FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 | SPAIN are new WORLD CHAMPIONS

[Nuntius]

In FIBA you get credited with an assist if a pass leads to a shooting foul and the receiver makes at least 1 free throw. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

No, that's not true at all.

i believe thats true, at least it is that way in the Euroleague.

That is indeed true. Here's the play-by-play of the Germany-Dominican Republic earlier today -> http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/game/0209/Germany-Dominican-Republic#tab=play_by_play

The last point for the Dominican Republic was a made FT by Ronald Roberts. You can see that the moment that Roberts hits the FT, the guy that passed the ball to him before he was fouled, Rigoberto Mendoza, gets credited with an assist.

[jinxed]

I find the FIBA rules for who plays whom frustratingly unclear. That's on me as I have some catching up to do about the international game, but for now, how are the teams going on to the second round getting sorted as to who they play next? And does point differential count at this stage?

Its not that you dont know FIBA rules, FIBA changes their tournament format almost every time, so its easy to be confused. This is how the whole system looks like :

http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/competition-system

It looks like USA and Greece will be play in the 2nd round so long as Greece makes it.

[Sgt Major]

How did the refs not count 2pt bucket for Greece after that third Sloukas' FT got rejected? Brazilian player hit both the rim and the net when he hit the ball away, shouldn't that be a bucket for Greece?

Regarding the next round, all the points from the first round will be transferred.

[darmani]

No, that's not true at all.

i believe thats true, at least it is that way in the Euroleague.

That is indeed true. Here's the play-by-play of the Germany-Dominican Republic earlier today -> http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/game/0209/Germany-Dominican-Republic#tab=play_by_play

The last point for the Dominican Republic was a made FT by Ronald Roberts. You can see that the moment that Roberts hits the FT, the guy that passed the ball to him before he was fouled, Rigoberto Mendoza, gets credited with an assist.

Oops. I was wrong. Sorry guys.

Is that a new rule?

[Nuntius]

So is Illyasova a FIBA superstar?

Some players play really, really well in FIBA competitions with their national team. They are the leaders for their teams and they can easily outplay their usual performance. They are ready to give their all for their team.

Look at Scola as an example, still playing for Argentina and averaging 19 points, even though he is 39 years old. Or Varejão today against Greece. Varejão is 37 years old and he hasn't played in the NBA for over 2 years. Yet, he had 22 points and 9 rebounds today and he led his team to victory. He played better than Giannis and Giannis was the MVP this past RS. Ilyasova is kind of like that for Turkey.

Actually Illyasova usually suck at FIBA's competitions .

It really depends. Turkey is a very feast or famine team. They can compete with the best but they can also flame out in a spectacular fashion. They finished 2nd in the 2010 WC, only to finish 11th in the 2011 EuroBasket and then 17th in the 2013 EuroBasket. In that 2013 EuroBasket, they finished 1-4 in their group. They lost to Italy, Greece, Finland and Russia and they only managed to beat Sweden. They weren't much better in the 2015 and 2017 EuroBasket tournaments either. They finished 14th in both instances. But in the 2014 WC that preceded these two tournaments? They had a pretty decent showing and finished 8th. Basically, Turkey has sucked in EuroBasket competitions for about a decade but they do quite well in World Cups. It's really weird.

[stoo]

No, that's not true at all.

i believe thats true, at least it is that way in the Euroleague.

That is indeed true. Here's the play-by-play of the Germany-Dominican Republic earlier today -> http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/game/0209/Germany-Dominican-Republic#tab=play_by_play

The last point for the Dominican Republic was a made FT by Ronald Roberts. You can see that the moment that Roberts hits the FT, the guy that passed the ball to him before he was fouled, Rigoberto Mendoza, gets credited with an assist.

And it makes so much more sense to get credited with an assist if u made a good pass that led to point from FT line if assisted guy was fouled, than to be credited for an assist if a guy u gave the ball to makes few dribbles and then scores

[Nuntius]

i believe thats true, at least it is that way in the Euroleague.

That is indeed true. Here's the play-by-play of the Germany-Dominican Republic earlier today -> http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/game/0209/Germany-Dominican-Republic#tab=play_by_play

The last point for the Dominican Republic was a made FT by Ronald Roberts. You can see that the moment that Roberts hits the FT, the guy that passed the ball to him before he was fouled, Rigoberto Mendoza, gets credited with an assist.

Oops. I was wrong. Sorry guys.

Is that a new rule?

I think that it was introduced at some point in the last decade. Not sure when.

[Catchall]

Revisiting this game, Turkey was much better coached and much more prepared than USA. USA was blowing defensive assignments left and right.

[stoo]

Some players play really, really well in FIBA competitions with their national team. They are the leaders for their teams and they can easily outplay their usual performance. They are ready to give their all for their team.

Look at Scola as an example, still playing for Argentina and averaging 19 points, even though he is 39 years old. Or Varejão today against Greece. Varejão is 37 years old and he hasn't played in the NBA for over 2 years. Yet, he had 22 points and 9 rebounds today and he led his team to victory. He played better than Giannis and Giannis was the MVP this past RS. Ilyasova is kind of like that for Turkey.

Actually Illyasova usually suck at FIBA's competitions .

It really depends. Turkey is a very feast or famine team. They can compete with the best but they can also flame out in a spectacular fashion. They finished 2nd in the 2010 WC, only to finish 11th in the 2011 EuroBasket and then 17th in the 2013 EuroBasket. In that 2013 EuroBasket, they finished 1-4 in their group. They lost to Italy, Greece, Finland and Russia and they only managed to beat Sweden. They weren't much better in the 2015 and 2017 EuroBasket tournaments either. They finished 14th in both instances. But in the 2014 WC that preceded these two tournaments? They had a pretty decent showing and finished 8th. Basically, Turkey has sucked in EuroBasket competitions for about a decade but they do quite well in World Cups. It's really weird.

Maybe it's because competition in Eurobasket is stronger

[Dacost]

What a play by Bruno Cabolo at the end

[Nuntius]

Wait so Greece is out?!

We're not out yet. We will be out if we lost to New Zealand. If we beat New Zealand then we will advance to the second round. In the second round, we will face the US and Turkey (provided that they beat Japan, which I think they will). Due to our loss today, the chances of getting out of that second round are quite low. We basically need some things to go our way and for the tie-breakers to kick in.

So, we're not totally out but our chances of advancing to the quarter-finals received a major blow.

[KqWIN]

'Our superstars are not playing' excuses just started. I thought every NBA player was supposed to be at least 5x better than those FIBA scrubs and will be dominating with easy.

Giannis - 13p/4r in 28 mins
Team USA almost lost to an average team

Are there still questions about NBA stats being inflated, FIBA tournaments are tougher ?

I mean...stars sitting out is a valid point. There's no doubt that this USA team isn't as talented as it's been in the past due to the withdrawals. The last FIBA WC had less withdrawals, and the USA dominated every game. I don't see what point you're trying to make here. It's quite obvious that a less talented team would struggle more.

[UcanUwill]

[Nuntius]

Actually Illyasova usually suck at FIBA's competitions .

It really depends. Turkey is a very feast or famine team. They can compete with the best but they can also flame out in a spectacular fashion. They finished 2nd in the 2010 WC, only to finish 11th in the 2011 EuroBasket and then 17th in the 2013 EuroBasket. In that 2013 EuroBasket, they finished 1-4 in their group. They lost to Italy, Greece, Finland and Russia and they only managed to beat Sweden. They weren't much better in the 2015 and 2017 EuroBasket tournaments either. They finished 14th in both instances. But in the 2014 WC that preceded these two tournaments? They had a pretty decent showing and finished 8th. Basically, Turkey has sucked in EuroBasket competitions for about a decade but they do quite well in World Cups. It's really weird.

Maybe it's because competition in Eurobasket is stronger

It's possible. That said, I do believe that Turkey is more likely to have a great game against a really strong team like the US than they are to have that kind of game against a mid-level European team like Finland, Poland or Latvia. I think that motivation (or lack of it at times) is one of the reasons why this is happening.

[Dacost]

I agree with some the post about the U.S we need guys who actually play top defense like Jonathan Issac or JJJ ..

Turner is alright but Lopez and plumble are not good enough to protect the paint 24/7 Turner has basically do all the work.

[Catchall]

You know, Kemba has been getting scored on a lot. He doesn't handle screens well and gives shooters plenty of space.

[Catchall]

'Our superstars are not playing' excuses just started. I thought every NBA player was supposed to be at least 5x better than those FIBA scrubs and will be dominating with easy.

Giannis - 13p/4r in 28 mins
Team USA almost lost to an average team

Are there still questions about NBA stats being inflated, FIBA tournaments are tougher ?

I mean...stars sitting out is a valid point. There's no doubt that this USA team isn't as talented as it's been in the past due to the withdrawals. The last FIBA WC had less withdrawals, and the USA dominated every game. I don't see what point you're trying to make here. It's quite obvious that a less talented team would struggle more.

I think the problem with USA is on defense. They have a bunch of guys who don't take guarding seriously. Kemba, Middleton, Harris, Barnes -- these guys give up open looks.

[Magic Giannison]

Lmao why people keep spamming this picture of Bruno fouling Giannis? Because exactly what happen in that moment

[KqWIN]

I think the problem with USA is on defense. They have a bunch of guys who don't take guarding seriously. Kemba, Middleton, Harris, Barnes -- these guys give up open looks.

I would say the bigger problem is a general lack of BBIQ and not understanding how to play a role. I think most guys played pretty hard on defense. It was a defensive game. There's just not a lot of ball movers, and the players need to realize that how they play with their teams is not how they can help this team win the most.

Personnel wise, the lack of good rim running C is what sticks out to me the most. Five out has provided negative spacing by congesting the free throw line area and putting no pressure on the rim.

[Zombiesonics]

Popovich was severely out coached, the turkey coach has to be one of the best in the tourney. His team executed that junk zone perfectly and also ran cogent offense. Something small towards the end like tricking popovich into bringing turner back onto the floor was really jarring...