The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[CharlesOakley]

We drafted a guy as a 3-5 year project. We are entering year 3.

Nothing would make me happier than developing a defensive identity. We have two cornerstone defensive pieces. We should use them.

[Knicks Byke]

how's our scrub doing?

[HarthorneWingo]

I agree Phil should have been canned, but Mills would have made the pick. Probably DSJ anyway, who has been a negative player as well. Or worse, Mills made 1 move on his solo creep and he had to dig his way out of it by trading a 21 year old All Star.

The triangle narrative is fake news BS, Frank's ceiling comp is Ron Harper or whatever is a better take. The NY Post would have you believe Frank was running triangle in France, he's never played it in his young life.

As for not standing still, I agree but then why stand still for re-tread failures like Mudiay and Payton? Play these picks 30-40 minutes and see if they develop. Fire your **** coaches if they can't bring player development to any of them. We are losing 60 games if you and me start, so why not start the players you have a SUNK COST in and see if you can develop them instead of bringing in Perry's Greatest Hits from his other **** drafts? It's more Dolan / Mills / Perry ... Cronyism.

Frank was brought in to be a pass first defensive guard. Phil was trying to implement the triangle here. He drafted Frank. He was fired soon after. The triangle is gone. Fiz seems to want offensive PGs to drive/pentrate and score or kick out...or shoot open shots. Things Frank has been hesitant and bad at so far.

I do think Frank is not viewed as important to what's going on. So...he better play his way into the fold.

It was a bad pick no matter what because you don’t draft a defense first pass first type of guy that high in the draft. Especially not at guard/wing.

I believe that while Frank was drafted with the idea that while he was a project offensively, there was reason to believe that he would be at least adequate. He’s a bit of a project but wasn’t served well, developmentally, by the coaching staffs. His shooting mechanics are better than both DSJ and Payton.

[vallen]

how's our scrub doing?

He sucks pretty bad. If u cant shoot in school, euro league, 2 years in the NBA, its doubtful that anything changes now. This thread is just to kinda come in and say.....


Frank

[Jalen Bluntson]

Frank was brought in to be a pass first defensive guard. Phil was trying to implement the triangle here. He drafted Frank. He was fired soon after. The triangle is gone. Fiz seems to want offensive PGs to drive/pentrate and score or kick out...or shoot open shots. Things Frank has been hesitant and bad at so far.

I do think Frank is not viewed as important to what's going on. So...he better play his way into the fold.

It was a bad pick no matter what because you don’t draft a defense first pass first type of guy that high in the draft. Especially not at guard/wing.

I believe that while Frank was
drafted with the idea that while he was a project offensively, there was reason to believe that he would be at least adequate. He’s a bit of a project but wasn’t served well, developmentally, by the coaching staffs. His shooting mechanics are better than both DSJ and Payton.

Knicks fans acting like they know what a PG actually looks like!!

[MaseInYourFace]

Frank was brought in to be a pass first defensive guard. Phil was trying to implement the triangle here. He drafted Frank. He was fired soon after. The triangle is gone. Fiz seems to want offensive PGs to drive/pentrate and score or kick out...or shoot open shots. Things Frank has been hesitant and bad at so far.

I do think Frank is not viewed as important to what's going on. So...he better play his way into the fold.

It was a bad pick no matter what because you don’t draft a defense first pass first type of guy that high in the draft. Especially not at guard/wing.

I believe that while Frank was drafted with the idea that while he was a project offensively, there was reason to believe that he would be at least adequate. He’s a bit of a project but wasn’t served well, developmentally, by the coaching staffs. His shooting mechanics are better than both DSJ and Payton.

Bit of a project? Frank hasn’t really locked down an NBA position. He’s a full out project IMO. He appears to lack the burst and overall PG skills (note: areas where he’s significantly behind Payton and DSJ) needed to play a modern NBA point. I think that’s been the main issue from development standpoint with Frank. They tried him at PG for possibly too long but I think they were hoping to maximize his value.

You are right about his shot but he’s been very inconsistent with it. However, his size, wingspan, body frame, attitude and IQ on D, along with his shot mechanics still make him a potentially enticing 3 & D combo/wing.

[MaseInYourFace]

:cry:

It was a bad pick no matter what because you don’t draft a defense first pass first type of guy that high in the draft. Especially not at guard/wing.

I believe that while Frank was
drafted with the idea that while he was a project offensively, there was reason to believe that he would be at least adequate. He’s a bit of a project but wasn’t served well, developmentally, by the coaching staffs. His shooting mechanics are better than both DSJ and Payton.

Knicks fans acting like they know what a PG actually looks like!!

I know enough to see Frank can’t play it in nba in 2019. Anyone who is still not seeing that is in denial.

[Clyde_Style]

:cry:

I believe that while Frank was
drafted with the idea that while he was a project offensively, there was reason to believe that he would be at least adequate. He’s a bit of a project but wasn’t served well, developmentally, by the coaching staffs. His shooting mechanics are better than both DSJ and Payton.

Knicks fans acting like they know what a PG actually looks like!!

I know enough to see Frank can’t play it in nba in 2019. Anyone who is still not seeing that is in denial.

He'd be some kind of hybrid, but his instincts as a primary PG may just not be there. You really have to be more of a killer to run a team. I'm still looking to DSJr to bring that vibe.

However, what I do see is the possibility Frank's decision making will start to speed up due to understanding the game and making good reads. In that sense then, he can still generate a fair amount of assists without being the primary ball handler. But that has to mean more than parking himself in the corner on offense.

Again, I do think Frank is dependent on a coach who understands how to use him. If he is able to be part of an active motion offense with plenty of off the ball movement, screens and double screens, Frank can be an effective part of a ball sequence whether or not he is the one who gets credit for an assist.

Like a lot of people I don't enjoy seeing him throw the ball to someone laterally at the top of the key for lack of any ideas. That also has led to lazy passes that gets picked off.

However, when he plays in actual PnR situations he is often quite good and usually does a good job at delivering the ball to the roller.

So I do think it is more than saying Frank needs to kill or be killed to get playing time. It does matter whether or not Fiz can coach. I'm concerned that he can't in which case Frank can be lost and forgotten.

[MaseInYourFace]

:cry:

Knicks fans acting like they know what a PG actually looks like!!

I know enough to see Frank can’t play it in nba in 2019. Anyone who is still not seeing that is in denial.

He'd be some kind of hybrid, but his instincts as a primary PG may just not be there. You really have to be more of a killer to run a team. I'm still looking to DSJr to bring that vibe.

However, what I do see is the possibility Frank's decision making will start to speed up due to understanding the game and making good reads. In that sense then, he can still generate a fair amount of assists without being the primary ball handler. But that has to mean more than parking himself in the corner on offense.

Again, I do think Frank is dependent on a coach who understands how to use him. If he is able to be part of an active motion offense with plenty of off the ball movement, screens and double screens, Frank can be an effective part of a ball sequence whether or not he is the one who gets credit for an assist.

Like a lot of people I don't enjoy seeing him throw the ball to someone laterally at the top of the key for lack of any ideas. That also has led to lazy passes that gets picked off.

However, when he plays in actual PnR situations he is often quite good and usually does a good job at delivering the ball to the roller.

So I do think it is more than saying Frank needs to kill or be killed to get playing time. It does matter whether or not Fiz can coach. I'm concerned that he can't in which case Frank can be lost and forgotten.

Valid. Knicks didn’t run enough pick and roll with Fizdale. However, keep in mind an effective P&R relies on the defense respecting the ballhandlers offense.

[god shammgod]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

[King of Canada]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

And that's all on him. He needs to win that spot. If he doesn't want it or isn't good enough to win it, he doesn't deserve his contract. He should certainly get some burn alongside DSJ early in the season, but either way if he doesn't ball out he might not be an NBA player.

Also - this is the future of the NBA, just like back when high schoolers were allowed. When they were in the past there were tons of Frank-like picks that were made entirely on what might or might not happen in x number of years.

[god shammgod]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

And that's all on him. He needs to win that spot. If he doesn't want it or isn't good enough to win it, he doesn't deserve his contract. He should certainly get some burn alongside DSJ early in the season, but either way if he doesn't ball out he might not be an NBA player.

Also - this is the future of the NBA, just like back when high schoolers were allowed. When they were in the past there were tons of Frank-like picks that were made entirely on what might or might not happen in x number of years.

as a shooting guard ? you got rj, trier, dotson, ellington. there's just nowhere for him. he'd have to beat out one of dsj or payton so bad that they're forced to bench or move one of them. and that aint happening.

[ChaosHamster]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

Team is really thin on the wing. Morris hasn't been playing SF for two season and the question is still unanswered can he even guard others teams ball-handling/scoring wings full time. And there is, Knox, lol.

Frank should be getting minutes at SF.

[god shammgod]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

Team is really thin on the wing. Morris hasn't been playing SF for two season and the question is still unanswered can he even guard others teams ball-handling/scoring wings full time. And there is, Knox, lol.

Frank should be getting minutes at SF.

morris has to play there because the 4 is too crowded. and if knox isn't good enough they'll move one of those twos to be the backup 3. bullock is back eventually too which makes the 2 even more crowded. if you rate the players on who should play based on ability/contract, frank is the 13th to 15th man. if iggy's summer league showing was for real, he should play over him too.

[Stannis]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

And that's all on him. He needs to win that spot. If he doesn't want it or isn't good enough to win it, he doesn't deserve his contract. He should certainly get some burn alongside DSJ early in the season, but either way if he doesn't ball out he might not be an NBA player.

I'm hoping Ntilikina feels "insulted" and goes insane and breaks his wall of shyness. I think that's what lot of other players in his situation would do. After watching his summer in France videos, I'm not holding my breath though.

It just doesn't seem like he has the mentality. Like he knows he doesn't deserve a starting spot, and he's ok with that. He's just wants to play 10 minutes a game and just do the little things. Unfortunately for us, that's what the 2nd round is for.

[Zenzibar]

New York Knicks: Frank Ntilikina’s impressive defensive rating in France

written by Mikey Murphy August 23, 2019 https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/new-york-knicks-frank-ntilikinas-impressive-defensive-rating-in-france/

New York Knicks point guard Frank Ntilikina is steadily improving his overall game overseas with France in five preparation games before they begin competing for medals.

Ntilikina so far has an impressive defensive rating of 66.1 in five preparation games. From the looks of it, Ntilikina is adapting and gaining confidence with his teammates. Rudy Gobert and Nicolas Batum rave about the talent Ntilikina possesses. It’s just a matter of grooming his game and putting everything together. He has the early makings of a solid two-way glue player for the Knicks moving forward.

Even though the game is played slightly different overseas, this kind of experience for Frank is priceless. This is what Ntilikina needs the most, and that is reps and playing time, plus it doesn’t hurt playing with actual NBA vets on the French team.

This opportunity also displays how the French coach uses Frank Ntilikina in different basketball situations. If you’re curious about how Frank is used with the French team, you should watch the highlights.

Ntilikina is playing superb basketball in France, either he is getting steals, deflections and taking charges, or offensively setting the table for teammates. He’s playing high IQ basketball, and it’s leading to wins so far for the French team. Can Ntilikina bring this style of playback to New York? That remains to be seen, ladies and gentlemen.

[ChaosHamster]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

Team is really thin on the wing. Morris hasn't been playing SF for two season and the question is still unanswered can he even guard others teams ball-handling/scoring wings full time. And there is, Knox, lol.

Frank should be getting minutes at SF.

morris has to play there because the 4 is too crowded. and if knox isn't good enough they'll move one of those twos to be the backup 3. bullock is back eventually too which makes the 2 even more crowded. if you rate the players on who should play based on ability/contract frank is the 13th to 15th man. if iggy's summer league showing was for real, he should play over him too.

Nah, I agree PG and SG are crowded. Thats why I said Fiz should look at Frank as a SF. He has size, and can defend the position. Just let him be the 3rd string SF behind Morris and Knox at the beginning of the year and see how it goes.

And ultimately, I think there will be enough moments during a year when offense either isn't working at all, all guards are missing shots, or its okay, but defense is so trash that we still losing by 20, so Fiz will not have a choice to add some defense spark, AND HERE COMES FRANK!

[CharlesOakley]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

And that's all on him. He needs to win that spot. If he doesn't want it or isn't good enough to win it, he doesn't deserve his contract. He should certainly get some burn alongside DSJ early in the season, but either way if he doesn't ball out he might not be an NBA player.

Also - this is the future of the NBA, just like back when high schoolers were allowed. When they were in the past there were tons of Frank-like picks that were made entirely on what might or might not happen in x number of years.

Last year, we invested heavily in Mudiay, even though we knew he wasn't going to be here this season. This year, we'll be investing heavily in Payton, even though he won't be here in a year. Frank will be glued to the bench, while Knox, RJ, Trier and DS Jr will be allowed to chuck at will.

We could have seasoned Frank in the G-league for two years but this is our "plan".

[iLLmatic860]

To those who want Frank as a PG. How bout a point foward

[King of Canada]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

And that's all on him. He needs to win that spot. If he doesn't want it or isn't good enough to win it, he doesn't deserve his contract. He should certainly get some burn alongside DSJ early in the season, but either way if he doesn't ball out he might not be an NBA player.

Also - this is the future of the NBA, just like back when high schoolers were allowed. When they were in the past there were tons of Frank-like picks that were made entirely on what might or might not happen in x number of years.

Last year, we invested heavily in Mudiay, even though we knew he wasn't going to be here this season. This year, we'll be investing heavily in Payton, even though he won't be here in a year. Frank will be glued to the bench, while Knox, RJ, Trier and DS Jr will be allowed to chuck at will.

We could have seasoned Frank in the G-league for two years but this is our "plan".

I agree 100% about that. Frank should have been in the g league from day one. We would have known one way or the other a long time ago what he's worth.