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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#681 » by BBALLER4FR » Sun Sep 1, 2019 6:51 pm

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moocow007 wrote:I agree.

He makes the passes that the play calls for but he doesn't appear to have great passing instincts when there is no called play or a play breaks down.

Works better overseas since they tend to be more play calling and structured play. In the NBA? Not as much.

From my POV this distinction is noticeable in many parts if his game... especially on the offensive end. He just does not seem to have great natural feel for the game. He's noticeably mechanical at times.

On a team where there's a lot more dependency on individual players making things happen (i.e. bad teams) he struggles mightily cause there's no "script" he can follow to cover his lack of natural feel and instincts.

Maybe on a better team where the system and roles are established he can find a niche but I just don't see it here.

Now before anyone takes this as "it's the Knicks, not him"...no, it's him too. He is a limited player. Can he get better? Who knows. But right now offensively without question he's extremely weak from a modern NBA perspective. Even on a team like the Spurs I can't see him getting any time if he's a zero on offense. The Spurs role players can't be dead weight offensively no matter how some might think you can be. Same with the Raptors role players.



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Perfectly said. Also his defense is not enough to mask his offense while his demeanor and progression give me no confidence he becomes anything more than what he currently is.
Yeah.

I'd almost rather see him show some sign of urgency by by being more aggressive on offense even if it looks ugly or leads to turnovers.

Kevin Knox is a good example. Another young, long, rangy, raw player. He struggled early last season (looked awful) but got better by the end of the season. How? By not going into a shell and waiting but by being more aggressive and not settling. And the Knicks allowed him to do that. I doubt it was the Knicks that told Frank to not do that. That's probably why Frank ended in the doghouse. I can see Fiz screaming in his head "Shoot! Shoot! Attack! Oh come on Frank!"

Frank has had the perfect stage for it by playing on God awful teams where it was clear winning wasn't what it was about. We're not talking about competing teams here where you can't do that and wouldn't be justified in doing that.

You can't get better at something without stretching it out in games. And for whatever reason he just isn't willing or able to do that. It's either mental or lack of skill imo. He has to see that his NBA future is in jeopardy if he can't improve offensively.

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It's confounding. I like the kid. I don't at all like his game and I'm perplexed by his demeanor given his lack of success/fit so far in the NBA. Like you said, even the Spurs would have a hard time finding a role for him and thus far other teams don't seem to be knocking on the door to polish off this diamond in the rough. I'd honestly suggest his fans start looking beyond advance statistics and Kawhi type "break from your shell" moments from this kid and brace for a return to his National Team where he'll make money, play for a long time and not have to change his game. There is where he will find his niche.
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#682 » by god shammgod » Sun Sep 1, 2019 6:58 pm

team trier & rj
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#683 » by mpharris36 » Sun Sep 1, 2019 6:59 pm

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It’s a fabrication to say I despise Frank, legit think you have me confused with someone else.

I don’t believe Frank will make it but I grew up on Oak, Mase and Starks so I’m hungry for him to prove me wrong and be our stopper out there.

I also don’t believe in Payton long term, and DSJ I’m a little more hopeful in his talent but hate the fit with RJ as well.

Dotson is best fit for RJ right now


whos guarding the PG?


Dotson if we have a weak defender at PG, or any player that is not a net negative due to poor offense.


dotson barely can defend 2 guards...u think he is going to be able to navigate P&R's all game. Yea thats a no go from me. Dotson is a blah defender. Solid 3 point shooter but I would take my chances to getting frank up to league avg 3 pt shot and ability to shut down the P&R with Mitch then getting the better 3 point shooting next to RJ.
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#684 » by mpharris36 » Sun Sep 1, 2019 7:00 pm

god shammgod wrote:team trier & rj


trier and dotson both can't defend PG's you and I both know that. I am not the biggest DSJ fan but he's far better option defensively next to RJ then Trier and Dotson.
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#685 » by spree2kawhi » Sun Sep 1, 2019 7:44 pm

He simply doesn't look quick enough to create a shot for himself. Then again, Kawhi to this day doesn't look that way either.
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#686 » by iLLmatic860 » Sun Sep 1, 2019 9:03 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:He simply doesn't look quick enough to create a shot for himself. Then again, Kawhi to this day doesn't look that way either.

Alot of players that aren’t quick enough are just crafty. Frank just isnt crafty enough yet but I would hope he gets there.
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#687 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sun Sep 1, 2019 9:20 pm

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i had the same exact thought. there's a lot of similarities.


Oh, that's interesting. And we all loved Pablo.

He really just has to be passable at scoring. He hasn't been. But that's the bar.
Pablo iirc was alot more active, cutting and setting screams.

Frank should be crashing the offensive boards, cutting, and setting screans constantly. he can't just go to a corner and stay there


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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#688 » by VECTORMAN » Sun Sep 1, 2019 10:59 pm

Fans and media are putting too much pressure on Frank. We don't need him to be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd scorer. I'll be happy to see him become an all-world defender, a knock-down catch and shoot guy from 3, and someone you can plug into any position 1-4 and expect him to move the ball and make winning plays. He's got great instincts in the pick and roll and obviously as a defender, and some say he has no feel for the game?

Kid is only 21 years old. I love him, and not just because he has talent and freakish physical attributes, but also because he's got a great head on his shoulders and has been schooled in a team-first system. I also understand that a player like Frank - at such a young age, coming from Europe where many have noted the style of play is quite different - isn't likely to become a star or even a great rotation player over night. We knew this when Phil drafted him, and I for one cheered the pick.
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#689 » by BBALLER4FR » Mon Sep 2, 2019 12:40 am

VECTORMAN wrote:Fans and media are putting too much pressure on Frank. We don't need him to be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd scorer. I'll be happy to see him become an all-world defender, a knock-down catch and shoot guy from 3, and someone you can plug into any position 1-4 and expect him to move the ball and make winning plays. He's got great instincts in the pick and roll and obviously as a defender, and some say he has no feel for the game?


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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#690 » by Fat » Mon Sep 2, 2019 1:18 am

be honest are you guys giving frank the pat on the butt good effort good job treatment or are you seeing quality improvement in these games.
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Post#691 » by iLLmatic860 » Mon Sep 2, 2019 1:21 am

FatboyRealPetty wrote:be honest are you guys giving frank the pat on the butt good effort good job treatment or are you seeing quality improvement in these games.

I think the majority of us are starting to realize Frank just aint worth the time and effort
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Post#692 » by TheScout31 » Mon Sep 2, 2019 1:34 am

FatboyRealPetty wrote:be honest are you guys giving frank the pat on the butt good effort good job treatment or are you seeing quality improvement in these games.


People who are saying there has been no quality improvement either don’t understand basketball, haven’t watched the games, or both.

Of course they also could just be trolls.
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Post#693 » by iLLmatic860 » Mon Sep 2, 2019 2:10 am

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FatboyRealPetty wrote:be honest are you guys giving frank the pat on the butt good effort good job treatment or are you seeing quality improvement in these games.


People who are saying there has been no quality improvement either don’t understand basketball, haven’t watched the games, or both.

Of course they also could just be trolls.

Or maybe Frank just sucks lol
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#694 » by BBALLER4FR » Mon Sep 2, 2019 2:14 am

TheScout31 wrote:
FatboyRealPetty wrote:be honest are you guys giving frank the pat on the butt good effort good job treatment or are you seeing quality improvement in these games.


People who are saying there has been no quality improvement either don’t understand basketball, haven’t watched the games, or both.

Of course they also could just be trolls.



Or, and bear with me on this one, there has been no quality improvement. What people giving pats on the butt for effort are doing is using these games to evaluate Frank in a way no other player on earth would get the benefit of.

"He played the right way on the floor"
"He made the right pass everytime"
"He doesn't score but he's always in the right spot"
"He stabilizes the team"
"He contributes to winning"

This has never been the way fans evaluate players otherwise Roberson would be coveted. They fell in love with his length, saw he was pretty tenacious on defense as a rookie and felt the need to muster up odd stats and JV observations to let everyone know "Hey, this kid is 1 year from being 2 years away. I can't be wrong on this one so give it a chance." What we're seeing so far in FIBA should not inspire a soul to think this kid is ready to crack an NBA roster. It's no different than the last 2 seasons, seasons where he was buried on the roster and saw no interest from teams around the league. Saying otherwise might also be being a troll.
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Post#695 » by robillionaire » Mon Sep 2, 2019 3:09 am

He actually seems worse to me than he did back in 2017. I would love for someone to explain in what tangible ways they believe he has improved so I can try to look closer for that in the games going forward. I’m open to have my mind changed.
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Post#696 » by spree2kawhi » Mon Sep 2, 2019 5:45 am

robillionaire wrote:He actually seems worse to me than he did back in 2017. I would love for someone to explain in what tangible ways they believe he has improved so I can try to look closer for that in the games going forward. I’m open to have my mind changed.

Unfortunately you're right. I don't see too much potential offensively either.
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Post#697 » by DaGawd » Mon Sep 2, 2019 6:27 am

He's only 15
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Post#698 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Sep 2, 2019 7:13 am

DaGawd wrote:He's only 15


Frank is only 12 years old!

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Post#699 » by TheScout31 » Mon Sep 2, 2019 10:13 am

Handle is better, more aggressive on offense, using his body better, passing is better (those live action passes weren’t there even last year), footwork and burst is better...

He still needs to continue to improve, but, again, to say he’s stagnated in terms of development is false.
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Post#700 » by MadGrinch » Mon Sep 2, 2019 1:18 pm

to me its funny

frank has some games where he shoots poorly but his team is like +15 when he's out there and people complain say it doesn't matter if he cant make shots

he has a game where he scores 8 points on 5 shots in 13 minutes while making both his 3's...and people complain because his team didn't do well when he was out there.
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