RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#25 2019-20

[Roddy B for 3]

Chris Paul RPM by year
2014: #2
2015: #7
2016: #3
2017: #2
2018: #1
2019: #12

Donovan Mitchell RPM by year
2018: #50
2019: #52

Paul without Harden per 36: 23/5/13 on .584 TS%, +10.4 NetRtg
Mitchell as #1 in Utah per 36: 25/4/5 on .537 TS%, +6.6 NetRtg

Playoff stats last season
Paul: 17/5/6 on .557 TS%, 17.6 PER, .132 WS/48, 4.2 BPM
Mitchell: 21/5/3 on .423 TS%, 6.8 PER, -.120 WS/48, -6.0 BPM

Cp3 played in 60 games last year and your using his numbers in a cherry picked fashion. Wheas Donovan your just using his straightup stats.

C'mon man.

The best ability is? AVAILability availability?

Even in cumulative regular season stats that account for minutes played, Paul still wins.

Paul: 6.6 WS, 2.4 VORP, 9.17 RPM wins
Mitchell: 5.0 WS, 1.7 VORP, 8.70 RPM wins

And Paul's a much, much better individual defender and much, much better postseason performer who's going to look even better when he's out of James Harden's shadow.

You think 58 games of Cp3 > 77 games of Donovan Mitchell?

[babyjax13]

Chris Paul RPM by year
2014: #2
2015: #7
2016: #3
2017: #2
2018: #1
2019: #12

Donovan Mitchell RPM by year
2018: #50
2019: #52

Paul without Harden per 36: 23/5/13 on .584 TS%, +10.4 NetRtg
Mitchell as #1 in Utah per 36: 25/4/5 on .537 TS%, +6.6 NetRtg

Playoff stats last season
Paul: 17/5/6 on .557 TS%, 17.6 PER, .132 WS/48, 4.2 BPM
Mitchell: 21/5/3 on .423 TS%, 6.8 PER, -.120 WS/48, -6.0 BPM

Cp3 played in 60 games last year and your using his numbers in a cherry picked fashion. Wheas Donovan your just using his straightup stats.

C'mon man.

The best ability is? AVAILability availability?

Even in cumulative regular season stats that account for minutes played, Paul still wins.

Paul: 6.6 WS, 2.4 VORP, 9.17 RPM wins
Mitchell: 5.0 WS, 1.7 VORP, 8.70 RPM wins

And Paul's a much, much better individual defender and much, much better postseason performer who's going to look even better when he's out of James Harden's shadow.

Mitchell was hurt to start the season (couldn't do full workouts during the offseason). He was much, much better January - end than he was October-December. But Paul definitely was the more impactful player when on the floor last season. The question is, will he be next season? Considering how good Mitchell was when healthy + the additional spacing he is going to have, I'd predict that he will have a better season and Paul will probably continue tailing off a bit (he will still be good, but will also miss significant time). Picking Paul over Mitchell doesn't seem crazy to me, but I also think the pendulum has swung waaaayyyy too far the other way against Mitchell in these threads. Not sure how much stock to put in the playoffs...other than Rudy and Favors, everyone was just horrific on our team.

[mademan]

Games played has been weird in this thread. somehow Kawhi got 1st,even though he played only 60ish games this year and is seemingly going to stay on that 'maintenance' plan

[iggymcfrack]

Cp3 played in 60 games last year and your using his numbers in a cherry picked fashion. Wheas Donovan your just using his straightup stats.

C'mon man.

The best ability is? AVAILability availability?

Even in cumulative regular season stats that account for minutes played, Paul still wins.

Paul: 6.6 WS, 2.4 VORP, 9.17 RPM wins
Mitchell: 5.0 WS, 1.7 VORP, 8.70 RPM wins

And Paul's a much, much better individual defender and much, much better postseason performer who's going to look even better when he's out of James Harden's shadow.

You think 58 games of Cp3 > 77 games of Donovan Mitchell?

I think it's pretty close in terms of regular season value. I also think I'd much rather have Paul in the playoffs in that scenario since there's a better than 58/77 chance that Paul will stay healthy through the playoffs when he's not just taking time off for every minor injury to save himself for the games that matter and he gives your team a much higher ceiling when he does play.

[THE J0KER]

Why is Donovan Mitchell blacklisted in this TOP25 voting?

If voting continues, I nominate Jamal Murray

[Roddy B for 3]

Even in cumulative regular season stats that account for minutes played, Paul still wins.

Paul: 6.6 WS, 2.4 VORP, 9.17 RPM wins
Mitchell: 5.0 WS, 1.7 VORP, 8.70 RPM wins

And Paul's a much, much better individual defender and much, much better postseason performer who's going to look even better when he's out of James Harden's shadow.

You think 58 games of Cp3 > 77 games of Donovan Mitchell?

I think it's pretty close in terms of regular season value. I also think I'd much rather have Paul in the playoffs in that scenario since there's a better than 58/77 chance that Paul will stay healthy through the playoffs when he's not just taking time off for every minor injury to save himself for the games that matter and he gives your team a much higher ceiling when he does play.

I'd be better at my job if I worked 3 days a week instead of 5 too.

Chris Paul not staying healthy in the postseason is one of the biggest knocks on his career.

I think 19/30 teams would be better adding Mitchell instead of Paul and 11/30 would be better with Paul than Mitchell.

I don't mean to come of as a CP3 hater. I'm just trying to say he misses alot of games. Plays a position with high replacement value. Has a "super role player" skill set.

Donovan is, in my opinion, a tier 2 #1 scorer (which I see as a more valuable skill set). Donovan has been an iron man so far in his young NBA career. And plays a position with less depth league wide.

Do you think more than half of the teams on the NBA would prefer CP3 for next year only over Donovan Mitchell?

[iggymcfrack]

You think 58 games of Cp3 > 77 games of Donovan Mitchell?

I think it's pretty close in terms of regular season value. I also think I'd much rather have Paul in the playoffs in that scenario since there's a better than 58/77 chance that Paul will stay healthy through the playoffs when he's not just taking time off for every minor injury to save himself for the games that matter and he gives your team a much higher ceiling when he does play.

I'd be better at my job if I worked 3 days a week instead of 5 too.

Chris Paul not staying healthy in the postseason is one of the biggest knocks on his career.

I think 19/30 teams would be better adding Mitchell instead of Paul and 11/30 would be better with Paul than Mitchell.

I don't mean to come of as a CP3 hater. I'm just trying to say he misses alot of games. Plays a position with high replacement value. Has a "super role player" skill set.

Donovan is, in my opinion, a tier 2 #1 scorer (which I see as a more valuable skill set). Donovan has been an iron man so far in his young NBA career. And plays a position with less depth league wide.

Do you think more than half of the teams on the NBA would prefer CP3 for next year only over Donovan Mitchell?

I’d say on teams contending for a championship, Paul >>> Mitchell

On teams fighting for the 8 seed, Mitchell > Paul

On teams that are gonna be in the lottery anyway, they’re the same because those teams don’t care about next year anyway. If you wanna say the Knicks would win 28 games with Mitchell and 26 with Paul, OK great, but I don’t really think that’s super relevant to who the better player is.

[pootbrah]

Hahaha I changed my vote from McCollum to Simmons when he beat out Mitchell by one vote and now Mitchell ain't even gonna get voted in. Love it.

[pootbrah]

I vote for DAngelo Russel for 25 spot tbh actually

[Roddy B for 3]

I think it's pretty close in terms of regular season value. I also think I'd much rather have Paul in the playoffs in that scenario since there's a better than 58/77 chance that Paul will stay healthy through the playoffs when he's not just taking time off for every minor injury to save himself for the games that matter and he gives your team a much higher ceiling when he does play.

I'd be better at my job if I worked 3 days a week instead of 5 too.

Chris Paul not staying healthy in the postseason is one of the biggest knocks on his career.

I think 19/30 teams would be better adding Mitchell instead of Paul and 11/30 would be better with Paul than Mitchell.

I don't mean to come of as a CP3 hater. I'm just trying to say he misses alot of games. Plays a position with high replacement value. Has a "super role player" skill set.

Donovan is, in my opinion, a tier 2 #1 scorer (which I see as a more valuable skill set). Donovan has been an iron man so far in his young NBA career. And plays a position with less depth league wide.

Do you think more than half of the teams on the NBA would prefer CP3 for next year only over Donovan Mitchell?

I’d say on teams contending for a championship, Paul >>> Mitchell

On teams fighting for the 8 seed, Mitchell > Paul

On teams that are gonna be in the lottery anyway, they’re the same because those teams don’t care about next year anyway. If you wanna say the Knicks would win 28 games with Mitchell and 26 with Paul, OK great, but I don’t really think that’s super relevant to who the better player is.

You'd rather have CP3 on Portland, Utah, Golden State, LAL, LAC, Houston, Milwaukee and Philadelphia?

[iggymcfrack]

I'd be better at my job if I worked 3 days a week instead of 5 too.

Chris Paul not staying healthy in the postseason is one of the biggest knocks on his career.

I think 19/30 teams would be better adding Mitchell instead of Paul and 11/30 would be better with Paul than Mitchell.

I don't mean to come of as a CP3 hater. I'm just trying to say he misses alot of games. Plays a position with high replacement value. Has a "super role player" skill set.

Donovan is, in my opinion, a tier 2 #1 scorer (which I see as a more valuable skill set). Donovan has been an iron man so far in his young NBA career. And plays a position with less depth league wide.

Do you think more than half of the teams on the NBA would prefer CP3 for next year only over Donovan Mitchell?

I’d say on teams contending for a championship, Paul >>> Mitchell

On teams fighting for the 8 seed, Mitchell > Paul

On teams that are gonna be in the lottery anyway, they’re the same because those teams don’t care about next year anyway. If you wanna say the Knicks would win 28 games with Mitchell and 26 with Paul, OK great, but I don’t really think that’s super relevant to who the better player is.

You'd rather have CP3 on Portland, Utah, Golden State, LAL, LAC, Houston, Milwaukee and Philadelphia?

Utah's close. Definitely to all the others. Would also include Denver as a potential contender.

[Roddy B for 3]

I’d say on teams contending for a championship, Paul >>> Mitchell

On teams fighting for the 8 seed, Mitchell > Paul

On teams that are gonna be in the lottery anyway, they’re the same because those teams don’t care about next year anyway. If you wanna say the Knicks would win 28 games with Mitchell and 26 with Paul, OK great, but I don’t really think that’s super relevant to who the better player is.

You'd rather have CP3 on Portland, Utah, Golden State, LAL, LAC, Houston, Milwaukee and Philadelphia?

Utah's close. Definitely to all the others. Would also include Denver as a potential contender.

I disagree.

[Scatocephalus]

The Mitchell hate is strong on this board.

[Duffman100]

After Pascal and Lowry I'm assuming Gasol will get this #25 spot.

Or maybe it's possible that a championship team had multiple players in the top 25. Crazy thing I know.

[PG24]

I wish everyone would have voted for Durant here.

[cellphonecamera]

Nominate Drummond

[Roddy B for 3]

After Pascal and Lowry I'm assuming Gasol will get this #25 spot.

Or maybe it's possible that a championship team had multiple players in the top 25. Crazy thing I know.

Or maybe they had a top 3 guy and two 25-40 guys as well as a deep well fitting roster? Maybe they were a buzzer beater in a game 7 away from losing in the 2nd round? Maybe they would have lost to GSW even without KD if Klay didn't get hurt?

Drummond, Porzingis or Booker > Pascal or Lowry imo

[Bhut Jolokia]

Vote: Spida Mitchell

Nominate: Booker

[GQ Hot Dog]

I'm just glad that Klay got nominated. If KD and Oladipo are good enough to take up a poll spot in futility, so is Klay.

[Sixerscan]

I would vote Conley over Mitchell if we're picking a Jazz (Jazzman? Jazzy?)