Fat Kat wrote:TheScout31 wrote:MaseInYourFace wrote:
Uhh no he doesn’t. Combo at best. I’ll concede he does have SOME PG skills but he’s a big leap away from being an nba point guard.
Yes, he really does. Ability to run PnR, get to his spots on offense/pick his spots, get others involved, actually running set plays = having legit PG skills. Guys like Bowen stand in the corner guys like Pat Bev don't run the PnR. Frank isn't someone who will break you down one on one, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the skills I mentioned - he's proven it time and time again he does. The issue with him is aggressiveness shooting, not lacking PG skills.
Tell me - besides not breaking guys down one on one, what is he missing as a PG? I know the shooting / scoring aggressiveness is an issue, but he's been way more aggressive with France - which IMO is a good sign going forward.
His aggressiveness is inextricably tied to his “PG skills” IMO. Aggression is what keeps defenders honest. Without a respectable shot, passing lanes close up. If he doesn’t drive past his man when pressed, his handle will be tested constantly. The PnR is a staple, and Frank can run it, but he’ll have to have more in his toolbox to be an effective PG.
Beating your man one on one is always an effective way to initiate offense. I like the flashes that I’m seeing on the French team. Hopefully we’ll see more growth in preseason.
This is very fair and I agree.
MaseInYourFace wrote:TheScout31 wrote:MaseInYourFace wrote:
Uhh no he doesn’t. Combo at best. I’ll concede he does have SOME PG skills but he’s a big leap away from being an nba point guard.
Yes, he really does. Ability to run PnR, get to his spots on offense/pick his spots, get others involved, actually running set plays = having legit PG skills. Guys like Bowen stand in the corner guys like Pat Bev don't run the PnR. Frank isn't someone who will break you down one on one, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the skills I mentioned - he's proven it time and time again he does. The issue with him is aggressiveness shooting, not lacking PG skills.
Tell me - besides not breaking guys down one on one, what is he missing as a PG? I know the shooting / scoring aggressiveness is an issue, but he's been way more aggressive with France - which IMO is a good sign going forward.
Being able to run a P &R doesn’t make you a point guard. Any two players can run it. I wouldn’t call Frank a good P&R guy even because he’s not a threat right now. An effective P&R entails having perceived threats that’ll make a defense bite. He’s way more aggressive in France because they’ve been playing the same style for a long time and he’s familiar, and you have to take into account the international game is very different from NBA.
If more players could run a PnR they would. Having the ability to see all three levels and get to spots to shoot is something not "any two players" can do. C'mon...you know that. I know there's more to being a PG than just being able to use screens, which is why I said get to his spots/pick his spots (elbows, showing more burst/aggressiveness getting to the paint w/France so far), getting others involved, actually running set plays...and even controlling tempo - he's always been someone who push hard when he has numbers, kick the ball ahead to beat the defense in transition, or slow it down. Those are skills not every player has, but Frank does.
I know the international game is very different from the NBA, but it doesn't have to be. Look at what successful teams in the NBA do - they run plays. Last year the Knicks ran MAYBE ten plays - drag screens, double drag, double pindown, I think I saw hammer action a couple times, and HORNS (which TBH shouldn't even count considering every team going down to HS runs HORNS). France, and successful NBA teams, run actions BEFORE the screen / have set plays to get set looks. Is Frank more comfortable doing that than isoing / just plain 1-4/5 PnRs? Yes, but that shouldn't be held against him - if anything, it's something that should be held against the coach who isn't putting players in optimal positions to use their talents.
Also, Rondo would disagree with "An effective P&R entails having perceived threats that’ll make a defense bite" - teams know he has no interest in shooting the ball and he is still good running the PnR. Not saying Frank is Rondo...because he's not...but while having an aggressiveness shooting the ball absolutely helps (and I've said as much both on here since he was drafted, on Twitter, and to teams), it's not a be all end all to his impact on his game.
K-DOT wrote:god shammgod wrote:he aint ever gonna play point guard here so it don't really matter how good he is running the pnr or not (for the record though, his point guard skills are very basic). he should have spent all summer just putting up as many 3s as humanely possible. that might have gave him a chance to play.
I think for a SG/SF his playmaking skills are pretty good, but for a PG they're not great. He's a really good PnR passer, but he's a terrible PnR scorer which is what limits his ability to play out of the PnR. If he were even average at the scoring aspect, he'd be so much better
He shouldn't be just a pure 3+D guy, but that's the skillset he needs to work on. He should really try and emulate Batum, if he can do that, he'd be a perfect fit for the core
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This is also very fair and something I agree with.