TMZ: "DeMarcus Cousins Allegedly Threatening to Shoot Baby Mama Before Wedding"

[AbeVigodaLive]

i don't see the correlation here, just because he has a bad relationship with a crazy ex doesn't mean he's not a good father.

The correlation is that he can't control his temper, and you can see that.

says who? can you name me a single incident he had with his child in which he couldn't control his anger?

There was that one time when they were at Walmart. I saw a blurb about it on Pinterest. It's been deleted though.

And as you taught us.... social media tells us everything we know about parenting.

[MrDollarBills]

She most likely recorded it because she knows he will say something like that.

Whether it was wrong or right can be debated but you can't really defend verbal abuse like that. If she has full custody of the kid she is well within her right to keep the kid from going to the wedding.

the fact that she KNOWS he would say something like that in itself speaks volumes about DeMarcus Cousins.

Says volumes about her no matter how much you trying to play Cap'n SAH.....

Grow up, you petulant child.

[MalonesElbows]

A lot of players have no identity without basketball, particularly the one and doner's. Cousins has played very little meaningful basketball the last couple years and may not ever again.

[MrDollarBills]

i'm not capping for anyone, i literally said, multiple times already, that it's bad that he said that and he shouldn't have went that far...but I'm not gonna go as far as you and say he should be banned from the NBA, that's **** ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? He threatened to shoot a woman in her head. I think that warrants a severe punishment.

Sorry but I don't take domestic violence towards women as lightly as you do.

I know a million guys who have made similar statements and would never touch a woman. Unless you have proof of a history of him beating her then this is nothing but frustration

Sounds like you hang out with some real pieces of ****.

[XxIronChainzxX]

She most likely recorded it because she knows he will say something like that. It's no secret that he's a hot head and most likely has a habit of saying abusive things like this.

Whether it was wrong or right can be debated but you can't really defend verbal abuse like that. If she has full custody of the kid she is well within her right to keep the kid from going to the wedding.

if he's paying child support (which he is, and likely paying for her lifestyle on top of it) she has no right to withhold his own child from him.

First, that's not true. I am not a family lawyer but my understanding is that custody and child support are unrelated: you can be obligated to pay child support and spousal support yet not have custody or visitation.

Second, whether or not she was in the wrong to withold access is irrelevant to whether Cousins is morally (or legally) in the right to threaten her.

[clyde21]

Lots of great fathers threaten to shoot their children's mothers in the head. I mean, it's OK if they're "crazy."

yes, lots of great fathers have said stupid stuff in the past in the midst of a heated argument with an ex trying to withhold his own child from him.

sorry not everyone is as perfect as you guys here are on RealGM.

Making death threats isn't "saying stupid stuff". If he cursed her off and hung up the phone no one would care. Him telling her "I'm going to shoot you in your **** ing head" goes well beyond any of that.

It's not about being perfect, it's about being a civilized person. Do you casually make death threats to women you're upset with?

i've never made a death threat to anyone, woman or not, but I've also never been in that situation before where a woman is leveraging and weaponizing my own child against me.

again, he shouldn't have said it, probably should be suspended, but to say he should be banned is going overboard, not sure what you're trying to prove with that.

[clyde21]

She most likely recorded it because she knows he will say something like that. It's no secret that he's a hot head and most likely has a habit of saying abusive things like this.

Whether it was wrong or right can be debated but you can't really defend verbal abuse like that. If she has full custody of the kid she is well within her right to keep the kid from going to the wedding.

if he's paying child support (which he is, and likely paying for her lifestyle on top of it) she has no right to withhold his own child from him.

First, that's not true. I am not a family lawyer but my understanding is that custody and child support are unrelated: you can be obligated to pay child support and spousal support yet not have custody or visitation.

Second, whether or not she was in the wrong to withold access is irrelevant to whether Cousins is morally (or legally) in the right to threaten her.

pretty sure that's not true, if you are paying child support you are guaranteed visitation unless something extraordinary happens where the judge rules otherwise.

https://info.legalzoom.com/rights-fathers-paying-child-support-24388.html

second, no one is saying Cousins was right to threaten her. not sure how many times that needs to be repeated for you to understand.

[ATLTimekeeper]

i don't see the correlation here, just because he has a bad relationship with a crazy ex doesn't mean he's not a good father.

The correlation is that he can't control his temper, and you can see that.

says who? can you name me a single incident he had with his child in which he couldn't control his anger?

I don't have to. His kid is vulnerable to someone that can't control their temper.

[zimpy27]

He has made millions of dollars. He should be able to provide for his family even if he never plays another minute in the NBA.

Adam Silver needs to take a stand here imo. There should be zero tolerance for this.

He's been through 2 years of injury, he's missed his big payday, he's had anger issues, he's threatened violence, he's emotionally hit rock bottom and his a high-profile star in the league.

The big win from all of this is making him a rejuvenation project so he can become a role model to others with anger issues. If you ban him then he may go down a dark path and take his family with him. I'm not talking about money.

You can't just suspend him and bring him back without him dealing with his anger issues. It needs to be about helping him with the anger issues and letting him play as long as he sees people about it and enrols in programs.

If being out of basketball is going to lead him down a dark path it was well going to happen before this was made public.

I agree that he needs to seek counseling for his anger issues. But he has to be the one to make that step for him and his family's sake.

Guys who easily make threats like that are abusers. I really am finding a hard time being empathetic towards him. As I stated in another post, I've had people killed by men who behaved exactly like this and from my personal opinion this isn't a teachable moment, but an opportunity to show that the NBA takes violence against women very seriously and will hold players to account.

I don't think you have to be empathetic for him, my empathy is aligned with their child. Just thinking of the best solution for him.

[Lalouie]

hooo boy. THIS IS GOING TO RESONATE.

i'm pretty sure this seals any chance of this idiot making any comeback on ANY team. even someone like lebron cannot justify this

it also tells me cousins knows he's done

[XxIronChainzxX]

I'm not condoning what the woman has done. But it's interesting how him making a death threat is not much of a big deal to you. would you appreciate it if your father spoke to your mother like that?

His child is now going to grow up knowing that his father threatened to shoot his mother in the head. This is the dude you're caping for???

i'm not capping for anyone, i literally said, multiple times already, that it's bad that he said that and he shouldn't have went that far...but I'm not gonna go as far as you and say he should be banned from the NBA, that's **** ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? He threatened to shoot a woman in her head. I think that warrants a severe punishment.

Sorry but I don't take domestic violence towards women as lightly as you do.

Pivoting from this conversation, I think the severity of the punishment is an interesting question. Does the NBA or the NBPA have a discipline committee? The fair way to deal with the issue would be to have a formal hearing - at the very least Cousins should be able to speak in his own defence and bring to bear the kind of facts that may mitigate the nature of his thread. I also believe in rehabilitation and anger management programs etc. may be helpful. I think it is important in the case of punishment to have a clear path to rehabilitation and reintegration (except when someone does something truly horrible and irreversible).

I'd be curious as to your views.

[clyde21]

The correlation is that he can't control his temper, and you can see that.

says who? can you name me a single incident he had with his child in which he couldn't control his anger?

There was that one time when they were at Walmart. I saw a blurb about it on Pinterest. It's been deleted though.

And as you taught us.... social media tells us everything we know about parenting.

doesn't tell us everything, but it tells us something, certainly more than your ridiculous default position of 'can't assume he's a good dad', which probably has more racial undertones than you actually think.

[MrDollarBills]

i'm not capping for anyone, i literally said, multiple times already, that it's bad that he said that and he shouldn't have went that far...but I'm not gonna go as far as you and say he should be banned from the NBA, that's **** ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? He threatened to shoot a woman in her head. I think that warrants a severe punishment.

Sorry but I don't take domestic violence towards women as lightly as you do.

Pivoting from this conversation, I think the severity of the punishment is an interesting question. Does the NBA or the NBPA have a discipline committee? The fair way to deal with the issue would be to have a formal hearing - at the very least Cousins should be able to speak in his own defence and bring to bear the kind of facts that may mitigate the nature of his thread. I also believe in rehabilitation and anger management programs etc. may be helpful. I think it is important in the case of punishment to have a clear path to rehabilitation and reintegration (except when someone does something truly horrible and irreversible).

I'd be curious as to your views.

I have no problem with what you proposed, or him being set towards a path to rehabilitation. He clearly needs help. But he needs to be put in check, right now.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I heard on The View's online forums that Cousins left the kid alone at home for two days with only one bag of Funyons, a moldy banana and leftover sushi to eat.

One of the posters there even included a photo of the banana, so obviously it's true.

So is it fair to wonder whether the baby mama was justified in her reservations to send the kid out there at the last minute?



[Note: Clyde... I hope this post doesn't also show my racist side. ]

[clyde21]

The correlation is that he can't control his temper, and you can see that.

says who? can you name me a single incident he had with his child in which he couldn't control his anger?

I don't have to. His kid is vulnerable to someone that can't control their temper.

seems to be vulnerable too with a conniving mom that is willing to use him for her own agenda.

and plenty of dads are **** towards their exes but are good with their kids, gtfo. it's a completely different dynamic.

[TheDiesel36]

Wasnt there an American reporter a few days back threatening to beat the **** out of some random guy caught on tape? I wonder what happened to him..
I mostly agree with Clyde, but Cousins should have known better, if she is capable of pulling stunts like that, he should have put the phone down and punch a door or smth and keep it private..

[AbeVigodaLive]

says who? can you name me a single incident he had with his child in which he couldn't control his anger?

There was that one time when they were at Walmart. I saw a blurb about it on Pinterest. It's been deleted though.

And as you taught us.... social media tells us everything we know about parenting.

doesn't tell us everything, but it tells us something, certainly more than your ridiculous default position of 'can't assume he's a good dad', which probably has more racial undertones than you actually think.

I don't assume anybody I don't know is a "great dad." Or great person. Or any of that. I mock people who insist they know anybody they haven't met. There are literally hundreds, thousands of examples that we can point to about incidents behind closed doors.

Furthermore, there are a lot of idiots in the world. And, there are terrible parents all over the place, whether they're black athletes or white plumbers or Asian stockbrokers. Parenting aint easy. I imagine joint custody might even make it more challenging.

So that may make me cynical. But racist? No.

Calling me racist though? That makes you a troll or an idiot. You choose.

[NBAFan93]

if he's paying child support (which he is, and likely paying for her lifestyle on top of it) she has no right to withhold his own child from him.

First, that's not true. I am not a family lawyer but my understanding is that custody and child support are unrelated: you can be obligated to pay child support and spousal support yet not have custody or visitation.

Second, whether or not she was in the wrong to withold access is irrelevant to whether Cousins is morally (or legally) in the right to threaten her.

pretty sure that's not true, if you are paying child support you are guaranteed visitation unless something extraordinary happens where the judge rules otherwise.

https://info.legalzoom.com/rights-fathers-paying-child-support-24388.html

second, no one is saying Cousins was right to threaten her. not sure how many times that needs to be repeated for you to understand.

You get visitation on a custody schedule that is either court ordered or agreed upon. You don’t have the right to just up and demand your kid at a moments notice when it conflicts with the schedule.

[Collymore]

Anyone else here poppin' the champagne if he gets to do real time for this?

[XxIronChainzxX]

if he's paying child support (which he is, and likely paying for her lifestyle on top of it) she has no right to withhold his own child from him.

First, that's not true. I am not a family lawyer but my understanding is that custody and child support are unrelated: you can be obligated to pay child support and spousal support yet not have custody or visitation.

Second, whether or not she was in the wrong to withold access is irrelevant to whether Cousins is morally (or legally) in the right to threaten her.

pretty sure that's not true, if you are paying child support you are guaranteed visitation unless something extraordinary happens where the judge rules otherwise.

https://info.legalzoom.com/rights-fathers-paying-child-support-24388.html

second, no one is saying Cousins was right to threaten her. not sure how many times that needs to be repeated for you to understand.

That link says something different than what you said originally. You said that paying child support gives rise to a right to visitation. As your link says, the two are separate. The link goes on to say that visitation rights are a default entitlement (or rather presumptive) and that makes sense. My point is that 1) we don't know the custody and visitation situation and 2) paying child support does not entitle you to visitation - that is a separate right.

As to Cousins' behaviour, no one has accused you of actually thinking he was in the right - I can't imagine who would even think that short of a psychopath. What people have been accusing you of is minimizing it and trying to defend Cousins by, essentially, arguing it was not that bad and not that big of a deal (as the rest of us say).

You've spent this thread expressing that you feel bad for him, defending his outburst, and minimizing it. That's not OK. He's threatened to kill the mother of his kid. That's really **** up.