Reminder: Anthony Davis doesn't shoot 3's

[OkcSinceSGA]

Clipper fans so salty

If anything I would say cocky. Clips built that team without any big shortcuts besides sacrificing their future. Lakers could def win a Championship but it could bite them in the ass just as much

I don't know exactly how much they sacrificed their future. I think it depends on how the next 2-3 years play out. If both PG/Kawhi are remotely healthy and re-sign and Clips are legit contenders for 5 years... giving up 28th pick in the draft for a few years is a small price to pay. Then it basically becomes if SGA is good enough to anchor a contender. If either guys bolt, or careers fall apart due to injuries, skyrocketing those picks... then yea they lost the gamble most likely. A ring or two will make it all worth it though. That's my personal hope for the team. 2 rings in the next 5-6 years or so would be good enough for me.

[drosereturn]

If theres 1 guy that doesnt ever need to develop 3's. its AD.

[draftnightsuit]

The 3pt shooting era is over. Golden State is done.

Look at how many teams have massive, twin tower frontcourts. This is the future of the league.

The Clippers are the best team in the NBA, and both their superstars shoot 3s, and are not even close to being 'twin towers'

1. The Clippers have proven absolutely nothing. They’re not the best team in the league until they actually play a game first.

2. Even if the Clippers reach their full potential, their identity isn’t a 3 point shooting team. There is a difference between having players who can shoot threes and Golden State.

3. The Clippers weaknesses in their frontcourt could easily be exploited by teams like the Lakers and Nuggets that have dominant big men.

[iLLmatic860]

Clipper fans so salty

If anything I would say cocky. Clips built that team without any big shortcuts besides sacrificing their future. Lakers could def win a Championship but it could bite them in the ass just as much

I don't know exactly how much they sacrificed their future. I think it depends on how the next 2-3 years play out. If both PG/Kawhi are remotely healthy and re-sign and Clips are legit contenders for 5 years... giving up 28th pick in the draft for a few years is a small price to pay. Then it basically becomes if SGA is good enough to anchor a contender. If either guys bolt, or careers fall apart due to injuries, skyrocketing those picks... then yea they lost the gamble most likely. A ring or two will make it all worth it though. That's my personal hope for the team. 2 rings in the next 5-6 years or so would be good enough for me.

Thats what I mean. If pg and kawahi remain healthy and resign then they will be fine. It was a no brainer for them regardless. Without making that PG trade they would never of landed Kawahi.

[kenwood3333]

Should have mentioned Bosh who was forced to develop a 3 pointer to compliment Leborn better

[Clyde Frazier]

Boom goes the dynamite

[The_Hater]

You understand that Bosh in ‘11 and ‘12 didn’t shoot many 3s at all right? It wasn’t ‘till he came back at the end of the ‘12 ECFs that he showcased that he’s been working on it hard and from there on out he started launching from deep with regularity. Prior to that though, him and LeBron worked just fine.

So 1) AD can improve his 3pt shot, which he already takes with regularity, and 2) hypothetically, if you want to assume he won’t shoot any with LeBron on the floor with him, liken him to a much better Ilgauskas, whom LeBron had great chemistry with.

the game was different back in '11 and '12, shooting 3's wasn't that important compared to today. Lebron also was in his prime in '11 and '12, Lebron in 2019 is 2 years away from retirement.

Lebron had great chemistry with Ilgauskas, so what? They didn't win a title

I see that you’re doubling down on your ‘doesn't shoot 3’s’ stance despite a few posters pointing out your mistake. I guess you’re still not going to bother looking up AD’s stats?

[SF_Warriors]

This post is basically an example of a take made by a "casual"

Nothing to see here just a bad take based on minimal basketball analysis.

[SerialChiller]

You understand that Bosh in ‘11 and ‘12 didn’t shoot many 3s at all right? It wasn’t ‘till he came back at the end of the ‘12 ECFs that he showcased that he’s been working on it hard and from there on out he started launching from deep with regularity. Prior to that though, him and LeBron worked just fine.

So 1) AD can improve his 3pt shot, which he already takes with regularity, and 2) hypothetically, if you want to assume he won’t shoot any with LeBron on the floor with him, liken him to a much better Ilgauskas, whom LeBron had great chemistry with.

the game was different back in '11 and '12, shooting 3's wasn't that important compared to today. Lebron also was in his prime in '11 and '12, Lebron in 2019 is 2 years away from retirement.

Lebron had great chemistry with Ilgauskas, so what? They didn't win a title

Pretty sure Lebron will play at least 4 more yrs. And Big Z isnt in the same company of a Bosh or Davis at all man.

[The_Hater]

Clipper fans so salty

If anything I would say cocky. Clips built that team without any big shortcuts besides sacrificing their future. Lakers could def win a Championship but it could bite them in the ass just as much

I don't know exactly how much they sacrificed their future. .

That’s just some old fashioned stubbornness on your part there.

You can still be happy that the Clippers made the moves they did for the present without burying your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge that the Clippers mortgaged a great deal of their future between SAG, the picks and pick swaps going 7 years into the future,

That said the Lakers did the exact same thing, to an even larger degree, so that’s not a good pro-Laker argument either.

[OkcSinceSGA]

If anything I would say cocky. Clips built that team without any big shortcuts besides sacrificing their future. Lakers could def win a Championship but it could bite them in the ass just as much

I don't know exactly how much they sacrificed their future. .

That’s just some old fashioned stubbornness on your part there.

You can still be happy that the Clippers made the moves they did for the present without burying your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge that the Clippers mortgaged a great deal of their future between SAG, the picks and pick swaps going 7 years into the future,

That said the Lakers did the exact same thing, to an even larger degree, so that’s not a good pro-Laker argument either.

Again it CAN sacrifice the future if the superstars leave, injuries derail them etc. If they both re-sign remain relatively healthy how is it sacrificing? A few bottom 5 picks and SGA for possibly a ring or two? Kawhi just turned 28, PG 29. These aren't mid 30's guys.

[The_Hater]

I don't know exactly how much they sacrificed their future. .

That’s just some old fashioned stubbornness on your part there.

You can still be happy that the Clippers made the moves they did for the present without burying your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge that the Clippers mortgaged a great deal of their future between SAG, the picks and pick swaps going 7 years into the future,

That said the Lakers did the exact same thing, to an even larger degree, so that’s not a good pro-Laker argument either.

Again it CAN sacrifice the future if the superstars leave, injuries derail them etc. If they both re-sign remain relatively healthy how is it sacrificing? A few bottom 5 picks and SGA for possibly a ring or two? Kawhi just turned 28, PG 29. These aren't mid 30's guys.

But they will be in their mid 30’s before all those assets are conveyed. Then what? And even you have brought up injuries, both of them have already sat out an entire season once each during their NBA careers.

And even If the Cliopers remain a contender, even a champion, and these picks don’t end up in the lottery doesn’t mean they’re not assets and wouldn’t be good young players in their draft slots. The Clippers traded a huge majority of their trade chips, assets they might need to round out the roster in pursuit of championships, just on that one transaction. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have made the trade but downplaying it like it’s irrelevant is just foolish. It can be a very good trade and a very expensive trade for the same side.

[SwatLakeCity527]

Pro-tip:

If you make a thread based solely on bashing a player from the team you are rivals with, it shows bias and people are less likely to take you seriously.

[Ben Simmons]

The 3pt shooting era is over. Golden State is done.

Look at how many teams have massive, twin tower frontcourts. This is the future of the league.

The Clippers are the best team in the NBA, and both their superstars shoot 3s, and are not even close to being 'twin towers'

1. The Clippers have proven absolutely nothing. They’re not the best team in the league until they actually play a game first.

2. Even if the Clippers reach their full potential, their identity isn’t a 3 point shooting team. There is a difference between having players who can shoot threes and Golden State.

3. The Clippers weaknesses in their frontcourt could easily be exploited by teams like the Lakers and Nuggets that have dominant big men.

The Lakers aren't athletic enough to play the Clippers.
Clippers will run then out of the building, and out-shoot them.
I'm a Philly fan, but I admit the Clippers will win 70 games

[OkcSinceSGA]

That’s just some old fashioned stubbornness on your part there.

You can still be happy that the Clippers made the moves they did for the present without burying your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge that the Clippers mortgaged a great deal of their future between SAG, the picks and pick swaps going 7 years into the future,

That said the Lakers did the exact same thing, to an even larger degree, so that’s not a good pro-Laker argument either.

Again it CAN sacrifice the future if the superstars leave, injuries derail them etc. If they both re-sign remain relatively healthy how is it sacrificing? A few bottom 5 picks and SGA for possibly a ring or two? Kawhi just turned 28, PG 29. These aren't mid 30's guys.

But they will be in their mid 30’s before all those assets are conveyed. Then what? And even you have brought up injuries, both of them have already sat out an entire season once each during their NBA careers.

And even If the Cliopers remain a contender, even a champion, and these picks don’t end up in the lottery doesn’t mean they’re not assets and wouldn’t be good young players in their draft slots. The Clippers traded a huge majority of their trade chips, assets they might need to round out the roster in pursuit of championships, just on that one transaction. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have made the trade but downplaying it like it’s irrelevant is just foolish. It can be a very good trade and a very expensive trade for the same side.

Yes, they traded probably 75% of their "war chest" for sure. I'm just saying if 6 years go by and they are still at least contending with a puncher's chance at it... and these picks that convey are 27th or 28th, why is it a sacrifice outright? Sure, good picks have been in the 2nd round too, still a huge statistical anomaly. I'm sure 90% or more of star players, or even really good multi year starters are lotto picks. Getting gems in the late 20's and 2nd round is actually relatively rare. Everyone is looking for the next Giannis... Donovan Mitchell and hint, almost nobody finds them. If the Thunder find the next Giannis in the 20s, then absolutely this trade could backfire epic, but I'm doubtful it actually plays out that way.

Look at the CP3 trade from Clippers to Rockets. THAT was FAR more of an example of sacrificing the future. Taking on a 33 year old, injury prone PG who was clearly starting his drop off to a small degree. The Rockets got a 1-2 year window out of that core. This Clippers team is looking at a 4-5 window at least unless they walk or have catastrophic injuries. With the Clippers acquiring two peaking superstars younger than 30, I'm not sure the risk even in 5 or 6 years is that great. This doesn't feel like a 1 shot deal. The team is still filled with young talent. I mean their oldest players are 32 and 30. The trade they made to land Kawhi+PG seems more like a medium sighted move. Not long term alone, or short term.. but both.

[jason bourne]

Not a high 3-pt shooting percentage, but he could improve. He has a fantastic TS%. I'd still want him on the Warriors in a S&T in 2020.

[sule]

Clipper fans so salty

At what exactly they easily had the most prolific off season evAr.

Miami 2010.

Karl Malone and Gary Payton joining the '04 Lakers was a pretty big deal.

So was Orlando '99 getting Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill.

Lakers in 2012 getting Dwight and Steve Nash was pretty big too.

Boston in '08 getting both Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen was pretty seismic too.


Each of those off-seasons could be considered just as prolific (if not more) than the Clippers this offseason.


(i may be off by a year or so for a few of those dates...but point still stands).

[The_Hater]

Again it CAN sacrifice the future if the superstars leave, injuries derail them etc. If they both re-sign remain relatively healthy how is it sacrificing? A few bottom 5 picks and SGA for possibly a ring or two? Kawhi just turned 28, PG 29. These aren't mid 30's guys.

But they will be in their mid 30’s before all those assets are conveyed. Then what? And even you have brought up injuries, both of them have already sat out an entire season once each during their NBA careers.

And even If the Cliopers remain a contender, even a champion, and these picks don’t end up in the lottery doesn’t mean they’re not assets and wouldn’t be good young players in their draft slots. The Clippers traded a huge majority of their trade chips, assets they might need to round out the roster in pursuit of championships, just on that one transaction. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have made the trade but downplaying it like it’s irrelevant is just foolish. It can be a very good trade and a very expensive trade for the same side.

Yes, they traded probably 75% of their "war chest" for sure. I'm just saying if 6 years go by and they are still at least contending with a puncher's chance at it... and these picks that convey are 27th or 28th, why is it a sacrifice outright? Sure, good picks have been in the 2nd round too, still a huge statistical anomaly. I'm sure 90% or more of star players, or even really good multi year starters are lotto picks. Getting gems in the late 20's and 2nd round is actually relatively rare. Everyone is looking for the next Giannis... Donovan Mitchell and hint, almost nobody finds them. If the Thunder find the next Giannis in the 20s, then absolutely this trade could backfire epic, but I'm doubtful it actually plays out that way.

See look at the CP3 trade from Clippers to Rockets. THAT was FAR more of an example of sacrificing the future. Taking on a 33 year old, injury prone PG who was clearly starting his drop off to a small degree. With the Clippers acquiring two peaking superstars younger than 30, I'm not sure the risk even in 5 or 6 years is that great. This doesn't feel like a 1 shot deal. The team is still filled with young talent. I mean their oldest players are 32 and 30. The trade they made to land Kawhi+PG seems more like a medium sighted move. Not long term alone, or short term.. but both.

Do t get me wrong, if I’m the Clippers I trade everything they did to get Kawhi and PG. It was well worth it. But at the same time I can’t help but love the position the Pelicans have put themselves in for the next 7-10 years and we can’t ignore that the Clips have inherited some risk with that move. Sometimes things don’t work out exactly as we hope for a number of reasons.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Clipper fans so salty

At what exactly they easily had the most prolific off season evAr.

Miami 2010.

Karl Malone and Gary Payton joining the '04 Lakers was a pretty big deal.

So was Orlando '99 getting Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill.

Lakers in 2012 getting Dwight and Steve Nash was pretty big too.

Boston in '08 getting both Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen was pretty seismic too.


Each of those off-seasons could be considered just as prolific (if not more) than the Clippers this offseason.


(i may be off by a year or so for a few of those dates...but point still stands).

LOL at GP+Malone who were way past prime players. Also Nash and Dwight weren't in their peak form either. Miami and Boston are legit picks... but again the guy who wrote that was being sarcastic and is a Lakers fan.

[OkcSinceSGA]

But they will be in their mid 30’s before all those assets are conveyed. Then what? And even you have brought up injuries, both of them have already sat out an entire season once each during their NBA careers.

And even If the Cliopers remain a contender, even a champion, and these picks don’t end up in the lottery doesn’t mean they’re not assets and wouldn’t be good young players in their draft slots. The Clippers traded a huge majority of their trade chips, assets they might need to round out the roster in pursuit of championships, just on that one transaction. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have made the trade but downplaying it like it’s irrelevant is just foolish. It can be a very good trade and a very expensive trade for the same side.

Yes, they traded probably 75% of their "war chest" for sure. I'm just saying if 6 years go by and they are still at least contending with a puncher's chance at it... and these picks that convey are 27th or 28th, why is it a sacrifice outright? Sure, good picks have been in the 2nd round too, still a huge statistical anomaly. I'm sure 90% or more of star players, or even really good multi year starters are lotto picks. Getting gems in the late 20's and 2nd round is actually relatively rare. Everyone is looking for the next Giannis... Donovan Mitchell and hint, almost nobody finds them. If the Thunder find the next Giannis in the 20s, then absolutely this trade could backfire epic, but I'm doubtful it actually plays out that way.

See look at the CP3 trade from Clippers to Rockets. THAT was FAR more of an example of sacrificing the future. Taking on a 33 year old, injury prone PG who was clearly starting his drop off to a small degree. With the Clippers acquiring two peaking superstars younger than 30, I'm not sure the risk even in 5 or 6 years is that great. This doesn't feel like a 1 shot deal. The team is still filled with young talent. I mean their oldest players are 32 and 30. The trade they made to land Kawhi+PG seems more like a medium sighted move. Not long term alone, or short term.. but both.

Do t get me wrong, if I’m the Clippers I trade everything they did to get Kawhi and PG. It was well worth it. But at the same time I can’t help but love the position the Pelicans have put themselves in for the next 7-10 years and we can’t ignore that the Clips have inherited some risk with that move. Sometimes things don’t work out exactly as we hope for a number of reasons.

Very fair post and I agree. Not meaning to say no risk. The risk is them not meshing and walking in two years, or catastrophic injuries. If those scenarios play out, sure we lost the trade. I'm hoping for at least a medium best case scenario. Maybe not perfect health, but both guys re-sign and remain SOMEWHAT healthy. I fully agree the Pelicans have put themselves in great position (hell, the Thunder have too).