TMZ: "DeMarcus Cousins Allegedly Threatening to Shoot Baby Mama Before Wedding"

[AbeVigodaLive]

when you essentially said we should assume black men are bad fathers unless proven otherwise.

You seem to be mistaken.

Can you quote one of them so I can see where you're getting that from? Thanks.

i'm not mistaken. you said we should not assume that Cousins is a good father...I asked you you that that has negative connotations because too many people assume that black men are automatically not good/and or absentee fathers, and you followed it up with corny ass jokes for the last 3 pages.

there's nothing funny about these racial undertones. the default position should NOT be 'he's not a good father until I see it it in front of me*...considering this is almost never a discussion point when it's a white man in question.

Yeah. I was right. You're mistaken.

My post had nothing to do with race. Thanks for confirming though.

[TheGOATWill]

That's not true. The recording would be part of the file. Usually there is a transcript of it, and in most modern day vases the USB or other digital device that holds the recording is available for copying if it's been led into evidence.

they didn't get a transcript, they got the actual recording. if that recording was submitted to the police and filed as EVIDENCE, they would not just send it to TMZ unless this is actually not being investigated in that capacity.

I can't speak to Alabama court rooms, but as I said in the post you're quoting, the recording normally would be part of the family court proceedings where the ex-wife is seeking to the restrictions on visitation. You're confusing the potential criminal investigation by the police (that might not go anywhere) with the family / civil proceeding that the ex wife has started / is continuing. The TMZ article is not completely clear on this point.

The police report themselves would (again in our jurisdiction here up North to the best of my knowledge) be provided to the complainant and she is able to use it as evidence in her family court proceedings.

So, as I said at the start, let's cool it with the alternative facts to slander this woman. I am not saying it impossible that she sold it to TMZ but there's no evidence to suggest that she did.

It would be at the discretion of the family court judge to admit such a thing. Which is really hard to do. They’d have to validate the authenticity and furthermore navigate the federal law that it is illegal to record a person in person or by phone without their knowledge. This, my knowledge of petty baby mamas and the fact the TMZ got their hands on it tells me baby mama leaked this for cash.

[clyde21]

You seem to be mistaken.

Can you quote one of them so I can see where you're getting that from? Thanks.

i'm not mistaken. you said we should not assume that Cousins is a good father...I asked you you that that has negative connotations because too many people assume that black men are automatically not good/and or absentee fathers, and you followed it up with corny ass jokes for the last 3 pages.

there's nothing funny about these racial undertones. the default position should NOT be 'he's not a good father until I see it it in front of me*...considering this is almost never a discussion point when it's a white man in question.

Yeah. I was right. You're mistaken.

My post had nothing to do with race. Thanks for confirming though.

then answer the question: why should we assume that Cousins is NOT a good father?

if it's not race related, maybe you can give us at least ONE reason to justify your position?

[AssistRubio]

For the people that defend this idiot I guess in your minds he's just the unluckiest guy in the world. It's always someone else's fault.

Face the facts. He has always been a trash person.

[AbeVigodaLive]

i'm not mistaken. you said we should not assume that Cousins is a good father...I asked you you that that has negative connotations because too many people assume that black men are automatically not good/and or absentee fathers, and you followed it up with corny ass jokes for the last 3 pages.

there's nothing funny about these racial undertones. the default position should NOT be 'he's not a good father until I see it it in front of me*...considering this is almost never a discussion point when it's a white man in question.

Yeah. I was right. You're mistaken.

My post had nothing to do with race. Thanks for confirming though.

then answer the question: why should we assume that Cousins is NOT a good father?

if it's not race related, maybe you can give us at least ONE reason to justify your position?

I never said he was a bad father. I said I had no idea what kind of father he was... and that it would be silly to assume he was a "great dad" off photos on Pinterest.

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[Note: As predicted, you got your 5 extra pages. You're welcome for my help.]

[XxIronChainzxX]

they didn't get a transcript, they got the actual recording. if that recording was submitted to the police and filed as EVIDENCE, they would not just send it to TMZ unless this is actually not being investigated in that capacity.

I can't speak to Alabama court rooms, but as I said in the post you're quoting, the recording normally would be part of the family court proceedings where the ex-wife is seeking to the restrictions on visitation. You're confusing the potential criminal investigation by the police (that might not go anywhere) with the family / civil proceeding that the ex wife has started / is continuing. The TMZ article is not completely clear on this point.

The police report themselves would (again in our jurisdiction here up North to the best of my knowledge) be provided to the complainant and she is able to use it as evidence in her family court proceedings.

So, as I said at the start, let's cool it with the alternative facts to slander this woman. I am not saying it impossible that she sold it to TMZ but there's no evidence to suggest that she did.

Then stop referencing it as the end all.

and I guess you could say that we have no evidence that she ended up giving this to video to TMZ herself, which I guess is fair enough, but I highly, highly, highly doubt that TMZ just went to the court room website and downloaded the video for themselves.

We have good reasons right now to believe that she did not provide a copy of the video to TMZ just based on how the situation has developed and based on everything that has been made public about the legal steps taken. This is a far cry from the "context" you repeatedly refered to early in the thread. Contrary to what you said, she went to the police first. Further contrary to what you said, we have good reasons to think that TMZ obtained all of this from a public source.

That said, it's not at all surprising that TMZ would constantly check court files across the country for the names of famous athletes and other people. It's not a secret that Cousins had a family proceeding and this type of click bait is the lifeblood of their entire business. Reputable news organizations send reporters to court all the time to check and see what was filed etc. It would not be a shock that a tabloid rag does the same.

One correction: while it's entirely possible there may be a court website accessible to the public where you can find the recording (I understand the US is modern) the system I am familiar with would require someone to physically go to the courtroom and get a copy of the physical file, which would have a physical disk or USB with the recording to copy.

But as I said it would be public record as to what court Cousins' family proceeding would be located and I expect TMZ would have people periodically check that courtroom's registry.

[TheNewEra]

For the people that defend this idiot I guess in your minds he's just the unluckiest guy in the world. It's always someone else's fault.

Face the facts. He has always been a trash person.

Tearing your ACL your birthday week and then getting into a heated argument with your child’s mother before your wedding about him attending in then having that conversation unknowingly recorded and in turn ending the little chance he had in the league while now having to go through this with your ex and the league instead of being happy about your new marriage

All in two weeks lmao if that’s not unlucky I don’t know what it

[AbeVigodaLive]

I can't speak to Alabama court rooms, but as I said in the post you're quoting, the recording normally would be part of the family court proceedings where the ex-wife is seeking to the restrictions on visitation. You're confusing the potential criminal investigation by the police (that might not go anywhere) with the family / civil proceeding that the ex wife has started / is continuing. The TMZ article is not completely clear on this point.

The police report themselves would (again in our jurisdiction here up North to the best of my knowledge) be provided to the complainant and she is able to use it as evidence in her family court proceedings.

So, as I said at the start, let's cool it with the alternative facts to slander this woman. I am not saying it impossible that she sold it to TMZ but there's no evidence to suggest that she did.

Then stop referencing it as the end all.

and I guess you could say that we have no evidence that she ended up giving this to video to TMZ herself, which I guess is fair enough, but I highly, highly, highly doubt that TMZ just went to the court room website and downloaded the video for themselves.

But as I said it would be public record as to what court Cousins' family proceeding would be located and I expect TMZ would have people periodically check that courtroom's registry.

WHAT?

A tabloid that could make tons of money off celebrity arrests... would make routine, cursory checks on public police records looking for dirt? Maybe even have somebody on staff who did that every day as part of their job?
GTFO with that nonsense!

[clyde21]

Yeah. I was right. You're mistaken.

My post had nothing to do with race. Thanks for confirming though.

then answer the question: why should we assume that Cousins is NOT a good father?

if it's not race related, maybe you can give us at least ONE reason to justify your position?

I never said he was a bad father. I said I had no idea what kind of father he was... and that it would be silly to assume he was a "great dad" off photos on Pinterest.

Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.




[Note: As predicted, you got your 5 extra pages. You're welcome for my help.]

i'm not sure why you keep repeating pintrest as if you're making any sort of logical point.

i know you're downplaying social media, but when you follow someone for his entire NBA career, watch his interactions with his family, including his own boy, you can make an inference. certainly more than 'we know nothing'.

i also question why your default position is 'i don't know if he's a good father or not'...shouldn't it be 'he's a good father' until proven otherwise given we have no reason to believe otherwise? i'm wondering if that would be your default position if it was a white dude.

[XxIronChainzxX]

they didn't get a transcript, they got the actual recording. if that recording was submitted to the police and filed as EVIDENCE, they would not just send it to TMZ unless this is actually not being investigated in that capacity.

I can't speak to Alabama court rooms, but as I said in the post you're quoting, the recording normally would be part of the family court proceedings where the ex-wife is seeking to the restrictions on visitation. You're confusing the potential criminal investigation by the police (that might not go anywhere) with the family / civil proceeding that the ex wife has started / is continuing. The TMZ article is not completely clear on this point.

The police report themselves would (again in our jurisdiction here up North to the best of my knowledge) be provided to the complainant and she is able to use it as evidence in her family court proceedings.

So, as I said at the start, let's cool it with the alternative facts to slander this woman. I am not saying it impossible that she sold it to TMZ but there's no evidence to suggest that she did.

It would be at the discretion of the family court judge to admit such a thing. Which is really hard to do. They’d have to validate the authenticity and furthermore navigate the federal law that it is illegal to record a person in person or by phone without their knowledge. This, my knowledge of petty baby mamas and the fact the TMZ got their hands on it tells me baby mama leaked this for cash.

As I said, while US procedure may be different in the jurisdiction that I am familiar with the inadmissible evidence would still form part of the court file and therefore would be accessible to TMZ. The only way that it would not be available is if a confidentiality or other order was made but if that were the case then TMZ would be violating a court order (so would the ex but let's park that for a second as we're focusing on TMZ).

[clyde21]

I can't speak to Alabama court rooms, but as I said in the post you're quoting, the recording normally would be part of the family court proceedings where the ex-wife is seeking to the restrictions on visitation. You're confusing the potential criminal investigation by the police (that might not go anywhere) with the family / civil proceeding that the ex wife has started / is continuing. The TMZ article is not completely clear on this point.

The police report themselves would (again in our jurisdiction here up North to the best of my knowledge) be provided to the complainant and she is able to use it as evidence in her family court proceedings.

So, as I said at the start, let's cool it with the alternative facts to slander this woman. I am not saying it impossible that she sold it to TMZ but there's no evidence to suggest that she did.

Then stop referencing it as the end all.

and I guess you could say that we have no evidence that she ended up giving this to video to TMZ herself, which I guess is fair enough, but I highly, highly, highly doubt that TMZ just went to the court room website and downloaded the video for themselves.

We have good reasons right now to believe that she did not provide a copy of the video to TMZ just based on how the situation has developed and based on everything that has been made public about the legal steps taken. This is a far cry from the "context" you repeatedly refered to early in the thread. Contrary to what you said, she went to the police first. Further contrary to what you said, we have good reasons to think that TMZ obtained all of this from a public source.

That said, it's not at all surprising that TMZ would constantly check court files across the country for the names of famous athletes and other people. It's not a secret that Cousins had a family proceeding and this type of click bait is the lifeblood of their entire business. Reputable news organizations send reporters to court all the time to check and see what was filed etc. It would not be a shock that a tabloid rag does the same.

One correction: while it's entirely possible there may be a court website accessible to the public where you can find the recording (I understand the US is modern) the system I am familiar with would require someone to physically go to the courtroom and get a copy of the physical file, which would have a physical disk or USB with the recording to copy.

But as I said it would be public record as to what court Cousins' family proceeding would be located and I expect TMZ would have people periodically check that courtroom's registry.

wrong. we have more reason to believe that this was leaked by her than TMZ getting this from the court room, which, again, would have been nearly impossible for them to do if this video was being treated as evidence by said judge/court room.

so yea, we don't actually know how they got the video, but if I had to guess, is that she leaked the video to them (i also find it odd that TMZ said they obtained the docs, but specifically did NOT mention the video, from the court).

[TheNewEra]

Hate or love the guy by any human standard this would be considered a **** month lol

[GswStorm3]

I can't believe this thread wasn't locked. It's gotten way out of hand.

[AssistRubio]

For the people that defend this idiot I guess in your minds he's just the unluckiest guy in the world. It's always someone else's fault.

Face the facts. He has always been a trash person.

Tearing your ACL your birthday week and then getting into a heated argument with your child’s mother before your wedding about him attending in then having that conversation unknowingly recorded and in turn ending the little chance he had in the league while now having to go through this with your ex and the league instead of being happy about your new marriage

All in two weeks lmao if that’s not unlucky I don’t know what it

Cousins has been in a privileged position for a decade now. He still can't control his emotions. He has all the resources/ability to get help. He hasn't. That's on him.

[AbeVigodaLive]

then answer the question: why should we assume that Cousins is NOT a good father?

if it's not race related, maybe you can give us at least ONE reason to justify your position?

I never said he was a bad father. I said I had no idea what kind of father he was... and that it would be silly to assume he was a "great dad" off photos on Pinterest.

Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.




[Note: As predicted, you got your 5 extra pages. You're welcome for my help.]

i'm not sure why you keep repeating pintrest as if you're making any sort of logical point.

i know you're downplaying social media, but when you follow someone for his entire NBA career, watch his interactions with his family, including his own boy, you can make an inference. certainly more than 'we know nothing'.

i also question why your default position is 'i don't know if he's a good father or not'...shouldn't it be 'he's a good father' until proven otherwise given we have no reason to believe otherwise? i'm wondering if that would be your default position if it was a white dude.

RINSE. REPEAT.
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I don't assume anybody is a good father. Or mother. Or even good message board poster. Sometimes, I find out a dude is a good guy and dad after I get to know him and see him with his kid. Other times, I figure out a guy is a pretty pedestrian troll online. Black guys. White guys. All sorts of guys can be good trolls online.

[MrDollarBills]

Just everything together is just so petty and childish on both sides. All this talk of mental health and the depression that comes from injuries and you don’t let this man have his child at his wedding? Cousins should of known better even being emotional and frustrated that anytime you can be recorded

I'm not defending her keeping her son from going to his wedding, but none of that remotely makes it okay for him to threaten to kill her. What the hell? How can you "both sides" a domestic violence issue?

Some of yall act like this is normal behavior or something to just shrug off. It's not. When people make threats like that they have to be taken 100% seriously, which is why I'm glad the police are involved now. Cousins is **** ed in his head.

It’s a bad look but let’s not act like he’s not human he’s going through some **** and the one bright spot as of late was his wedding. It was a threat not a act of violence and she has every right to report it if she feels but let’s not act like he has not always shown signs of being emotionally out of it

Let’s keep it real everyone here has threatened harm on someone when at your breaking point of anger. Take into account everything he’s been going through and now feel like his baby mother is playing games with his son I’m not going to internet destroy the guy for being emotional.

DEMARCUS COUSINS was wrong but why is mental health never given as a example for outbursts like this here? Cousins should of never have made the threat but to act like people can’t push your buttons when you are going through it to make you same something you wouldn’t say is being fake.

First of all, there are multiple posts in here stating that Cousins needs to get some help because he's clearly not well.

But mental health and anger are not an excuse for threatening to not only shoot a woman in her head, but allegedly also threatening to hire someone to do it. It is not an excuse, I'm tired of people using mental health as an excuse for when dudes behave in a toxic manner and start making threats or actually kill people. Millions of people live w/ mental health issues every day and the last thing they want to do is go out and threaten to kill people. He doesn't get a pass here, he's an adult who knows damn well what he was doing.

[E-Balla]

Who knows? Maybe it wasn't his time? Maybe he's a **** father? Maybe he's threatened her life before...

I mean this is obvious but what difference does it make? Not defending Cousins but not being his time isn't a good excuse from keeping a kid from their parent's wedding. At all. Actually it would make you a completely **** narcissist to do that.

The kid not wanting to go to the wedding is a perfectly fair reason not to make him go. This is why you don't make baseless assumptions

I wouldn't say it is. I didn't like doing a bunch of things my parents made me do as a kid. If he wanted his kid at his wedding, outside of already having plans that can't be rescheduled for your kid, he should be there. A wedding isn't an every day thing or run of the mill event, it's a big moment and he wanted his kid there.

[clyde21]

I never said he was a bad father. I said I had no idea what kind of father he was... and that it would be silly to assume he was a "great dad" off photos on Pinterest.

Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.




[Note: As predicted, you got your 5 extra pages. You're welcome for my help.]

i'm not sure why you keep repeating pintrest as if you're making any sort of logical point.

i know you're downplaying social media, but when you follow someone for his entire NBA career, watch his interactions with his family, including his own boy, you can make an inference. certainly more than 'we know nothing'.

i also question why your default position is 'i don't know if he's a good father or not'...shouldn't it be 'he's a good father' until proven otherwise given we have no reason to believe otherwise? i'm wondering if that would be your default position if it was a white dude.

RINSE. REPEAT.
RINSE. REPEAT.
RINSE. REPEAT.

I don't assume anybody is a good father. Or mother. Or even good message board poster. Sometimes, I find out a dude is a good guy and dad after I get to know him and see him with his kid. Other times, I figure out a guy is a pretty pedestrian troll online. Black guys. White guys. All sorts of guys can be good trolls online.

so what does Cousins have to do to prove he's a good father to you?

[XxIronChainzxX]

Then stop referencing it as the end all.

and I guess you could say that we have no evidence that she ended up giving this to video to TMZ herself, which I guess is fair enough, but I highly, highly, highly doubt that TMZ just went to the court room website and downloaded the video for themselves.

We have good reasons right now to believe that she did not provide a copy of the video to TMZ just based on how the situation has developed and based on everything that has been made public about the legal steps taken. This is a far cry from the "context" you repeatedly refered to early in the thread. Contrary to what you said, she went to the police first. Further contrary to what you said, we have good reasons to think that TMZ obtained all of this from a public source.

That said, it's not at all surprising that TMZ would constantly check court files across the country for the names of famous athletes and other people. It's not a secret that Cousins had a family proceeding and this type of click bait is the lifeblood of their entire business. Reputable news organizations send reporters to court all the time to check and see what was filed etc. It would not be a shock that a tabloid rag does the same.

One correction: while it's entirely possible there may be a court website accessible to the public where you can find the recording (I understand the US is modern) the system I am familiar with would require someone to physically go to the courtroom and get a copy of the physical file, which would have a physical disk or USB with the recording to copy.

But as I said it would be public record as to what court Cousins' family proceeding would be located and I expect TMZ would have people periodically check that courtroom's registry.

wrong. we have more reason to believe that this was leaked by her than TMZ getting this from the court room, which, again, would have been nearly impossible for them to do if this video was being treated as evidence by said judge/court room.

so yea, we don't actually know how they got the video, but if I had to guess, is that she leaked the video to them (i also find it odd that TMZ said they obtained the docs, but specifically did NOT mention the video, from the court).

Ah, so now we're back to alternative facts about how courts work. I refer you to my posts above correcting the inaccuracies in your post about typical courtroom process. If you have an actual link to Alabama's Court rules, practice directions, etc., I'd be glad to have a look.

Otherwise, we've got an alternative facts story that you invented to defend a man who you believe threatened to shoot his ex wife in the head. To whit, we've already completely discredited your theory about not going to the police first and we're well on the way to doing the same with the sale to TMZ.

As I said from the start: fascinating that this is the route you'll go. Also fascinating that despite your low tolerance for threats against women you've not answered my post about how cousins should be punished. Let simplify:

1. Criminal sanction.
2. Restraining order.
3. Supervised visitation.
4. Banned from NBA.
5. Sanction by NBA (suspension).
6. Sanctioned by NBA (fine).
7. ________ (fill in the blank).
8. Nothing.

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say you pick 8.

[MrDollarBills]

For the people that defend this idiot I guess in your minds he's just the unluckiest guy in the world. It's always someone else's fault.

Face the facts. He has always been a trash person.

Trash defends trash. i saw the same thing from dudes when Bill Cosby was getting locked up. they didn't care that he was a rapist, they were mad that he got held accountable for it.

Same thing here. DeMarcus Cousins is clearly an abusive piece of ****...but they don't care about that, they just care of the how and why he got exposed for it.

Lots of folks telling on themselves in this thread.