WWE Raw Discussion III

[Dr Positivity]

So I'm in late May right now (just watched the episode with Brock and the beat box) and part of it may be catching up 6 months to get to even this point and therefore potentially in need of a break, but I don't remember Raw seeming like such a mess. Mainly I blame the wild card rule and as a result you have tons of buried belts

Spoiler:

- Hawkins and Ryder have had the belt for 2 months after Wrestlemania and aren't even on the show weekly. What the ****? What are they going for here compared to if they made the Revival or Usos take it over within weeks? Do they not think Ryder and Hawkins will be 24/7 belt material immediately after losing it?
- Finn Balor as IC champion hasn't done anything
- Joe/Mysterio hasn't worked
- Women's tag belts barely defended since the IIconics won
- The Viking Raiders look botched like Sane/Asuka
- What are they doing with AJ? This guy is supposed to be the replacement to Reigns as the STAR of Raw, and now his feud with Rollins ends after one month and he's feuding Corbin? Wouldn't they have been better off just blatantly ripping off the Cena plotline and make him turn on Rollins after MITB and put together the Club again leading to a multi month storyline? I know that most likely they're just going to put him on ice and then make him the champion in the fall or something though, which is half the reason for Raw's lag.

I'm so sick of Corbin, McIntyre, Lashley, Braun driving Raw into the ground every week. I get that WWE wants Raw to be the show where the heavyweight guys are, and McIntyre moving into Shane's bodyguard territory is fine, but overall I'm just done with these big boring guys, especially when they're feuding each other. I don't know what you do with Braun since you can't book him as any other way but a powerhouse, but his character is so tired. I guess he can just be in a tag team with Ricochet or something.

Doesn't the WWE want Smackdown Live ratings to be good when they go to network TV in the fall? So the wild card rule can't just be a precursor to single brand can it? I guess a lot of this is Seth Rollins fault, or the WWE for thinking going all in on Rollins was the move. This is why booking wrestling is hard cause Seth had a great year in 2018 as one of the best in ring workers in the world and carrying the show when Brock wasn't there, but as soon as he becomes champion it becomes kind of obvious he's not the guy. There's a reason he went from main event material to IC title and tag guy for years before this. I think his ability to actually have storylines and feuds is lacking. My pet theory the way to tell the real top stars isn't what they do with the belt, it's when they don't have a belt and can still build a good storyline around them and non title feud at a PPV. That's why Reigns is the guy, when you look at his non titles singles matches with people like Braun, Joe, Lashley, Cena, Undertaker, etc. many of them have been big storylines if not main events of PPVs. Rollins I believe has been in a title picture almost 100% of the time the last few years, to keep him relevant they always had to make him either in IC title picture or tag title with Dean.

As for Seth's girlfriend, if they actually thought Becky could be the top babyface male or female on Raw for an extended time, to me it was predictable that would start to fade as well. My problem with Becky is I just don't believe in her enough as the dominant female wrestler in the ring. She's not the biggest, most athletic or the most skilled, leading to years of 3/5 matches before her The Man era. In general I do not find divas matches as fun to watch unless they have weapons like Evolution or TLC, which makes it harder during off periods to keep up the steam. Becky is a great promo but the WWE was smart to not put her in the ring a ton of times before Wrestlemania since the more bored people will be of Becky matches and her getting beat up followed by Straight Fire comeback, the less over she will be. Her best match ever was Evolution so maybe it would be different as a heel.

[Scott Hall]

So I'm in late May right now (just watched the episode with Brock and the beat box) and part of it may be catching up 6 months to get to even this point and therefore potentially in need of a break, but I don't remember Raw seeming like such a mess. Mainly I blame the wild card rule and as a result you have tons of buried belts

Spoiler:

- Hawkins and Ryder have had the belt for 2 months after Wrestlemania and aren't even on the show weekly. What the ****? What are they going for here compared to if they made the Revival or Usos take it over within weeks? Do they not think Ryder and Hawkins will be 24/7 belt material immediately after losing it?
- Finn Balor as IC champion hasn't done anything
- Joe/Mysterio hasn't worked
- Women's tag belts barely defended since the IIconics won
- The Viking Raiders look botched like Sane/Asuka
- What are they doing with AJ? This guy is supposed to be the replacement to Reigns as the STAR of Raw, and now his feud with Rollins ends after one month and he's feuding Corbin? Wouldn't they have been better off just blatantly ripping off the Cena plotline and make him turn on Rollins after MITB and put together the Club again leading to a multi month storyline? I know that most likely they're just going to put him on ice and then make him the champion in the fall or something though, which is half the reason for Raw's lag.

I'm so sick of Corbin, McIntyre, Lashley, Braun driving Raw into the ground every week. I get that WWE wants Raw to be the show where the heavyweight guys are, and McIntyre moving into Shane's bodyguard territory is fine, but overall I'm just done with these big boring guys, especially when they're feuding each other. I don't know what you do with Braun since you can't book him as any other way but a powerhouse, but his character is so tired. I guess he can just be in a tag team with Ricochet or something.

Doesn't the WWE want Smackdown Live ratings to be good when they go to network TV in the fall? So the wild card rule can't just be a precursor to single brand can it? I guess a lot of this is Seth Rollins fault, or the WWE for thinking going all in on Rollins was the move. This is why booking wrestling is hard cause Seth had a great year in 2018 as one of the best in ring workers in the world and carrying the show when Brock wasn't there, but as soon as he becomes champion it becomes kind of obvious he's not the guy. There's a reason he went from main event material to IC title and tag guy for years before this. I think his ability to actually have storylines and feuds is lacking. My pet theory the way to tell the real top stars isn't what they do with the belt, it's when they don't have a belt and can still build a good storyline around them and non title feud at a PPV. That's why Reigns is the guy, when you look at his non titles singles matches with people like Braun, Joe, Lashley, Cena, Undertaker, etc. many of them have been big storylines if not main events of PPVs. Rollins I believe has been in a title picture almost 100% of the time the last few years, to keep him relevant they always had to make him either in IC title picture or tag title with Dean.

As for Seth's girlfriend, if they actually thought Becky could be the top babyface male or female on Raw for an extended time, to me it was predictable that would start to fade as well. My problem with Becky is I just don't believe in her enough as the dominant female wrestler in the ring. She's not the biggest, most athletic or the most skilled, leading to years of 3/5 matches before her The Man era. In general I do not find divas matches as fun to watch unless they have weapons like Evolution or TLC, which makes it harder during off periods to keep up the steam. Becky is a great promo but the WWE was smart to not put her in the ring a ton of times before Wrestlemania since the more bored people will be of Becky matches and her getting beat up followed by Straight Fire comeback, the less over she will be. Her best match ever was Evolution so maybe it would be different as a heel.

It's amazing that Becky Lynch who is average in almost every possible category measurable became so over
and the face of the company so to speak I'll never understand the appeal.

[daoneandonly]

So I'm in late May right now (just watched the episode with Brock and the beat box) and part of it may be catching up 6 months to get to even this point and therefore potentially in need of a break, but I don't remember Raw seeming like such a mess. Mainly I blame the wild card rule and as a result you have tons of buried belts

Spoiler:

- Hawkins and Ryder have had the belt for 2 months after Wrestlemania and aren't even on the show weekly. What the ****? What are they going for here compared to if they made the Revival or Usos take it over within weeks? Do they not think Ryder and Hawkins will be 24/7 belt material immediately after losing it?
- Finn Balor as IC champion hasn't done anything
- Joe/Mysterio hasn't worked
- Women's tag belts barely defended since the IIconics won
- The Viking Raiders look botched like Sane/Asuka
- What are they doing with AJ? This guy is supposed to be the replacement to Reigns as the STAR of Raw, and now his feud with Rollins ends after one month and he's feuding Corbin? Wouldn't they have been better off just blatantly ripping off the Cena plotline and make him turn on Rollins after MITB and put together the Club again leading to a multi month storyline? I know that most likely they're just going to put him on ice and then make him the champion in the fall or something though, which is half the reason for Raw's lag.

I'm so sick of Corbin, McIntyre, Lashley, Braun driving Raw into the ground every week. I get that WWE wants Raw to be the show where the heavyweight guys are, and McIntyre moving into Shane's bodyguard territory is fine, but overall I'm just done with these big boring guys, especially when they're feuding each other. I don't know what you do with Braun since you can't book him as any other way but a powerhouse, but his character is so tired. I guess he can just be in a tag team with Ricochet or something.

Doesn't the WWE want Smackdown Live ratings to be good when they go to network TV in the fall? So the wild card rule can't just be a precursor to single brand can it? I guess a lot of this is Seth Rollins fault, or the WWE for thinking going all in on Rollins was the move. This is why booking wrestling is hard cause Seth had a great year in 2018 as one of the best in ring workers in the world and carrying the show when Brock wasn't there, but as soon as he becomes champion it becomes kind of obvious he's not the guy. There's a reason he went from main event material to IC title and tag guy for years before this. I think his ability to actually have storylines and feuds is lacking. My pet theory the way to tell the real top stars isn't what they do with the belt, it's when they don't have a belt and can still build a good storyline around them and non title feud at a PPV. That's why Reigns is the guy, when you look at his non titles singles matches with people like Braun, Joe, Lashley, Cena, Undertaker, etc. many of them have been big storylines if not main events of PPVs. Rollins I believe has been in a title picture almost 100% of the time the last few years, to keep him relevant they always had to make him either in IC title picture or tag title with Dean.

As for Seth's girlfriend, if they actually thought Becky could be the top babyface male or female on Raw for an extended time, to me it was predictable that would start to fade as well. My problem with Becky is I just don't believe in her enough as the dominant female wrestler in the ring. She's not the biggest, most athletic or the most skilled, leading to years of 3/5 matches before her The Man era. In general I do not find divas matches as fun to watch unless they have weapons like Evolution or TLC, which makes it harder during off periods to keep up the steam. Becky is a great promo but the WWE was smart to not put her in the ring a ton of times before Wrestlemania since the more bored people will be of Becky matches and her getting beat up followed by Straight Fire comeback, the less over she will be. Her best match ever was Evolution so maybe it would be different as a heel.

It's amazing that Becky Lynch who is average in almost every possible category measurable became so over
and the face of the company so to speak I'll never understand the appeal.

I think its the competition in the division more than anything else

Rhonda sucks on the mic
Charlotte sucks on the mic with the exception of when she's not screaming (which is rare)
Bayley sucks on the mic
Alexa sucks in the ring
Carmella sucks in the ring
Natalya sucks at both

Sasha took a hiatus for not being used right, and they dropped the ball on Asuka. Someoen had to emerge.

[improper]

Personally, I think Becky just turned heel at the right time. Audiences were increasingly frustrated with the booking of the entire product, and particularly the way that Roman and Charlotte were pushed to the moon constantly at the expense of everyone else. Becky beating the hell out of Charlotte was exactly what the fans wanted to see, and her character felt fresh and exciting.

Of course, WWE botched it with endless feuds against heatless heels, but that's no surprise. That's how they kill every top face.

[LLJ]

Personally, I think Becky just turned heel at the right time. Audiences were increasingly frustrated with the booking of the entire product, and particularly the way that Roman and Charlotte were pushed to the moon constantly at the expense of everyone else. Becky beating the hell out of Charlotte was exactly what the fans wanted to see, and her character felt fresh and exciting.

Of course, WWE botched it with endless feuds against heatless heels, but that's no surprise. That's how they kill every top face.

The women's division just feels totally dead right now. I can't think of any matchup they could do that would generate real excitement anymore. Charlotte has faced everyone and fans are just plain tired of her at this point to cheer or boo her strongly anymore, Becky has faced most everyone, and the prospect of Sasha beating Becky really isn't as exciting as it would have been when the division was hotter. Bayley's current reign feels like a "B" reign, not anywhere near as hot as she was when she was RAW champ. Alexa is a tag champ because Vince wanted a belt on her, and Asuka is doing nothing and already faced all the top girls except Ronda anyway.

Much of this is their inability to keep more than 2 or 3 women relevant in the minds of people at the same time. When they roll out a Natalya or Ember, everyone knows they aren't winning, and that just results in some cold matches.

At this point in the WWE, they have so much TV time to fill, it feels like they're just focused on filling airtime with content, ANY content, rather than attempting to put out quality and utilize their talents correctly. Their formula is locked in stone

[Scott Hall]

i'll never understand the hate Charlotte gets and the mindset that she wins to much or was holding others back.
She's a legit star in an extremely shallow division how else is she supposed to be logically booked? Even during her
run girls like Naomi, Alexa and Carmella had lackluster championship runs. She even took some time off and took
a back seat and it's not like anybody stood up. Yes we all would've booked Asuka, Moon, Sasha etc better then Vince
but how can anyone make a case for Charlotte not consistently being in the main event picture?

[improper]

i'll never understand the hate Charlotte gets and the mindset that she wins to much or was holding others back.
She's a legit star in an extremely shallow division how else is she supposed to be logically booked? Even during her
run girls like Naomi, Alexa and Carmella had lackluster championship runs. She even took some time off and took
a back seat and it's not like anybody stood up. Yes we all would've booked Asuka, Moon, Sasha etc better then Vince
but how can anyone make a case for Charlotte not consistently being in the main event picture?

She is a star but when you give someone like ten title reigns in two years and constantly feature them at every PPV, they get stale. The amount of title reigns Charlotte has already compiled is so ridiculous that they have basically had to hide her because otherwise she'd pass her dad in another year.

This is why people turned on Roman and it's why they turned on Charlotte. People want fresh faces and they want to see the ones they like get pushed, and that tends to not happen when entire divisions are structured entirely around pushing one person.

Becky was just in the right place at the right time. An underappreciated talent who never got a fair shake on the main roster because Vince was obsessed with pushing his female Reigns.

[Scott Hall]

i'll never understand the hate Charlotte gets and the mindset that she wins to much or was holding others back.
She's a legit star in an extremely shallow division how else is she supposed to be logically booked? Even during her
run girls like Naomi, Alexa and Carmella had lackluster championship runs. She even took some time off and took
a back seat and it's not like anybody stood up. Yes we all would've booked Asuka, Moon, Sasha etc better then Vince
but how can anyone make a case for Charlotte not consistently being in the main event picture?

She is a star but when you give someone like ten title reigns in two years and constantly feature them at every PPV, they get stale. The amount of title reigns Charlotte has already compiled is so ridiculous that they have basically had to hide her because otherwise she'd pass her dad in another year.

This is why people turned on Roman and it's why they turned on Charlotte. People want fresh faces and they want to see the ones they like get pushed, and that tends to not happen when entire divisions are structured entirely around pushing one person.

Becky was just in the right place at the right time. An underappreciated talent who never got a fair shake on the main roster because Vince was obsessed with pushing his female Reigns.

Womens Tittle reigns are about as important as who's won the 24/7 tittle the most... seriously what does being
Womans champion mean...you're the best of the other 6-8 girls on you're show who are all mostly green? I doubt
anyone takes the reigns seriously and if they do they shouldn't be comparing it to the men especially from the
other eras.

So who should be getting pushed? Carmella and Alexa who are just entertaining eye candy that suck in the ring?
boring and bland Bayley? people already forget Nia Jax and Naomi exist. Lacey Evans, Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville
are still newbs and probably could still use some more NXT seasoning. The Riott Squad was a flop. Ronda Rousey
had her 5 minutes of fame and got to do her bucket list dream. Vince doesn't like Mickie James for some reason.

The difference between Charlotte and Roman is Charlotte is the best worker and talker in her division if I was
booking she'd be the Andre/Ric Flair/Hogan/Bruno of it and Sasha would've been her main rival with Asuka being right
there and building up Ember Moon who's still new to the main roster and missed some time with injury. Then
things would get interesting with the next batch of callups like Shayna Bazler, Io Shari, Candice LeRae, Mia Yim
and Rhea Rhipley.

With the Brand Split we got/get new fresh faces being pushed Mella, Alexa, Naomi were all champs and it
was boring during Bayleys SummerSlam world tittle match you could hear crickets. Womens tittle is meaningless
because almost everyone gets their "turn"

[LLJ]

i'll never understand the hate Charlotte gets and the mindset that she wins to much or was holding others back.
She's a legit star in an extremely shallow division how else is she supposed to be logically booked? Even during her
run girls like Naomi, Alexa and Carmella had lackluster championship runs. She even took some time off and took
a back seat and it's not like anybody stood up. Yes we all would've booked Asuka, Moon, Sasha etc better then Vince
but how can anyone make a case for Charlotte not consistently being in the main event picture?

Charlotte is well rounded, the most well rounded woman in the company even, but just because someone is good, they can still be overexposed over the course of 3 years. Do people remember that the entire Attitude Era actually only lasted 4 years? That's why Austin and Rock never got stale in our memories. Now guys like Roman and Charlotte, the company had been dedicated to getting them over for OVER 4 years. The reality is, fan of hers or not, people ARE just tired of looking at her. There is no getting around that fact. It was a large basis of why Becky blew up, because fans were tired of Charlotte.

Charlotte, outside of her booking, isn't particularly hateable or likeable. She's a top 3 worker, adequate on the mic, and not really a natural trash talker nor someone who's great at igniting the crowd with energy or charisma. She's a lot like Triple H was, although HHH was probably better at getting under people's skin.

The other thing is that other girls get title reigns with less effort booked for them than the people they REALLY like. Naomi was getting Lana as her main rival, and her reign was often playing 2nd banana to Charlotte stuff. Bayley's current reign is a true "B" reign. They lost interest in doing anything for Asuka once she beat Becky (They even tried their best not to remind people she beat Becky). Alexa is Alexa and you know what you get with her--strong mic work coupled with terrible matches. I give you Carmella was a real failure though because they really tried to make her reign work.

I'm not saying booking is all at fault. But you can tell who are the "chosen" ones by how much focus they get, and how much attention the company pays attention to their title reigns and how they are booked in multi person matches. They took care to always make Charlotte look the best at TLC, and at Wrestlemania (where she interacted with Ronda in the ring far more than Becky did)

[improper]

HHH is a way better talker than Charlotte. He's an all time great heel.

Charlotte is probably a better worker, though, or at least more versatile in the ring.

[LLJ]

HHH is a way better talker than Charlotte. He's an all time great heel.

Charlotte is probably a better worker, though, or at least more versatile in the ring.

In his prime, HHH was a very good worker, for the type of style he had.

But HHH was undoubtedly overexposed, especially considering he was getting equal or more TV time than The Rock and Austin at times (who undoubtedly were bigger stars than HHH despite HHH winning way more titles and getting more TV time than they did). As a mic worker, he has this rambling quality about him that wasn't necessarily annoying (HBK was much better at being annoying) but it felt like time padding week after week.

That said, I compare Charlotte to him in that they are pushed as the top people and there is not necessarily anything REALLY wrong with them, but they sort of lack compared to a few of their peers in intangibles.

You know how when you look at someone, and they've got all the tools, all the pieces, but there is just something intangible missing? Whereas someone who is clearly flawed in several aspects, have this innate ability to ignite crowds and command attention? That's a little like how I see Charlotte and HHH compared to a few of their peers.

[Scott Hall]

i'll never understand the hate Charlotte gets and the mindset that she wins to much or was holding others back.
She's a legit star in an extremely shallow division how else is she supposed to be logically booked? Even during her
run girls like Naomi, Alexa and Carmella had lackluster championship runs. She even took some time off and took
a back seat and it's not like anybody stood up. Yes we all would've booked Asuka, Moon, Sasha etc better then Vince
but how can anyone make a case for Charlotte not consistently being in the main event picture?

Charlotte is well rounded, the most well rounded woman in the company even, but just because someone is good, they can still be overexposed over the course of 3 years. Do people remember that the entire Attitude Era actually only lasted 4 years? That's why Austin and Rock never got stale in our memories. Now guys like Roman and Charlotte, the company had been dedicated to getting them over for OVER 4 years. The reality is, fan of hers or not, people ARE just tired of looking at her. There is no getting around that fact. It was a large basis of why Becky blew up, because fans were tired of Charlotte.

Charlotte, outside of her booking, isn't particularly hateable or likeable. She's a top 3 worker, adequate on the mic, and not really a natural trash talker nor someone who's great at igniting the crowd with energy or charisma. She's a lot like Triple H was, although HHH was probably better at getting under people's skin.

The other thing is that other girls get title reigns with less effort booked for them than the people they REALLY like. Naomi was getting Lana as her main rival, and her reign was often playing 2nd banana to Charlotte stuff. Bayley's current reign is a true "B" reign. They lost interest in doing anything for Asuka once she beat Becky (They even tried their best not to remind people she beat Becky). Alexa is Alexa and you know what you get with her--strong mic work coupled with terrible matches. I give you Carmella was a real failure though because they really tried to make her reign work.

I'm not saying booking is all at fault. But you can tell who are the "chosen" ones by how much focus they get, and how much attention the company pays attention to their title reigns and how they are booked in multi person matches. They took care to always make Charlotte look the best at TLC, and at Wrestlemania (where she interacted with Ronda in the ring far more than Becky did)

There seems to be 2 lines of thinking on Charlotte... One you guys that think she's over exposed, given to much etc etc
and there is those that appreciate her work and consider her the GOAT womens wrestler of all-time.

I've heard so many people in the industry put over Charlotte from Bully Ray to Mark Henry to Trish Stratus to
Austin to Hogan etc. I feel like I'm watching her in her prime get better and better each passing month and having
some of the best matches on the card (men or women) and almost always delivering in big match situations. And she's
doing this against mostly inferior competition.

The only one who is comparable to me is Tessa Blanchard who is also dominating Impact and is at a point they have
to have her facing men and I also wasn't sick of Tessa dominate Impacts womens division. It's funny when they have
Charlotte have these matches against Liv Morgan, Lana, Lacey Evans, Dana Brooke etc it's like watching Ric Flair
wrestle a green WCW Power Plant wrestler.

As for Charlotte's mic work I think she plays a tremendous heel she literally can be a nasty bitch and she has great
facial expressions and from what I've seen she's actually a cool likable person in real life.

I think a lot of Charlottes "heat" is how poorly booked some other capable women are on the roster so she gets
slandered. I can't remember the last time I defended Vinces booking but the one thing he's done right the last
few years is his booking of Charlotte and keeping her strong during this Becky fad.

[LLJ]

There seems to be 2 lines of thinking on Charlotte... One you guys that think she's over exposed, given to much etc etc
and there is those that appreciate her work and consider her the GOAT womens wrestler of all-time.

Why can't it be both? I'd be tired even if Austin was constantly exposed like this, and he's the GOAT. But see, with Austin, he went into the midcard for long periods and he really only had 2 years where he was constantly in title matches.

One of the problems today is that the company moves A LOT slower than they did before. A feud can last not just months but years. Top pushes last over 4 years.

How long were Bret, Austin and HBK on top, or constantly the MAIN title guys? Maybe 3 years at most.

Now we can have people who are in every title match in every PPV for 6 months straight, and title feuds which last YEARS.

[improper]

Yeah. Like, I think Charlotte is a great talent, but there's only so many times you can make her champ before her being champ starts to become boring. They did the same thing with her that they did with Roman. They just kept pushing her to the point where the fans just wanted something different and turned on her. You need some variety at the top of the card, and sometimes you need to send your top people into the mid-card to spice that up while others take their turn at the top.

They also kind of wrote themselves into a corner with all of those Charlotte title reigns, because now they're basically going to have to keep her out of the title picture for long stretches of time just to keep her from passing her dad at such an absurdly early point in her career.

[LLJ]

The big problem is that there is no midcard in the women's division, and the WWE knows it. If there were an actual midcard. Charlotte would spend more time there than 1 to 2 months (I love how people use Charlotte taking a break for a month or two as proof that she's out of the title picture sometimes). They are so scared to death of Charlotte falling out of relevance for more than 3 months that they even manufacture a match for her at SummerSlam that was hyped and promoted more than the 2 actual women's title matches.

Using Austin as an example again--in '99 he was the top guy in the company. By '02 he was in the midcard of Wrestlemania 18 battling Scott Hall in a barely hyped match while Hogan and Rock were main eventing. Contrast that to Roman main eventing 4 years in a row, or Charlotte in every big women's title match at Wrestlemania for 4 straight years, and you have just oversaturation of the same faces

In some ways with Charlotte she's even more overexposed because Roman didn't always go for the Universal title in every PPV. Since Wrestlemania 34, Charlotte has been in something like 7 or 8 title matches in 12 months, many of them for the same title.

edit: wait, my bad, Triple H main evented Wrestlemania 18, which further proved my original point lol.

[Scott Hall]

The difference with Austin and Charlotte is the womens division is completely shallow and they have 2 belts now
instead of one. Also Austin had the neck injury and missed a big chunk of 1999-2000 keeping him fresh. Plus the
ascension of the Rock and their rivalry kept him fresh despite the rivalry with Vince getting played out.

Andre didn't lose a match for 17 years or something like that and Bruno was champion for what 7 consecutive years?
This generation doesn't like dominant champions like Brock and Charlotte.

But watching Charlotte to me is like watching a female Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels in a lot of ways like why am
I gonna complain about this woman that's having kick ass matches and rapidly ascending to a legend? Like who
are my other options if I'm forced to watch womens wrestling on the main roster?

Since the Womens division is shallow and Vince doesn't care about Tag-Team Wrestling (Men or Women) the only way
the women get a PPV match is if they have a World Tittle match. Having Charlotte left off SummerSlam while being
one of the biggest stars in the company felt strange so I'm glad they were able to convince Trish to come out of
retirement to give her a match. Trish said going in she thought it could be like Rock vs. Hogan passing of the torch match.
I thought that match ended up being the 2nd or 3rd best match on the card.

The hot shotting of the womens tittle especially with Sasha and Charlotte at the beginning was stupid since
the division is small it should be long tittle reigns and feuds should drag on for months so they preserve some
fresh matchups down the road and not have the entire division face each other in a year or 2,

[Scott Hall]

The big problem is that there is no midcard in the women's division, and the WWE knows it. If there were an actual midcard. Charlotte would spend more time there than 1 to 2 months (I love how people use Charlotte taking a break for a month or two as proof that she's out of the title picture sometimes). They are so scared to death of Charlotte falling out of relevance for more than 3 months that they even manufacture a match for her at SummerSlam that was hyped and promoted more than the 2 actual women's title matches.

Using Austin as an example again--in '99 he was the top guy in the company. By '02 he was in the midcard of Wrestlemania 18 battling Scott Hall in a barely hyped match while Hogan and Rock were main eventing. Contrast that to Roman main eventing 4 years in a row, or Charlotte in every big women's title match at Wrestlemania for 4 straight years, and you have just oversaturation of the same faces

In some ways with Charlotte she's even more overexposed because Roman didn't always go for the Universal title in every PPV. Since Wrestlemania 34, Charlotte has been in something like 7 or 8 title matches in 12 months, many of them for the same title.

edit: wait, my bad, Triple H main evented Wrestlemania 18, which further proved my original point lol.

Austin was given the option to have the match with Hogan at WM first he turned it down because Hogan was 48.5 years
old and thought it would be a train wreck so they gave it to the Rock and they ended up having one of the most legendary
matches of all-time. Austin has regretted this plenty of times even as recently as last month when he did the podcast
with Hogan and told him his mind wasn't in the right place.

I don't know if you were a fan in the 80's or 90's but did you have a problem with Sting and Flair basically being in
every main event for WCW? until the nWo got there they were altering main events. Did you have a problem with
Hogan maineventing this first 8 of 9 WM's? Did you have a problem with Bret Hart basically being the main event guy
from late 1992 to 1997?

[LLJ]

I don't know if you were a fan in the 80's or 90's but did you have a problem with Sting and Flair basically being in
every main event for WCW? until the nWo got there they were altering main events. Did you have a problem with
Hogan maineventing this first 8 of 9 WM's? Did you have a problem with Bret Hart basically being the main event guy
from late 1992 to 1997?

There's a difference between being a "main event guy" and being in a title match in every PPV. Bret Hart spent LONG periods feuding with the likes of Doink, Owen, Bob Backlund, Issac Yankem, etc during this period. He was also out for a large part of 1996, almost half a year.

With Charlotte, pretty much every PPV she appears in, with few exceptions, is a title match or the biggest women's match on the card. That's oversaturation.

I disagree somewhat with Austin's contention that he could have main evented with Hogan. I mean, yes, he still could have, I agree with that. But if you watched '02 you could tell that they were moving off Austin and his star was already on the decline at the time. They were downgrading him at this point, and if you listen to a lot of Austin's regrets, the majority of it came when his star was on the decline with Vince.

[jakecronus8]

It’s not too late for Braun. For someone who looks like a monster heel he’s got such a likable charisma to him. And watching him smash people is so much fun.

[Dominator83]

The big problem is that there is no midcard in the women's division, and the WWE knows it. If there were an actual midcard. Charlotte would spend more time there than 1 to 2 months (I love how people use Charlotte taking a break for a month or two as proof that she's out of the title picture sometimes). They are so scared to death of Charlotte falling out of relevance for more than 3 months that they even manufacture a match for her at SummerSlam that was hyped and promoted more than the 2 actual women's title matches.

Using Austin as an example again--in '99 he was the top guy in the company. By '02 he was in the midcard of Wrestlemania 18 battling Scott Hall in a barely hyped match while Hogan and Rock were main eventing. Contrast that to Roman main eventing 4 years in a row, or Charlotte in every big women's title match at Wrestlemania for 4 straight years, and you have just oversaturation of the same faces

In some ways with Charlotte she's even more overexposed because Roman didn't always go for the Universal title in every PPV. Since Wrestlemania 34, Charlotte has been in something like 7 or 8 title matches in 12 months, many of them for the same title.

edit: wait, my bad, Triple H main evented Wrestlemania 18, which further proved my original point lol.

Austin was given the option to have the match with Hogan at WM first he turned it down because Hogan was 48.5 years
old and thought it would be a train wreck so they gave it to the Rock and they ended up having one of the most legendary
matches of all-time. Austin has regretted this plenty of times even as recently as last month when he did the podcast
with Hogan and told him his mind wasn't in the right place.

I don't know if you were a fan in the 80's or 90's but did you have a problem with Sting and Flair basically being in
every main event for WCW? until the nWo got there they were altering main events. Did you have a problem with
Hogan maineventing this first 8 of 9 WM's? Did you have a problem with Bret Hart basically being the main event guy
from late 1992 to 1997?

I think a big problem now is just too much oversaturation in general. Like back then pre-nWo, the show's were just 1 hour a week and nobody was featured every single week. Nowadays everybody is featured every single week which shortens their shelf life of freshness. We're about to see this problem with NXT as they're about to lose their "less is more " quality. I noticed that all the marks were even starting to **** on Rollins, and he's the best worker in the company. Fans these days are short attention span and impatient and will get sick of anything, especially when they see everybody 5 times a month instead of 2.