FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 | SPAIN are new WORLD CHAMPIONS

[Pipp33]

It's no lack of respect. Every European fan that knows the game, respects Australia's basketball, even their league. The thing that is true, that Europeans say, is Australia has a ridiculous built in advantage, especially versus European teams. If Australia was in Europe's qualifying system, they wouldn't even have made it to several of those tournaments.

It's just that Australia has a ridiculous level advantage, and that's annoying especially to European teams, because of how incredibly hard it is to qualify for these tournaments through Europe. It's nothing at all about a lack of respect for the Australian NT, or its level.

Also, once you get to the actual Olympics....this seems the same viewpoint from Australians as Americans - that Olympics is the superior basketball competition for international play of national teams. That's just completely wrong though. EuroBasket is the best level, then World Cup, and then the Olympics. It's the 3rd tournament in terms of the level of competition.

So judging Australia's level on them always being guaranteed to qualify, because of their incredibly easy road to the Olympics, and then judging just by play at the 3rd level competition - well, that is not very accurate at all. So no lack of respect from European fans, just more fairness and objectivity being applied to Australia's real situation.

The real situation is Australia just beat Lithuania.

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Yea what the Euro says is fair enough.
We compete in Asia to make the competitions or against NZ.

While a team like Slovenia can win Euro2017 then not qualify for World Cup 2019 because European competition is so tough and close.

I agree that we have an easier entry into the World Cup and Olympics than the Euros, BUT we also only play our local league players in those qualifying tournaments and win comfortably. If we played our best team, we would certainly make it against most of the Euro teams, as seen by beating Lithuania last night

[Hroz]

The real situation is Australia just beat Lithuania.

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Yea what the Euro says is fair enough.
We compete in Asia to make the competitions or against NZ.

While a team like Slovenia can win Euro2017 then not qualify for World Cup 2019 because European competition is so tough and close.

I agree that we have an easier entry into the World Cup and Olympics than the Euros, BUT we also only play our local league players in those qualifying tournaments and win comfortably. If we played our best team, we would certainly make it against most of the Euro teams, as seen by beating Lithuania last night

No team gets their NBA players for qualifying though. Otherwise Embiid would've led Cameroon to the World Cup. Doncic & Dragic would've led Slovenia.

And the argument wasn't this time they wouldn't have made it. They probably would have. Just once every 4-8 World Cups or Olympics Australia wouldn't make it.

For example the Olympics coming up only the top 2 European teams qualify, straight away.

[papfankon]

Giannis got a lot of NBA calls this game....

Yeah, he played a really good game. But the reffing was agenda based clearly. They called every single touch foul on him against New Zealand. It was pure NBA reffing - - it was pretty clear the refs made sure the NBA MVP didn't get eliminated in the first round.

Giannis played very well in the game though, but I am not sure Greece would have won the game, if they called regular FIBA style instead of giving Giannis every touch foul call like in the NBA. On the other side, Greece was very physical with New Zealand and they didn't get many calls at all.

FIBA really needs to stop doing stuff like this. It taints the game. Giannis was playing well from the start of the game, the refs didn't need to help him like that.

If the refs give Giannis all those ticky tack touch fouls against USA...........USA Basketball federation and US sports media are going to go nuts.

You were watching some other basketball game.All i watched was rugby players playing uncontrollably and whining like little bitches after they got called on their ****.

[mcmurphy]

1) Serbia
2) USA
3) Australia
4) Italy

My prevision at 08 august...
I confirm it.

[Alatan]

sorry they just got crushed by delly in that game fair and square, it was just the 2nd game and you are coming up with revisionist theories to increase the reputation of Serbia, my guess is you are Serbian

your incredible calculation plan to get 4th instead of fight for 2nd could have produced you with a spain match an another spanking from them, not a good plan

Sorry but you just got crushed in the game that actually mattered and lost an Olympic medal.

i have a feeling australia calculated that they didnt want to get embarrassed by usa in the final which is watched by everyone so they lost and invited serbia to get embarrassed instead, thats the story im going with

Australia doesn't care about the medals as much as Serbia, we average over 40 each Olympics this century so its ok, but Serbia need to get their medals anytime they can, they've got like 15 total

Last time i checked you have exactly 0 Olympic Basketball medals. Thats fine you still have your distance spitting medals or whatever else.

[TheNG]

Comparison between Spain's EuroBasket 2011 roster and current Serbian roster:
Bogdanovic - Navarro
Jokic - P.Gasol
Bjelica - Fernandez
Marjanovic - M.Gasol
Milutinov - Ibaka
Raduljica - Reyes
Jovic - Calderon
Micic - Llull
Guduric - Rubio
Lucic - San Emeterio
Bircevic - Claver
Simonovic - Sada

On paper, I feel more comfortable betting on the Spanish team, and even though you can argue for the Serbian team for some of the matchups, the Spanish team just has more "depth" in my opinion. The Serbs have 5 or 6 players I can really trust, but the Spanish team have 8 or 9 guys I can really trust.
Of course in the end it comes down to chemistry and how the team plays together, so it's only theory...
BTW, I'm neither team fan.

[rale93lfc]

Comparison between Spain's EuroBasket 2011 roster and current Serbian roster:
Bogdanovic - Navarro
Jokic - P.Gasol
Bjelica - Fernandez
Marjanovic - M.Gasol
Milutinov - Ibaka
Raduljica - Reyes
Jovic - Calderon
Micic - Llull
Guduric - Rubio
Lucic - San Emeterio
Bircevic - Claver
Simonovic - Sada

On paper, I feel more comfortable betting on the Spanish team, and even though you can argue for the Serbian team for some of the matchups, the Spanish team just has more "depth" in my opinion. The Serbs have 5 or 6 players I can really trust, but the Spanish team have 8 or 9 guys I can really trust.
Of course in the end it comes down to chemistry and how the team plays together, so it's only theory...
BTW, I'm neither team fan.

If you add Teodosic,Kalinic,Milosavljevic and maybe Nedovic, it becomes even closer matchup. Too bad Teodosic and Milosavljevic got hurt.

[The Rodzilla]

To be honest, calculating is common thing in this kind of competitions. Revisioning or not, beating Australia by almost 30 in elimination game should say something

delly just had an off game, its difficult being delly all the time so sometimes it doesn't happen

like im sure serbia looks at the final and doesnt count it as the real situation, they think the group game was a better demonstration of what serbia can do, btw does that theory also include trying to lose against usa in the group stage because they almost won and improved themselves to 3rd place

whatever the case we might have another example of serbia vs australia basketball at this tournament, im looking forward to it

we beat france and lithuania by over 20, led large parts against usa and the referee decided the spain match, I guarantee that form is good enough to beat Serbia

the disrespect shown to the australia and delly in this thread claiming the match wasnt real is unacceptable and there should be an apology within 24 hours

btw if its true and serbia were tanking that match then they are cowards and have low self belief because all they had to do after beating australia was beat france who got destroyed by australia, so not only are they scared of usa but they are scared of france

[The Rodzilla]

Sorry but you just got crushed in the game that actually mattered and lost an Olympic medal.

i have a feeling australia calculated that they didnt want to get embarrassed by usa in the final which is watched by everyone so they lost and invited serbia to get embarrassed instead, thats the story im going with

Australia doesn't care about the medals as much as Serbia, we average over 40 each Olympics this century so its ok, but Serbia need to get their medals anytime they can, they've got like 15 total

Last time i checked you have exactly 0 Olympic Basketball medals. Thats fine you still have your distance spitting medals or whatever else.

actually we have 5 olympic basketball medals

[TheNG]

Comparison between Spain's EuroBasket 2011 roster and current Serbian roster:
Bogdanovic - Navarro
Jokic - P.Gasol
Bjelica - Fernandez
Marjanovic - M.Gasol
Milutinov - Ibaka
Raduljica - Reyes
Jovic - Calderon
Micic - Llull
Guduric - Rubio
Lucic - San Emeterio
Bircevic - Claver
Simonovic - Sada

On paper, I feel more comfortable betting on the Spanish team, and even though you can argue for the Serbian team for some of the matchups, the Spanish team just has more "depth" in my opinion. The Serbs have 5 or 6 players I can really trust, but the Spanish team have 8 or 9 guys I can really trust.
Of course in the end it comes down to chemistry and how the team plays together, so it's only theory...
BTW, I'm neither team fan.

If you add Teodosic,Kalinic,Milosavljevic and maybe Nedovic, it becomes even closer matchup. Too bad Teodosic and Milosavljevic got hurt.

Sure, Teodosic is a big addition, and together with Nedovic and Kalinic there will be 3 more guys I can trust, so it will be be pretty even... On the other maybe Spain could have added Lopez and Mirotic...

[rale93lfc]

we beat france and lithuania by over 20, led large parts against usa and the referee decided the spain match, I guarantee that form is good enough to beat Serbia

the disrespect shown to the australia and delly in this thread claiming the match wasnt real is unacceptable and there should be an apology within 24 hours

btw if its true and serbia were tanking that match then they are cowards and have low self belief because all they had to do after beating australia was beat france who got destroyed by australia, so not only are they scared of usa but they are scared of france

Nobody saying you got no chance, I even cheered for Australia in rest of matches but cause you are trolling here Im gonna stop now. Fact is, we beat you every time when match was important. Maybe you got chance now, but I doubt it.

[AK47MVP]

Lets agree on one thing. Australia is really good. Same as Serbia, Lithuania, Spain, Argentina, France, Greece and USA. Any of these can beat any of the other in single elimination game. It makes really good World Cup for us fans with no clear favorite. Although just based on group stage I would say Serbia and Australia are looking the best so far.

[TheNG]

I think there's a lot of miscommunication here.
I think I represent a lot of "Europeans" and I can say we really like the Australian team. They feel "European" for us in the sense that they really play together as a team, they fight hard and just try to do what it takes to win, and not play ISO ball like you know which team... We really value how the Australians play basketball. And you know, Ingles and Baynes are also very familiar with EuroLeague basketball and have many fans from back then, and Delly got his biggest chance form another "Euro" coach - David Blatt.
I think we don't need to fight between us about which team is better. As long as good non-ISO team will win this tournament, I'll be happy

[Bob8]

Comparison between Spain's EuroBasket 2011 roster and current Serbian roster:
Bogdanovic - Navarro
Jokic - P.Gasol
Bjelica - Fernandez
Marjanovic - M.Gasol
Milutinov - Ibaka
Raduljica - Reyes
Jovic - Calderon
Micic - Llull
Guduric - Rubio
Lucic - San Emeterio
Bircevic - Claver
Simonovic - Sada

On paper, I feel more comfortable betting on the Spanish team, and even though you can argue for the Serbian team for some of the matchups, the Spanish team just has more "depth" in my opinion. The Serbs have 5 or 6 players I can really trust, but the Spanish team have 8 or 9 guys I can really trust.
Of course in the end it comes down to chemistry and how the team plays together, so it's only theory...
BTW, I'm neither team fan.

If you add Teodosic,Kalinic,Milosavljevic and maybe Nedovic, it becomes even closer matchup. Too bad Teodosic and Milosavljevic got hurt.

Teo not playing after 2 seasons in Nba is not necessarily bad thing for Serbia. He’s far from his best form and is black hole in D. And before you attack me, he was one of my favorite players few years back.

[Bob8]

I think there's a lot of miscommunication here.
I think I represent a lot of "Europeans" and I can say we really like the Australian team. They feel "European" for us in the sense that they really play together as a team, they fight hard and just try to do what it takes to win, and not play ISO ball like you know which team... We really value how the Australians play basketball. And you know, Ingles and Baynes are also very familiar with EuroLeague basketball and have many fans from back then, and Delly got his biggest chance form another "Euro" coach - David Blatt.
I think we don't need to fight between us about which team is better. As long as good non-ISO team will win this tournament, I'll be happy

I agree with you, except Ingles having many fans from his EuroLeague days. He was a very modest role player in Europe.

[Sphynx]

I think there's a lot of miscommunication here.
I think I represent a lot of "Europeans" and I can say we really like the Australian team. They feel "European" for us in the sense that they really play together as a team, they fight hard and just try to do what it takes to win, and not play ISO ball like you know which team... We really value how the Australians play basketball. And you know, Ingles and Baynes are also very familiar with EuroLeague basketball and have many fans from back then, and Delly got his biggest chance form another "Euro" coach - David Blatt.
I think we don't need to fight between us about which team is better. As long as good non-ISO team will win this tournament, I'll be happy

I don’t think most Australians fans in here care tbh.

Along with Canada, Australia easily has the best number of U25 prospects in the world other than the USA. McDowell-White is another that just signed with Houston last night. As stated earlier Josh Green is a top 10 pick in 2020 as well to add to it.

The proof will be in the pudding as they say at the Olympics...


It’s very likely Australia hits the Olympics with an entire roster of NBA listed players.

Simmons, Ingles, Mills, Bolden, Exum, Delly, Maker, Baynes, Broekhoff, Green, White, Humphries, Adel, Bogut.

Goulding or Landale might be the only non NBA player to make the roster.


Australia’s historical strength is pretty irrelevant as this is currently the strongest Australian side of all time when all playing.

Can you imagine if Kyrie wasn’t as good as early into his NBA career as he was? he was very close to taking up Aus’ offer at the last Olympics as it was.

[The Rodzilla]

we beat france and lithuania by over 20, led large parts against usa and the referee decided the spain match, I guarantee that form is good enough to beat Serbia

the disrespect shown to the australia and delly in this thread claiming the match wasnt real is unacceptable and there should be an apology within 24 hours

btw if its true and serbia were tanking that match then they are cowards and have low self belief because all they had to do after beating australia was beat france who got destroyed by australia, so not only are they scared of usa but they are scared of france

Nobody saying you got no chance, I even cheered for Australia in rest of matches but cause you are trolling here Im gonna stop now. Fact is, we beat you every time when match was important. Maybe you got chance now, but I doubt it.

no the trolling came from my opponents who wanted to be petty and discredit the things that happened because they apparently cant handle losing games

delly sliced up the serbian team in that game with 23pts and 13 assists, he pretty much singlehandely won that game

so its simple mathematics -i love delly> that could be his best game> i love that game> people comment that the game wasnt real> i hate that comment > i fight against that comment and win the argument > resentment towards me for winning

[Bob8]

I think there's a lot of miscommunication here.
I think I represent a lot of "Europeans" and I can say we really like the Australian team. They feel "European" for us in the sense that they really play together as a team, they fight hard and just try to do what it takes to win, and not play ISO ball like you know which team... We really value how the Australians play basketball. And you know, Ingles and Baynes are also very familiar with EuroLeague basketball and have many fans from back then, and Delly got his biggest chance form another "Euro" coach - David Blatt.
I think we don't need to fight between us about which team is better. As long as good non-ISO team will win this tournament, I'll be happy

I don’t think most Australians fans in here care tbh.

Along with Canada, Australia easily has the best number of U25 prospects in the world other than the USA. McDowell-White is another that just signed with Houston last night. As stated earlier Josh Green is a top 10 pick in 2020 as well to add to it.

The proof will be in the pudding as they say at the Olympics...


It’s very likely Australia hits the Olympics with an entire roster of NBA listed players.

Simmons, Ingles, Mills, Bolden, Exum, Delly, Maker, Baynes, Broekhoff, Green, White, Humphries, Adel, Bogut.

Goulding or Landale might be the only non NBA player to make the roster.


Australia’s historical strength is pretty irrelevant as this is currently the strongest Australian side of all time when all playing.

Can you imagine if Kyrie wasn’t as good as early into his NBA career as he was? he was very close to taking up Aus’ offer at the last Olympics as it was.

When we’re comparing those nations, we should at least check population.

USA 325 mio, Australia 25 mio, Serbia 7 mio, Lithuania 2.8 mio, Slovenia 2 mio.

I would say it’s obvious that nobody will come close to USA, ever and that Serbia is doing miracles in basketball. Australia firstly should win some medals and then we could talk how great they’re.

[Mirotic12]

I don’t think most Australians fans in here care tbh.

Along with Canada, Australia easily has the best number of U25 prospects in the world other than the USA. McDowell-White is another that just signed with Houston last night. As stated earlier Josh Green is a top 10 pick in 2020 as well to add to it.

The proof will be in the pudding as they say at the Olympics...


It’s very likely Australia hits the Olympics with an entire roster of NBA listed players.

Simmons, Ingles, Mills, Bolden, Exum, Delly, Maker, Baynes, Broekhoff, Green, White, Humphries, Adel, Bogut.

Goulding or Landale might be the only non NBA player to make the roster.


Australia’s historical strength is pretty irrelevant as this is currently the strongest Australian side of all time when all playing.

Can you imagine if Kyrie wasn’t as good as early into his NBA career as he was? he was very close to taking up Aus’ offer at the last Olympics as it was.

Do you actually think players at that level would even make a EuroLeague roster? You can't seriously be counting players of that level as prospects / talents? Because no such players would be considered that anywhere in Europe.

[THE J0KER]

Comparing the Spanish golden generation at their peak, and current Serbian is still clearly in Spanish favor, but only individually. If we look at 6 best Spanish players back in time, Gasol Brothers, Ibaka, Navarro, Calderon, and Rubio, there is 3 centers and 3 point guards. Current 6 best Serbian players are PG Teodosic, SG Bogdanovic, SF Kalinic, PF Bjelica, and centers Jokic and Marjanovic.

Also, individual qualities are not enough for comparing two teams. In that 2011 EURO Joakim Noah the only time played for France, and he comes there as double-double starting center of the team with the best record in NBA (Bulls'11), and Parker was big NBA star, while Batum and Diaw are established and respected NBA starters. But Spain not once, but twice, routinely beat that France superteam, better balanced per positions than Spaniards. So they obviously have some chemistry issues.