/4/1 on even lower efficiency (55%TS 13.5PER)

When a players with these stats are considered "untouchable" and viewed as more valuable than Anthony Davis they are clearly overrated.

[MrDollarBills]

the amount of real estate i occupy in their brains is unfathomable. They banned me from even reading the celtics board but still follow me around all over and even into our nets board. one guy even PM'd me asking if my sources are legit or not

Funny af.

any Celtic fan PM him to see if his sources are legit are just flat out trolling him. You got to know at least that right?

Nah I wasn't talking about that, I was laughing at the whole situation. my dude Prok has the entire Celts fanbase on here mad af I had no idea he was putting in work on that board like that.

[Prokorov]

i don't need to look back at it....i lived in boston and have been on this site and others when it happened. there were questions to rondo being the number 1 and franchise player and his attitude by some. virtually every player is questioned by some segment of a team's fan base but just because there's a fraction of a fan base against a player- it doesn't speak for the majority.

I lived in boston (still do) and was on this site too. it pretty unanimous dragging through the med by media and fans alike toward the end of rondos tenure and during his departure.

fans and media?...the fans love the players you brought up. the media is like any major city hard on it's players to begin with but also more scrutinized when the team/city has heightened definition of success based on past success with the team's they cover.

No fans have and still dump on ray allen.

you let a segment of the fan base or media speak for whole instead of what they are- a small percentage and that's not how it works. there will always be, in any market a player that is divisive or a player that doesn't get along with the media and that does NOT equate for the large percentage of fans who love that player.

this isnt this case. i live here. i have friends in media. i have friends who are season ticket holders. i go to the games, i see it.

[Karate Diop]

Jayson Tatum was considered a present/future superstar at 19, and Jaylen Brown is seen as a future multiple All-Star. Why would Kyrie leave a situation like that?

Jaylen Brown has shown future multiple All-Star potential?

[ITYSL]

Jay-Z told him that Boston Harbor was actually the end of the earth and so he had to get tf out of there

[MrDollarBills]

Jayson Tatum was considered a present/future superstar at 19, and Jaylen Brown is seen as a future multiple All-Star. Why would Kyrie leave a situation like that?

Jaylen Brown has shown future multiple All-Star potential?

Caris LeVert is better than Jaylen Brown anyway

[MagicBagley18]

i don't need to look back at it....i lived in boston and have been on this site and others when it happened. there were questions to rondo being the number 1 and franchise player and his attitude by some. virtually every player is questioned by some segment of a team's fan base but just because there's a fraction of a fan base against a player- it doesn't speak for the majority.

I lived in boston (still do) and was on this site too. it pretty unanimous dragging through the med by media and fans alike toward the end of rondos tenure and during his departure.

fans and media?...the fans love the players you brought up. the media is like any major city hard on it's players to begin with but also more scrutinized when the team/city has heightened definition of success based on past success with the team's they cover.

No fans have and still dump on ray allen.

you let a segment of the fan base or media speak for whole instead of what they are- a small percentage and that's not how it works. there will always be, in any market a player that is divisive or a player that doesn't get along with the media and that does NOT equate for the large percentage of fans who love that player.

this isnt this case. i live here. i have friends in media. i have friends who are season ticket holders. i go to the games, i see it.

Speaking as a season ticket holder for years- you’re wrong and you can continue to say it over and over again but it doesn’t make you right. It’s a trend in many of your posts when it comes to the Celtics and particularly kyrie- a lot of sizzle but no steak. Lots of words but no substance.

You are right that there is animosity directed at ray Allen but it has subsided some and even if it was as strong as it was when he left- that doesn’t make your point right. It’s an exception to the rule and it makes my point that there are always players or coaches or gm’s that a fan base rallies against (wrongly or rightly) and it doesn’t warrant enough criticism to paint the whole fan base negatively with a broad brush like you do.

Playing armchair fan psychiatrist I think you let your experiences with the fan base and the fact that you lived in the city make you think your some authority or some fan ambassador for the entire fan base and it’s fans and the media coverages of the team- it doesn’t.

While my experiences don’t make me any more right or wrong then your posts- I have the ability to separate my opinion and what I’ve read on realgm or experiences I’ve had with a small population of fans from reality. You should try it.

[Pelly24]

Jaylen Brown literally cannot handle the ball and he isn't really that quick and he's not really a real guard, so his ceiling isn't much higher than it is now. I thought he could be a Jimmy Butler, but I was wrong.

We'll see with Tatum. He kinda sucks though to be honest

[L3GEND4RY]

damn my dude got yall to the point where someone made a gif about him?

the amount of real estate i occupy in their brains is unfathomable. They banned me from even reading the celtics board but still follow me around all over and even into our nets board. one guy even PM'd me asking if my sources are legit or not

It’s actually the other way around. I think most of us were embarrassed for you. Now it’s just cringe.

[Curmudgeon]

Nets fans will discover the truth soon enough. No point in spelling it out for them, because they are not ready to listen.

[L3GEND4RY]

Nets fans will discover the truth soon enough. No point in spelling it out for them, because they are not ready to listen.

First time they’re relevant in a while and they use it as a crutch to try to get back at a fanbase for what Ainge did to King. It’s amusing.

[Prokorov]

i don't need to look back at it....i lived in boston and have been on this site and others when it happened. there were questions to rondo being the number 1 and franchise player and his attitude by some. virtually every player is questioned by some segment of a team's fan base but just because there's a fraction of a fan base against a player- it doesn't speak for the majority.

I lived in boston (still do) and was on this site too. it pretty unanimous dragging through the med by media and fans alike toward the end of rondos tenure and during his departure.

fans and media?...the fans love the players you brought up. the media is like any major city hard on it's players to begin with but also more scrutinized when the team/city has heightened definition of success based on past success with the team's they cover.

No fans have and still dump on ray allen.

you let a segment of the fan base or media speak for whole instead of what they are- a small percentage and that's not how it works. there will always be, in any market a player that is divisive or a player that doesn't get along with the media and that does NOT equate for the large percentage of fans who love that player.

this isnt this case. i live here. i have friends in media. i have friends who are season ticket holders. i go to the games, i see it.

Speaking as a season ticket holder for years- you’re wrong and you can continue to say it over and over again but it doesn’t make you right. It’s a trend in many of your posts when it comes to the Celtics and particularly kyrie- a lot of sizzle but no steak. Lots of words but no substance.

You are right that there is animosity directed at ray Allen but it has subsided some and even if it was as strong as it was when he left- that doesn’t make your point right. It’s an exception to the rule and it makes my point that there are always players or coaches or gm’s that a fan base rallies against (wrongly or rightly) and it doesn’t warrant enough criticism to paint the whole fan base negatively with a broad brush like you do.

Playing armchair fan psychiatrist I think you let your experiences with the fan base and the fact that you lived in the city make you think your some authority or some fan ambassador for the entire fan base and it’s fans and the media coverages of the team- it doesn’t.

While my experiences don’t make me any more right or wrong then your posts- I have the ability to separate my opinion and what I’ve read on realgm or experiences I’ve had with a small population of fans from reality. You should try it.

you say im wrong.. go on to describe exactly what i said confirming it, then say im biased, when you are the one who is a fan of the team and cant handle the reality.

also, 100% of what i said about Kyrie has been true. even when you and the rest of the realGM celtics group called me a moron for saying 0.0% chance he stays and even when i pointed out kyries words in the offseason/ST meeting was just lip service.

but hey, i guess i guess you can continue to be the psychiatrist and ill just continue having everythign i say on the matter come to fruition

[Prokorov]

Nets fans will discover the truth soon enough. No point in spelling it out for them, because they are not ready to listen.

First time they’re relevant in a while and they use it as a crutch to try to get back at a fanbase for what Ainge did to King. It’s amusing.

Nets fans have no ill will towards boston for that trade... all our hate was directed towards billy king and most realize that the trade at the time made some sense and it took a ton of bad luck for that trade to end up as bad as it did.

-We were a capped out 49 win team locked into its core players on 4 year contracts (Dwill/Johnson/Lopez).
-We had ZERO at SF/PF. no shooting and no defense. we replaced a 40 year old stackhouse/brokendown wallace with Pierce/Terry
-We replaced Evans with KG

on paper that should have had us fringe contend in the east, given it was so weak outside miami. Even if we didnt, we had Deron, Johnson, and Lopez core which should have kept us at .500+/playoffs in a weak east where pick swaps dont convey and the picks we did owe are in the 20s.

Instead, Deron williams went from all-star to jarret jacks backup, in his prime/late 20s, without major injury. Brook lopez never improved (regressed) and joe johnson couldnt carry them alone. Nets were a mess, fired king and rebuilt. it made our picks high lotto instead.

That wasnt even really the worst trade under king. Trading a lottery pick for a 3 month rental of gerald wallace (only to massively overpay him in FA) in the AD draft was much much worse. and it cost us an extra pick to dump wallace in that boston trade

in either event, nets fans have no ill will with the celtics although some hold a real grudge with realGM boston fans over them cheering injury in their "nets pick watch thread"

I personally have no gripe. class organization and the atmosphere is great. i loved pierce and kyrie and enjoyed rooting for them when it wasnt vs the nets

[MagicBagley18]

I lived in boston (still do) and was on this site too. it pretty unanimous dragging through the med by media and fans alike toward the end of rondos tenure and during his departure.



No fans have and still dump on ray allen.



this isnt this case. i live here. i have friends in media. i have friends who are season ticket holders. i go to the games, i see it.

Speaking as a season ticket holder for years- you’re wrong and you can continue to say it over and over again but it doesn’t make you right. It’s a trend in many of your posts when it comes to the Celtics and particularly kyrie- a lot of sizzle but no steak. Lots of words but no substance.

You are right that there is animosity directed at ray Allen but it has subsided some and even if it was as strong as it was when he left- that doesn’t make your point right. It’s an exception to the rule and it makes my point that there are always players or coaches or gm’s that a fan base rallies against (wrongly or rightly) and it doesn’t warrant enough criticism to paint the whole fan base negatively with a broad brush like you do.

Playing armchair fan psychiatrist I think you let your experiences with the fan base and the fact that you lived in the city make you think your some authority or some fan ambassador for the entire fan base and it’s fans and the media coverages of the team- it doesn’t.

While my experiences don’t make me any more right or wrong then your posts- I have the ability to separate my opinion and what I’ve read on realgm or experiences I’ve had with a small population of fans from reality. You should try it.

you say im wrong.. go on to describe exactly what i said confirming it, then say im biased, when you are the one who is a fan of the team and cant handle the reality.

also, 100% of what i said about Kyrie has been true. even when you and the rest of the realGM celtics group called me a moron for saying 0.0% chance he stays and even when i pointed out kyries words in the offseason/ST meeting was just lip service.

but hey, i guess i guess you can continue to be the psychiatrist and ill just continue having everythign i say on the matter come to fruition

I never said he was staying, so again stop with lumping me in with a fan base and lumping in a fan base with your opinions or your experiences with a segment of Celtics fans or experiences living there. I have confirmed nothing of what you said as true other than acknowledging that ray Allen was vilified- you said look at all the players that have left Boston and how they were treated (badly by your opinion) and it’s not true. Flat out wrong.

You speak as if you are an authority on the Celtics locker room (you aren’t ) or you broke news (you didn’t ) or you’re a source for realgm posters on the pulse of all of Boston and it’s fanbase (you’re not )
I’m no authority either but You predicted that kyrie would leave- so did most of the mainstream media. Congrats on your big scoop.

Stephen a said it, nick wright said it, windhorst, on and on and on- this doesn’t make you some plugged in source. It makes you capable of regurgitating opinions others actually report and running with it like your own because you have 3rd and 4th hand kyrie information based off Someone in his circle from AAU days from what I gather off the Celtics board.

In terms of reality what can’t I handle? That the media for Boston like many major cities is tough? (What a genius revelation) Even more so in Boston because of past team success (and Red Sox and pats success) which sets the bar higher? That they have a passionate fan base? (Shocking) That kyrie left and didn’t like living in Boston or being with young players?

I concede all that to you. It still doesn’t make what you’re saying fact and it doesn’t allow you to cast the ENTIRE fan base and city and people who attend they’re games as a barometer for everyone whose in the media or rooting for them. I also don’t hold the entire nets fanbase personal for a few bad apples or dopes.

[INKtastic]

First figure out why Kyrie ran away from LeBron. Leaving Tatum and Brown is irrelevant compared to doing that.

[Not2BeBothered]

Because he is a coward afraid to see some kids getting more attention than him.

No risk with Dinwiddie or Joe Harris...

Y’all better start putting some respect on Joe Harris name. Dinwiddie/Harris put up better numbers than Tatum/Brown, Harris is a better off ball player than anyone on the Celtics. Nets have a brighter future than the Celtics. And Kyrie was red out of Cleveland, doesn’t mean he wanted Boston. He chose Brooklyn

[random_hero891]

He spent all this money on a really realistic Robin costume, he spent a few seasons insisting he was Batman, but he feels more comfortable being the 2nd best player on a team because he lacks leadership qualities needed to be in the Justice league, teen titan for life.

[Ugly Duckling]

Tatum and Brown are/were highly overrated.

Tatum is a bit over-rated. I think Brown is actually under-rated.

This guy knows. Kyrie knew Brown was better than him and that it was only a matter of time before the rest of world found out

[JonFromVA]

Jayson Tatum was considered a present/future superstar at 19, and Jaylen Brown is seen as a future multiple All-Star. Why would Kyrie leave a situation like that?

And LeBron James was considered one of the greatest to ever play the game. He was reportedly miserable while in the process of helping win a championship. Were you expecting Kyrie's decisions to make some sort of sense to other people?

All we know is Irving has been interested in playing closer to home (New Jersey) for a long time, and the Nets gave him that chance.

[Prokorov]

Speaking as a season ticket holder for years- you’re wrong and you can continue to say it over and over again but it doesn’t make you right. It’s a trend in many of your posts when it comes to the Celtics and particularly kyrie- a lot of sizzle but no steak. Lots of words but no substance.

You are right that there is animosity directed at ray Allen but it has subsided some and even if it was as strong as it was when he left- that doesn’t make your point right. It’s an exception to the rule and it makes my point that there are always players or coaches or gm’s that a fan base rallies against (wrongly or rightly) and it doesn’t warrant enough criticism to paint the whole fan base negatively with a broad brush like you do.

Playing armchair fan psychiatrist I think you let your experiences with the fan base and the fact that you lived in the city make you think your some authority or some fan ambassador for the entire fan base and it’s fans and the media coverages of the team- it doesn’t.

While my experiences don’t make me any more right or wrong then your posts- I have the ability to separate my opinion and what I’ve read on realgm or experiences I’ve had with a small population of fans from reality. You should try it.

you say im wrong.. go on to describe exactly what i said confirming it, then say im biased, when you are the one who is a fan of the team and cant handle the reality.

also, 100% of what i said about Kyrie has been true. even when you and the rest of the realGM celtics group called me a moron for saying 0.0% chance he stays and even when i pointed out kyries words in the offseason/ST meeting was just lip service.

but hey, i guess i guess you can continue to be the psychiatrist and ill just continue having everythign i say on the matter come to fruition

I never said he was staying, so again stop with lumping me in with a fan base and lumping in a fan base with your opinions or your experiences with a segment of Celtics fans or experiences living there. I have confirmed nothing of what you said as true other than acknowledging that ray Allen was vilified- you said look at all the players that have left Boston and how they were treated (badly by your opinion) and it’s not true. Flat out wrong.

You speak as if you are an authority on the Celtics locker room (you aren’t ) or you broke news (you didn’t ) or you’re a source for realgm posters on the pulse of all of Boston and it’s fanbase (you’re not )
I’m no authority either but You predicted that kyrie would leave- so did most of the mainstream media. Congrats on your big scoop.

Stephen a said it, nick wright said it, windhorst, on and on and on- this doesn’t make you some plugged in source. It makes you capable of regurgitating opinions others actually report and running with it like your own because you have 3rd and 4th hand kyrie information based off Someone in his circle from AAU days from what I gather off the Celtics board.

In terms of reality what can’t I handle? That the media for Boston like many major cities is tough? (What a genius revelation) Even more so in Boston because of past team success (and Red Sox and pats success) which sets the bar higher? That they have a passionate fan base? (Shocking) That kyrie left and didn’t like living in Boston or being with young players?

I concede all that to you. It still doesn’t make what you’re saying fact and it doesn’t allow you to cast the ENTIRE fan base and city and people who attend they’re games as a barometer for everyone whose in the media or rooting for them. I also don’t hold the entire nets fanbase personal for a few bad apples or dopes.

its more then "a few bad apples" its the media... all the major players. mcadams, felger, mazz, shaugnessey, rich, big o, keefe, jones, bertrand, murray macmullin....

the fans who attend the games, the fans who call into the radio, the fans who watch the games in bars around the city. unless 100% of the fans who stay at home, watch and chime in nowhere else are all super supportive then im pretty spot on. Also, allen was the exception, he is more the rule. and it isnt just the celtics. bruins and redsox too. pats less so, but more because they dont really have many big names other then brady whose been there for 100 years.

maybe im generalizing realgm C's fans and projecting that on to you. but the majority refuse to move beyond bias. it similar to the "is boston racist" conversations that kept getting locked despite me speaking extremely intelligently on the matter and providing sources and resources to move the discussion forward... including the globes spotlight look into the very question is bostons racist reputation fair.