FIBA World Cup

[Fencer reregistered]

always steps up his scoring in playoffs every year.

That claim is not easy to justify by the numbers, although if you tortured them enough you could probably get them to say what you wanted them to.

[Parliament10]

If Jaylen Brown was given minutes and touches he could average 20+ ppg with good efficiency.

He's a strong defender and always steps up his scoring in playoffs every year.

Those who want to trade Brown are simply wrong.

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Brown's a good player, no doubt.
I think that he sticks with the Celtics for awhile, unless some fantastic Star materializes in Trade.

[Parliament10]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/team-usa-basketball-schedule-how-to-watch-2019-fiba-world-cup-group-stage-games-start-times-results-tv-channel/

Team USA is in Group K for the second round of the tournament alongside Brazil, Greece and the Czech Republic. They will play Greece and Brazil in this round, but not the Czech Republic as they have already faced off. The top two teams in the round will advance to the quarter-finals.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-09-03/team-usa-basketball-2019-fiba-world-cup-roster-schedule-tv

2019 FIBA World Cup: Team USA schedule, TV times

Team USA scheduled five exhibition games before traveling to Shanghai, China to participate in the FIBA World Cup. Here is the full exhibition schedule and results:

Aug. 9: USA Blue 97, USA White 78 (Las Vegas, Nev.) | Box score | Highlights
Aug. 16: USA 90, Spain 81 (Anaheim, Calif.) | Box score | Highlights
Aug. 22: USA 102, Australia 86 (Melbourne, Australia) | Box score | Highlights
Aug. 24: Australia 98, USA 94 (Melbourne, Australia) | Box score | Highlights
Aug. 26: USA 84, Canada 68 (Sydney, Australia) | Box score | Highlights

Team USA got started in FIBA World Cup Group E play on Sunday, Sept. 1 against Czech Republic. Here are the team's tournament results for the first group stage:

Sept. 1: USA 88, Czech Republic 67 (Shanghai, China) | Box score | Highlights
Sept. 3: USA 93, Turkey 92 (OT) (Shanghai, China) | Box Score | Highlights
Sept. 5: USA 98, Japan 45 (Shanghai, China) | Box Score | Highlights

After starting play 3-0, Team USA moves on to the second round, in Group K. Here are the team's schedule and results for the second round:

Sept. 7: USA vs. Greece | 8:30 a.m. ET, ESPN+
Sept. 9: USA vs. Brazil | 8:30 a.m. ET, ESPN+

The dates for all subsequent rounds are as follows:

Sept. 10-11: Quarterfinals (Dongguan and Shanghai, China)
Sept. 13: Semifinals (Beijing, China)
Sept. 15: Finals (Beijing, China)

[SmartWentCrazy]

Lots of crappy JB haters on this board

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I think the thing that gets lost in all the JB discussion on this board is that he’s just ‘easy’ scorer— he has the ability to put up a lot of points in bunches which is why he has multiple 30 point games. Its hard to really quantify what this means, but it feels like it should mean something.

Conversely, the only thing that worries me about Tatum [I’m as high as anyone on him, dont get it twisted— he’ll be an all-star next year] is that he’s not an easy scorer— it always seems like he has to labor hard to get his points which is why he has only 1 career game above 30 points. Its also hard to really quantify what this means, but it feels like its not nothing.

[LuckyLeprechaun]

I know a lot of Celtic fans don’t want to here this, but Murray is so much better than Brown. The gap isn’t close. Murray and Joker were carrying the Nuggets in the playoffs.

I feel Brown has 8-12 weeks to show Ainge something for them to pay him around $20 million a year. If he continues to be the same player, Ainge should look to trade him if he can at the deadline.

Murray averaged 17 pts on .420 from the field as 2nd option on the Nuggets. He's a better passer and ball handler than Brown. Doesn't do anything else better than Brown- shoot, defend, rebound(even the 3s and Murray was known to be a shooter).

Murray is also better at creating his own shot, creating for his teammates, the better FT shooter, better court awareness, higher BBIQ, and more poised/clutch in closing minutes of games, better at P&R.

They aren’t close.

This attitude is what's wrong with BBall people today. Players spend half the game on defense, yet being better on defense is regarded dismissively like this for anyone who isn't a big.

[zoyathedestroya]

Anybody here from Tokyo? Please confirm if these billboards really are being put up there...

Spoiler:

[return2glory]

Murray averaged 17 pts on .420 from the field as 2nd option on the Nuggets. He's a better passer and ball handler than Brown. Doesn't do anything else better than Brown- shoot, defend, rebound(even the 3s and Murray was known to be a shooter).

Murray is also better at creating his own shot, creating for his teammates, the better FT shooter, better court awareness, higher BBIQ, and more poised/clutch in closing minutes of games, better at P&R.

They aren’t close.

This attitude is what's wrong with BBall people today. Players spend half the game on defense, yet being better on defense is regarded dismissively like this for anyone who isn't a big.

Defense is one aspect of the game, not 50% of it. There is shooting, rebounding, defense, passing, creating offense for yourself and teammates, ball handling, court awareness, being clutch, making teammates better, ability to draw fouls, run P&R, then there are intangibles like having a positive attitude, playing with effort, being a good teammate, studying film, etc

[Curmudgeon]

LOL, defense is at least 50% of winning at basketball. If you don't want to win, it can be zero percent.

[Fencer reregistered]

Lots of crappy JB haters on this board

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I think the thing that gets lost in all the JB discussion on this board is that he’s just ‘easy’ scorer— he has the ability to put up a lot of points in bunches which is why he has multiple 30 point games. Its hard to really quantify what this means, but it feels like it should mean something.

Conversely, the only thing that worries me about Tatum [I’m as high as anyone on him, dont get it twisted— he’ll be an all-star next year] is that he’s not an easy scorer— it always seems like he has to labor hard to get his points which is why he has only 1 career game above 30 points. Its also hard to really quantify what this means, but it feels like its not nothing.

My first pass is that Brown's scoring is generally opportunistic, whereas Tatum also tries to create scoring from scratch ... and to date hasn't actually been very successful at that.

In connection with that, they've been closer in role and value so far than one might have expected. Tatum has been surprisingly weak at creative scoring and surprisingly strong at defense. (Tatum's length has been a good substitute on defense for Brown's other physical gifts.) Neither has been as good at rebounding as one would hope.

However, Tatum has a passing/distribution edge at the moment.

[sam_I_am]

Lots of crappy JB haters on this board

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I think the thing that gets lost in all the JB discussion on this board is that he’s just ‘easy’ scorer— he has the ability to put up a lot of points in bunches which is why he has multiple 30 point games. Its hard to really quantify what this means, but it feels like it should mean something.

Conversely, the only thing that worries me about Tatum [I’m as high as anyone on him, dont get it twisted— he’ll be an all-star next year] is that he’s not an easy scorer— it always seems like he has to labor hard to get his points which is why he has only 1 career game above 30 points. Its also hard to really quantify what this means, but it feels like its not nothing.

My first pass is that Brown's scoring is generally opportunistic, whereas Tatum also tries to create scoring from scratch ... and to date hasn't actually been very successful at that.

In connection with that, they've been closer in role and value so far than one might have expected. Tatum has been surprisingly weak at creative scoring and surprisingly strong at defense. (Tatum's length has been a good substitute on defense for Brown's other physical gifts.) Neither has been as good at rebounding as one would hope.

However, Tatum has a passing/distribution edge at the moment.

When Tatum is on the floor he is a “must guard” player. When he was the guy defense ignored as a rookie he was shooting at a record rate from 3 pt territory. I really think you underestimate how good he actually is. No disrespect to Brown but as offensive players, Tatum is on a whole different level. Your analysis is more appropriate when comparing to players like Durant (the gold standard) or even lower tier stars like Pierce was or a Klay Thompson.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Hate comparing, specially because Murray is a PG, but will anyways. At the top of their games when it mattered most.

Murray 2019 playoffs age 21: 36mpg, 21PPG, 18FGA, 42%FG, 46%2pt, 34%3Pt, 4FTA, 90%Ft, 4.4RPG, 5Ast, 1STL, 1.6 TO,

Jaylen 2018 playoffs age 21: 32mpg, 18PPG, 15FGA, 46%FG, 51%2pt, 39%3Pt, 3FTA, 67%Ft, 5RPG, 1.4Ast, 0.8STL, 1.3 TO,


Went with the playoffs numbers because that's where bith guys had a chance to shine at the top of their games with a team clicking. Would be unfair to compare a full season since Boston was an absolute mess from top to bottom. I won't say Murray is not better, but it's really closer than many will think. Jaylen is easily the better 1-4 defender also. People sleeping on what Jaylen Brown can look like at his best because last year was such a tough year and a lot of it fell on him.. His playoff numbers were hurt that year by the injury in game 7 against the Bucks but up until free throws, he was better than Murray across the board. Dude was limited in about 2 or 3 games against Philly and that dropped his scoring numbers down but they are still right there on better efficiency. Jayson Tatum was great in game 7 and that's the one people will remember, but Jaylen was better than that in game 6. Dude can ball. Was the only Celtic with a respectable performance in that Bucks series last year also. Jaylen has his faults, but he is a baller.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Boban!

Unbeatable. Serbia started him. Very entertaining.


The Greek Fork, one of his brothers, an elderly 7-footer and Nick from Florida. It will probably be a close game. If it comes down to free throw shooting, Team USA should win.

[Kalela]

If Jaylen Brown was given minutes and touches he could average 20+ ppg with good efficiency.

He's a strong defender and always steps up his scoring in playoffs every year.

Those who want to trade Brown are simply wrong. He's only 22 yo.

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I agree.

[Slartibartfast]

Greece will be a fun challenge. Size and strength vs. our speed and shooting. Similar to the challenge posed by Australia.

They have a hard time giving Giannis NBA-style spacing, so he might not dominate offensively, but I think they will be difficult to score on in the paint. I think the game will come down to the Kemba/Calathes match-up. Which of those two will do more damage.

[LuckyLeprechaun]

Defense is one aspect of the game, not 50% of it. There is shooting, rebounding, defense, passing, creating offense for yourself and teammates, ball handling, court awareness, being clutch, making teammates better, ability to draw fouls, run P&R, then there are intangibles like having a positive attitude, playing with effort, being a good teammate, studying film, etc

Shooting, offensive rebounding, passing, creating offense, ball handling etc are all aspects of the 50% of the game that is offense, whereas defensive rebounding, steals, blocks, disrupting shots etc are all aspects of the 50% of the game that is defense. Players offensive and defensive ratings are aggregations of all these aspects you list. Offense and defense are not separate aspects from everything else, they are categories under which everything else falls.

[Parliament10]

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[return2glory]

Defense is one aspect of the game, not 50% of it. There is shooting, rebounding, defense, passing, creating offense for yourself and teammates, ball handling, court awareness, being clutch, making teammates better, ability to draw fouls, run P&R, then there are intangibles like having a positive attitude, playing with effort, being a good teammate, studying film, etc

Shooting, offensive rebounding, passing, creating offense, ball handling etc are all aspects of the 50% of the game that is offense, whereas defensive rebounding, steals, blocks, disrupting shots etc are all aspects of the 50% of the game that is defense. Players offensive and defensive ratings are aggregations of all these aspects you list. Offense and defense are not separate aspects from everything else, they are categories under which everything else falls.

It’s not that simple. It’s not offense vs defense. It’s all the things I mentioned and more. Scouts don’t look at players and rate the overall player on offense vs defense and weigh it 50/50. They look at most of the things I mentioned as a whole.

If you want to make it simple, watch the Nuggets play more than once or twice and than tell me Brown is better than Murray. When Murray is helping his team, carrying them for parts of the game and shining like he did in the playoffs, then watch Brown.

Murray can and does help his team win in so many more ways that Brown does.

With your logic of offense being 50% of the game and defense being the other 50%, than a defensive specialist who can’t rebound, pass, shoot, score in different ways, isn’t a good teammate nor leader would be equal to a player who is a leader, good teammate, a good rebounder, great passer, good ball handler, can create shots for himself and his teammates, and makes big shots in big moments but is an inferior defender.

That’s like saying Bobby Jones was equal to Larry Bird as a player because Jones was a better defender and Bird was a better offensive player, therefore they are equal because defense is 50% of the game.

[Big Joke Line]

If Jaylen Brown was given minutes and touches he could average 20+ ppg with good efficiency.

He's a strong defender and always steps up his scoring in playoffs every year.

Those who want to trade Brown are simply wrong. He's only 22 yo.

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I get that we all have different opinions but the blind hatred is confusing to me. Case in point Kyler Murray carried his team all the way to the 2nd round of the playoffs along with Jokic therefore JB is a scrub compared to him. As if JB didn’t help lead his team to one game away from the NBA Finals the season before as a 21 y/o.

[Feed Your Head]

If Jaylen Brown was given minutes and touches he could average 20+ ppg with good efficiency.

He's a strong defender and always steps up his scoring in playoffs every year.

Those who want to trade Brown are simply wrong. He's only 22 yo.

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I get that we all have different opinions but the blind hatred is confusing to me. Case in point KylerMurray carried his team all the way to the 2nd round of the playoffs along with Jokic therefore JB is a scrub compared to him. As if JB didn’t help lead his team to one game away from the NBA Finals the season before as a 21 y/o.

Damn, a three sport star now? What a talent!

[Big Joke Line]

Defense is one aspect of the game, not 50% of it. There is shooting, rebounding, defense, passing, creating offense for yourself and teammates, ball handling, court awareness, being clutch, making teammates better, ability to draw fouls, run P&R, then there are intangibles like having a positive attitude, playing with effort, being a good teammate, studying film, etc

Shooting, offensive rebounding, passing, creating offense, ball handling etc are all aspects of the 50% of the game that is offense, whereas defensive rebounding, steals, blocks, disrupting shots etc are all aspects of the 50% of the game that is defense. Players offensive and defensive ratings are aggregations of all these aspects you list. Offense and defense are not separate aspects from everything else, they are categories under which everything else falls.

It’s not that simple. It’s not offense vs defense. It’s all the things I mentioned and more. Scouts don’t look at players and rate the overall player on offense vs defense and weigh it 50/50. They look at most of the things I mentioned as a whole.

If you want to make it simple, watch the Nuggets play more than once or twice and than tell me Brown is better than Murray. When Murray is helping his team, carrying them for parts of the game and shining like he did in the playoffs, then watch Brown.

Murray can and does help his team win in so many more ways that Brown does.

With your logic of offense being 50% of the game and defense being the other 50%, than a defensive specialist who can’t rebound, pass, shoot, score in different ways, isn’t a good teammate nor leader would be equal to a player who is a leader, good teammate, a good rebounder, great passer, good ball handler, can create shots for himself and his teammates, and makes big shots in big moments but is an inferior defender.

That’s like saying Bobby Jones was equal to Larry Bird as a player because Jones was a better defender and Bird was a better offensive player, therefore they are equal because defense is 50% of the game.

This logic is faulty because Bird was a top 1% all time on offense and Bobby Jones was nowhere near a top 1% all time on D.